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[Madeline McQueen]

I don't know what it is but I love Alister's character and Anders. I think there's a Patton here. I like the wounded kind lol!

[Mello]

heh.... Alitair

[AresKeith]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

heh.... Alitair

There is no Alitair only Zuul

[FINE HERE]

Fiacre wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Personally I'm confused as to who Alitair is.

The assassin who killed Al-Mualim.

Either that or she misspelled Alistair.

No, that's Altaïr.

And inbred chimps... This pretty much proves that David Gaider has the best lines

And now I want a mod that makes Alistair look like Altair...

[TheButterflyEffect]

David Gaider wrote...

The events of the Dragon Age novels and comics are "part of Dragon Age canon", meaning they contribute to the overall lore. They do not, however, override your game choices. Those events hay have happened very differently in your particular game continuuity... meaning that, if Alistair was dead, then the events of the Silent Grove simply never occurred. If Alistair isnn't king, the Silent Grove could have still happened... but would have occurred somewhat differently.

Does this mean the comics and novels could be referenced in your game? Possibly, but only if the context is correct... and, even then, we'd need to introduce characters and events on the assumption that you've never read the material. The Architect was introduced in Awakening assuming that the player never read the Calling, and needed to work as a new character. If you read the Calling, then great-- you would have more insight into the game. It's not designed to do more than that.

If someone really wants to assert that ancillary media cannot exist if it contradicts their personal playthrough in any fashion, then so be it. You're not required to read it. You can play Dragon Age without ever picking up the novels or comics or whatever else. It will, however, still exist. If the knowledge that there is story material out there which explores aspects of the story you didn't choose in your game (all of which are equally valid) bothers you, then you'll simply have to take a breath and either pick it up or live with it.

And please stop with the crude language. You can dislike Alistair or Anora just fine without coming across as an inbred chimp. They are characters with very human flaws, and one can imagine many reasons to dislike them both... but your many feels do not make the rules of these forums irrelevant. Thanks.

Thanks for clarifying.

Though, it's still retarded that he's acting like he wants something, that he apparently DIDN"T want so much that he kicked his "beloved" to the curb over it.

That was retarded. Anders is great because he doesn't trash a perfectly good relationship over something so completely and totally stupid.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:54 .

[Harle Cerulean]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The events of the Dragon Age novels and comics are "part of Dragon Age canon", meaning they contribute to the overall lore. They do not, however, override your game choices. Those events hay have happened very differently in your particular game continuuity... meaning that, if Alistair was dead, then the events of the Silent Grove simply never occurred. If Alistair isnn't king, the Silent Grove could have still happened... but would have occurred somewhat differently.

Does this mean the comics and novels could be referenced in your game? Possibly, but only if the context is correct... and, even then, we'd need to introduce characters and events on the assumption that you've never read the material. The Architect was introduced in Awakening assuming that the player never read the Calling, and needed to work as a new character. If you read the Calling, then great-- you would have more insight into the game. It's not designed to do more than that.

If someone really wants to assert that ancillary media cannot exist if it contradicts their personal playthrough in any fashion, then so be it. You're not required to read it. You can play Dragon Age without ever picking up the novels or comics or whatever else. It will, however, still exist. If the knowledge that there is story material out there which explores aspects of the story you didn't choose in your game (all of which are equally valid) bothers you, then you'll simply have to take a breath and either pick it up or live with it.

And please stop with the crude language. You can dislike Alistair or Anora just fine without coming across as an inbred chimp. They are characters with very human flaws, and one can imagine many reasons to dislike them both... but your many feels do not make the rules of these forums irrelevant. Thanks.

Thanks for clarifying.

Though, it's still retarded that he's acting like he wants something, that he apparently DIDN"T want so much that he kicked his "beloved" to the curb over it.

That was retarded. Anders is great because he doesn't trash a perfectly good relationship over something so completely and totally stupid.

1) Calling people or things 'retarded' is immature and unacceptable.  Knock it off.
2) Alistair doesn't dump a non-f!Cousland Warden because he's angry, he does it because he cannot marry an elf, dwarf, or mage as King.  He's a bastard prince who is barely accepted to the throne.  Trying to force that would just get another civil war going.  He's making the best choice for the people you just put him in charge of.

Bitter, much?

[TheButterflyEffect]

Since when does he need to marry her? None of the other LI's ever have enough respect to marry the protagonist in either the first or second game, so what should it matter? Clearly this whole "marriage" thing is pretty trivial and meaningless to everyone.

[David Gaider]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Thanks for clarifying.

Though, it's still retarded that he's acting like he wants something, that he apparently DIDN"T want so much that he kicked his "beloved" to the curb over it.

That was retarded. Anders is great because he doesn't trash a perfectly good relationship over something so completely and totally stupid.

If you expect to have a conversation with me or anyone on these forums, please modify your language accordingly. That goes for everyone here. Thanks.

[TheButterflyEffect]

David Gaider wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Thanks for clarifying.

Though, it's still retarded that he's acting like he wants something, that he apparently DIDN"T want so much that he kicked his "beloved" to the curb over it.

That was retarded. Anders is great because he doesn't trash a perfectly good relationship over something so completely and totally stupid.

If you expect to have a conversation with me or anyone on these forums, please modify your language accordingly. That goes for everyone here. Thanks.

Sorry. Then I'll just say... it was "dumb". That's all.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:03 .

[TobiTobsen]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Since when does he need to marry her? None of the other LI's ever have enough respect to marry the protagonist in either the first or second game, so what should it matter? Clearly this whole "marriage" thing is pretty trivial and meaningless to everyone.

The other LI's are in no position where it would matter. Alistair needs the support of the common folk and his nobles and a heir, which isn't going to happen if he decides to make a non-human or a mage his queen. You can still be his mistress.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:07 .

[Harle Cerulean]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Since when does he need to marry her? None of the other LI's ever have enough respect to marry the protagonist in either the first or second game, so what should it matter? Clearly this whole "marriage" thing is pretty trivial and meaningless to everyone.

He doesn't, and if you hardened him and suggest it, he'll be happy to keep the Warden as a mistress.  But at King, he needs to marry, to produce an heir.  That's how these things work.  If Cailan hadn't died, Alistair, as a bastard, wouldn't be considered for the throne for a second, since he's illegitimate, and legitimacy is considered important when it comes to things like inheriting noble titles.

And now let me guess, you're going to complain that he would keep a mistress, but says he's waiting for lightning to strike him after he has sex the first time, so that's inconsistent.  Let me anticipate you: it's called character development, and that's why you have to harden him.  Otherwise, he still believes too much in his ideals to be comfortable with the idea of keeping a mistress.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying unhardened Alistair doesn't develop - he just develops differently.  

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:07 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

TobiTobsen wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Since when does he need to marry her? None of the other LI's ever have enough respect to marry the protagonist in either the first or second game, so what should it matter? Clearly this whole "marriage" thing is pretty trivial and meaningless to everyone.

The other LI's are in no position where it would matter. Alistair needs the support of the common folk and his nobles, which isn't going to happen if he decides to make a non-human or a mage his queen. You can still be his mistress.

The noble can go pick petals off daisies. Who cares what those insufferable snobs and fools think?

And exactly, you can be a mistress, but in order for that you have to be all persuasive because his first thought is just to broom you. Seriously, what is that supposed to be about? The girl he claims to "love" and the only female who's ever been willing to give him the time of day? No thanks. The PC is too good for someone that ridiculous.

[David Gaider]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Sorry. Then I'll just say... it was "dumb". That's all.

Fair enough. Opinions are precious butterflies, to be certain. My opinion is that, from Alistair's perspective, it's his "beloved" who betrays him at the Landsmeet. The woman he loved, who he thought understood him and knew that Loghain's murder of all his comrades (as well as his mentor) deserved justice, has decided that Loghain should instead be given a place in an order which, to him, represents all good things. That Loghain will be given a chance at redemption rather than the ignoble execution he deserves.

There is a point where players expect to be able to influence their companions, but I argue there should also be a point at which those companions should not bend to your every whim no matter how much they like you. They expect that you like them too, and that this means you should be as willing to do what they want as much as they're willing to do what you want. To not do so turns the character into a sock-puppet for your will, which while very gratifying to the ego wouldn't make for a very human characterization of Alistair.

Is it maddening that he disagrees with you, after having been willing to follow your lead up until that point? Absolutely. I seldom see people actually analyze the situation, however, to determine the level of their betrayal of Alistair as much as his betrayal of them. In my mind, the only thing Alistair does which is unequivocably wrong is when he up and leaves the Wardens once the decision is made. Surely the fate of the world is more important than that? Being human, however, he simply doesn't want to be in the same order that accepts Loghain... and, far more importantly, doesn't want to be near you.

Does finding Alistair drunk in Kirkwall mean he pines for power he never even wanted? Not at all. If that's what you think, I'd venture you're not reading the dialogue. He despairs at what happened, and regrets his decision to leave. He despairs the man he has become compared to what he was, or could have been. Which is pathetic, since he walked away from it, but such is the way of drunks (and forum posters) that self-awareness isn't high on their list of concerns when they're complaining about something.

That is, however, simply my opinion. Regardless of what I intended when I wrote him, people will add their own interpretations to it, and more power to them. I just simply will never respect the person who doesn't own up to the fact that there was an element of selfishness on their own part in betraying Alistair as well.

Modifié par David Gaider, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Filament wrote...

King Altair is the best ending of Assassin's Creed, what are you talking about.

Is that the ending where he kills Al-Mualim instead of sparing him to fight the Archdemon?

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

FINE HERE wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

This topic is about Dragon Age: Inquisitor!

...somehow?

Touché.

King Alistair for DA3! Discuss!

Only if  he actually became King according to a particular playthrough, due to his being alive, obviously. Otherwise I'd be more than happy to see a crownless Grey Warden Alistair or a bitter drunken bum Alistair, based on decisions I made in DA:O. I am all about variety and being able to import the consequences of more important decisions. I don't believe in pushing my own personal canon, based on one playthrough or another on everybody else.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Then why does he disapprove earlier on when you say you want to kill Loghain... and even if you do execute Loghain then make him king, justice has been served and guy is still not happy? Sheesh.

[TobiTobsen]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Since when does he need to marry her? None of the other LI's ever have enough respect to marry the protagonist in either the first or second game, so what should it matter? Clearly this whole "marriage" thing is pretty trivial and meaningless to everyone.

The other LI's are in no position where it would matter. Alistair needs the support of the common folk and his nobles, which isn't going to happen if he decides to make a non-human or a mage his queen. You can still be his mistress.

The noble can go pick petals off daisies. Who cares what those insufferable snobs and fools think?

And exactly, you can be a mistress, but in order for that you have to be all persuasive because his first thought is just to broom you. Seriously, what is that supposed to be about? The girl he claims to "love" and the only female who's ever been willing to give him the time of day? No thanks. The PC is too good for someone that ridiculous.

The King should care. Otherwise his first royal decision, to make his non-human/mage lover queen, was also his last and he has another civil war coming up. It's not a wise move to ****** off the people who provide most of the levies for the Ferelden army

[Asch Lavigne]

Hmmm... now that I think about it, I made Anora Queen, which was mentioned in the game. However, during Aveline's Act 3 quest she says "the King of Ferelden."

[Masha Potato]

David Gaider wrote...

That is, however, simply my opinion. Regardless of what I intended when I wrote him, people will add their own interpretations to it, and more power to them. I just simply will never respect the person who doesn't own up to the fact that there was an element of selfishness on their own part in betraying Alistair as well.

Is it  selfish to believe that at that point of time Ferelden needs every Warden they can find and to try to make the most of the situation by maybe swallowing your not-so-fond feelings towards Loghain to make him join the order? What if the player doesn't think of Alistair at all and instead thinks of what would be the wisest course of action in their rather ****ty situation? 

I really fail to see how in a situation when you and Alistair just disagree on the preferable course of action doing what you think is right  and logical is a selfish betrayal. 

[Blackrising]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Hmmm... now that I think about it, I made Anora Queen, which was mentioned in the game. However, during Aveline's Act 3 quest she says "the King of Ferelden."

Really? Maybe it's an import error. Or maybe you made male Cousland marry Anora?

I made Anora Queen as well and I never had anyone mention a king other than my Warden. Or I just didn't notice it.

[TheButterflyEffect]

TobiTobsen wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Since when does he need to marry her? None of the other LI's ever have enough respect to marry the protagonist in either the first or second game, so what should it matter? Clearly this whole "marriage" thing is pretty trivial and meaningless to everyone.

The other LI's are in no position where it would matter. Alistair needs the support of the common folk and his nobles, which isn't going to happen if he decides to make a non-human or a mage his queen. You can still be his mistress.

The noble can go pick petals off daisies. Who cares what those insufferable snobs and fools think?

And exactly, you can be a mistress, but in order for that you have to be all persuasive because his first thought is just to broom you. Seriously, what is that supposed to be about? The girl he claims to "love" and the only female who's ever been willing to give him the time of day? No thanks. The PC is too good for someone that ridiculous.

The King should care. Otherwise his first royal decision, to make his non-human/mage lover queen, was also his last and he has another civil war coming up. It's not a wise move to ****** off the people who provide most of the levies for the Ferelden army

...Then maybe they should treat the person who saved all of their necks with just a little bit more respect.

I don't see how such a great hero could be unworthy of anything.

He doesn't need to make her queen. He has been having sex with her this whole time and isn't married to her, what's the big deal? Why should anything change? Nothing needs to change, he's just an idiot.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:28 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...


...Then maybe they should treat the person who saved all of their necks with just a little bit more respect.

These are nobles. They don't care who they should respect.

[upsettingshorts]

Lots of people in this thread need to play Crusader Kings 2 (or you know, read about how monarchies actually worked, but the former idea is more fun).

Alienating your nobles is a good way to encourage civil war and regicide. They are the reason you rule.

Masha Potato wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

That is, however, simply my opinion. Regardless of what I intended when I wrote him, people will add their own interpretations to it, and more power to them. I just simply will never respect the person who doesn't own up to the fact that there was an element of selfishness on their own part in betraying Alistair as well.

Is it  selfish to believe that at that point of time Ferelden needs every Warden they can find and to try to make the most of the situation by maybe swallowing your not-so-fond feelings towards Loghain to make him join the order? What if the player doesn't think of Alistair at all and instead thinks of what would be the wisest course of action in their rather ****ty situation? 

I really fail to see how in a situation when you and Alistair just disagree on the preferable course of action doing what you think is right  and logicalis a selfish betrayal. 

Not to mention, it's totally possible to reach that decision without being friends with Alistair at all.  But then your not getting along would hardly be a surprise to either of you by that point.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:37 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

And the only thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fall, fail... die trying.