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[amethyst_rose2009]

Sorry if this has already been asked.  I couldn't find it in search and this is just bugging me.

Why does Alistair agree to marry Anora for the sake of producing an heir when it just seems we are supposed to assume she was barren or something since after 5 years with Cailan she wasn't able to produce an heir?  I mean Alistair will dump your female pc because two wardens can't have kids, so obviously an heir is important to him, as it should be for a king, and I understand that. 

Pardon me if I sound bitter, but the break-up scene just doesn't make a lot of since if he's going to end up marrying a woman who can't have kids anyway.  And no, it doesn't specifically say Anora is barren, but there has to be a legitimate reason she and Cailan did not produce an heir in five years together.  Sure it could have been just a political marriage with no love involved, but they still would have been pressured to produce an heir as it would have been their responsibility.  Also, Eamon himself says that Cailan was smitten with Anora from the moment he met her.  All Anora has to do is bat her eyelashes and he'll do anything for her.  Sounds more like an obediant puppy than a king to me. 

Anyway, I've never been able to get Anora to really talk to my elven pc, so if anyone else has gotten more information from her, please share and enlighten me on the subject so I won't be quite as bitter about Alistair breaking up with my female pc.

And yes I have played it with Alistair as hardened so I have been able to stay on as his mistress and I realize that elves can't be queens in Fereldon anyway (darn racist Fereldons!).

Hmm, but then again maybe I'm blaming Anora too much because I truly hate that woman.  Maybe the problem did not lie with her, maybe it was Cailan's inability to produce an heir. 

[skotie]

Hmm where does it say two wardens can't have a child? Alistair says this? I like the guy but he wasn't even aware how to kill the Arch Demon so how the hell would he know?



My thoughts on Calin and Anora are the two didn't really belong together anyways, I just can't see them both together if Calin lived. Then agian it seems mostly like Anora just uses Calin, as anyone in a position of power is her type.



I never heard anything about two wardens not being able to have kids though, even if Alistair knew my wonder is why he would want to know anyways, there don't seem to be many women in the wardens anyways Alistair made that clear early on, well if you play a female toon anyways.



Maybe his reasons are hes trying to do whats best for his country, afterall Anora has experiance ruling and YOU did convince him to become king afterall.

[Kohaku]

I never figured that out as well. I haven't done that yet, I might in my new character.



People here have been saying that by talking to Anora you can find out Calian had been stepping out on Anora anyway. Could be she just didn't put out when she found out about that.

[Kohaku]

skotie wrote...

Hmm where does it say two wardens can't have a child? Alistair says this? I like the guy but he wasn't even aware how to kill the Arch Demon so how the hell would he know?

My thoughts on Calin and Anora are the two didn't really belong together anyways, I just can't see them both together if Calin lived. Then agian it seems mostly like Anora just uses Calin, as anyone in a position of power is her type.

I never heard anything about two wardens not being able to have kids though, even if Alistair knew my wonder is why he would want to know anyways, there don't seem to be many women in the wardens anyways Alistair made that clear early on, well if you play a female toon anyways.

Maybe his reasons are hes trying to do whats best for his country, afterall Anora has experiance ruling and YOU did convince him to become king afterall.

Writer, David Gaider, told us that in a thread. I'll look for it and post it unless someone else does it first.

[amethyst_rose2009]

skotie wrote...

Hmm where does it say two wardens can't have a child? Alistair says this? I like the guy but he wasn't even aware how to kill the Arch Demon so how the hell would he know?

My thoughts on Calin and Anora are the two didn't really belong together anyways, I just can't see them both together if Calin lived. Then agian it seems mostly like Anora just uses Calin, as anyone in a position of power is her type.

I never heard anything about two wardens not being able to have kids though, even if Alistair knew my wonder is why he would want to know anyways, there don't seem to be many women in the wardens anyways Alistair made that clear early on, well if you play a female toon anyways.

Maybe his reasons are hes trying to do whats best for his country, afterall Anora has experiance ruling and YOU did convince him to become king afterall.

Good points.  I think David did say that two gray wardens can't ever have kids, but you're right that Alistair might not know that for certain.  And I too got the feeling that Anora was very frosty with Cailan, but their duty to produce an heir should have still come first.  Then, after having a kid, if she never wanted to touch Cailan again that would be her prerogative.

[skotie]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

skotie wrote...

Hmm where does it say two wardens can't have a child? Alistair says this? I like the guy but he wasn't even aware how to kill the Arch Demon so how the hell would he know?

My thoughts on Calin and Anora are the two didn't really belong together anyways, I just can't see them both together if Calin lived. Then agian it seems mostly like Anora just uses Calin, as anyone in a position of power is her type.

I never heard anything about two wardens not being able to have kids though, even if Alistair knew my wonder is why he would want to know anyways, there don't seem to be many women in the wardens anyways Alistair made that clear early on, well if you play a female toon anyways.

Maybe his reasons are hes trying to do whats best for his country, afterall Anora has experiance ruling and YOU did convince him to become king afterall.

Writer, David Gaider, told us that in a thread. I'll look for it and post it unless someone else does it first.

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

[The Capital Gaultier]

It seems like sequel setup to me. No matter which path you pick, the future king of Ferelden will not have an heir.

[Kohaku]

skotie wrote...

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

Of course he did. They have a loving father/son relationship. It would seem so the way Alistair dotes on him.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I never figured that out as well. I haven't done that yet, I might in my new character.

People here have been saying that by talking to Anora you can find out Calian had been stepping out on Anora anyway. Could be she just didn't put out when she found out about that.

I've heard that as well, though Anora has never liked my elven pc enough to disclose that information to me.  Could be it was indeed Cailan's inability to produce an heir then.  If he got around that much surely there would be an illegitimate heir running around Fereldon somewhere. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yes, it's something I've wondered. There are the rumors, and the fact that in five years of marriage, no kids have been popped out, despite that it seems likely that Cailan and Anora certainly tried, makes it seem more likely that she is barren. Though Anora is a cold fish, in talking to her and her anger in cutscenes after asking Loghain if he did kill Cailan, it seems she genuinely did love the king, and thus, knowing that producing an heir would guarantee her future as queen, it seems the only explaination is that she can't have kids. of course, Cailan could have been the one shooting blanks too. Thus, as far as Alistair knows, she is still capable of breeding, since nothing has been confirmed. And from a Warden perspective, she has a far better chance of succeeding.



Anyway, Alistair relays what has been told to him by Duncan and other Wardens. A Warden can still have kids with a non-Warden, though it will be difficult, but two Wardens, because of the double taint, it's near impossible, barring a major finger in the face of probability, or a miracle.



Hmmm, maybe sacred ashes might work.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...



Hmmm, maybe sacred ashes might work.

hee, hee.  David never said that it wouldn't, now did he?  Oh, my elven pc would be all over that cure.

[Kohaku]

I think he said it could be possible if we thought the taint was a disease.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 01 janvier 2010 - 01:42 .

[MEUTRIERE]

Because Alistair is a little whiny **** who just wants to cause drama. D:<

[skotie]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

skotie wrote...

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

Of course he did. They have a loving father/son relationship. It would seem so the way Alistair dotes on him.

Meanwhile Duncan is calling back the warden women to his tent at night for the uh second part of the Joining ritual...

"You must submit yourself to my taint for the greater good!"

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

skotie wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

skotie wrote...

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

Of course he did. They have a loving father/son relationship. It would seem so the way Alistair dotes on him.

Meanwhile Duncan is calling back the warden women to his tent at night for the uh second part of the Joining ritual...

"You must submit yourself to my taint for the greater good!"

Oh Maker, now there's a line sorely missing from the game. High five!

[amethyst_rose2009]

skotie wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

skotie wrote...

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

Of course he did. They have a loving father/son relationship. It would seem so the way Alistair dotes on him.

Meanwhile Duncan is calling back the warden women to his tent at night for the uh second part of the Joining ritual...

"You must submit yourself to my taint for the greater good!"

 Oh my.  I knew there was something about that beard I didn't trust.

[Kohaku]

skotie wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

skotie wrote...

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

Of course he did. They have a loving father/son relationship. It would seem so the way Alistair dotes on him.

Meanwhile Duncan is calling back the warden women to his tent at night for the uh second part of the Joining ritual...

"You must submit yourself to my taint for the greater good!"

~Salutes~ Female Gray Wardens: We'll take one for the team!

[Xandurpein]

For those who wonder about Anora's feelings about Cailan, you can just ask her. She is, at least in my opinion, quite believable when she explains their relationship. She claims she did love him, even if it wasn't exactly a true match. I think she was genuinly fond of him even if she thought he was foolish a lot of times. She describe him as someone who would have made a great dashing rogue if he hadn't been a King.

Of course, if you belong to the faction that believes that Anora is evil incarnate and that anything she says is an obvious lie, then this doesn't matter...

Modifié par Xandurpein, 01 janvier 2010 - 02:17 .

[MEUTRIERE]

Xandurpein wrote...

Of course, if you belong to the faction that believes that Anora is evil incarnate and that anything she says is an obvious lie, then this doesn't matter...

Maybe Anora is Morrigan's demon baby.  Or Isolde.

My god.  That would explain so much.

[robertthebard]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

skotie wrote...

Hmm still how would Alistair know? Duncan sit him down on his lap and have a good talking to with him about hanky panky with the grey warden women?

Of course he did. They have a loving father/son relationship. It would seem so the way Alistair dotes on him.

Nah, check this thread.  The object of Alistair's affection does not need to reciprocate.

[Recidiva]

I'm afraid at a certain point, Alistair's arguments break down like a schizophrenic on the stand being grilled by a judge under oath. They don't really stand up. And even if one motivation for his arguments stands up, it usually invalidates all the other arguments for everything else he does.



He just reminds me of Eddie Izzard's impression of little kids lying about their reasons why they couldn't have done something bad. "I was dead at the time! I was on the moon...with Steve!"

[kaimanaMM]

Xandurpein wrote...

For those who wonder about Anora's feelings about Cailan, you can just ask her. She is, at least in my opinion, quite believable when she explains their relationship. She claims she did love him, even if it wasn't exactly a true match. I think she was genuinly fond of him even if she thought he was foolish a lot of times. She describe him as someone who would have made a great dashing rogue if he hadn't been a King.

Of course, if you belong to the faction that believes that Anora is evil incarnate and that anything she says is an obvious lie, then this doesn't matter...

QFT.

When you speak with her, she'll also ask you why would she want to marry or even have feeling for a man who looks just like her dead husband but isn't.  I do think she cared for Cailan and I think it's shown throughout the game.

I do think Anora is possibly barren, which would explain an awful lot.  It would explain Cailain's side-trips (which Anora tells you of), it might also explain why at Ostagar Cailain's guard says Loghain and Cailan were fighting about the queen.  I say might because the queen seemed to be on pretty good terms with Orlais and that couldn't have sat very well with dear old Dad.  Thing is, we can't say for sure if she is or if it was Cailain shooting blanks since we really don't know which side of the equation was the problem (if not both sides).  So, Alistair being Alistair probably feels a wee bit of pressure to produce an heir since there hasn't been one yet and also to cement his place on the throne of Ferelden.

David Gaider has said that there's just no way two Grey Wardens will have kids. 

On Page 19 of this forum:

Indeed. A question about the lore was asked and thus answered. Alistair didn't say (and doesn't know) "it is 100% impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child". He's only been a Grey Warden for a short while, and all he knows is he's never heard of it happening.

*I*, however, am telling you what the lore is. That may not concern you, but I am indeed saying that Alistair and the PC he's married to will come to find that they cannot have children together. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will eventually come along and say "you know, two Grey Wardens being married in a situation where children are required is not a great idea"... but until that point all Alistair knows is that it will likely be very hard if not impossible.

In the end, I think the real problem is no matter what you do, Ferelden will be without an heir, whether it's now or later no matter who is on the throne.  I think it says Anora never remarries if you make her queen and if your noble and Alistair are ruling well ... you can kind of see where that'll end up.  Alistair and Anora can try, but they have alot working against them.

[amethyst_rose2009]

kaimanaMM wrote...



In the end, I think the real problem is no matter what you do, Ferelden will be without an heir, whether it's now or later no matter who is on the throne.  I think it says Anora never remarries if you make her queen and if your noble and Alistair are ruling well ... you can kind of see where that'll end up.  Alistair and Anora can try, but they have alot working against them.

I agree with that and really that's the best way to ensure that the ending (at least as far as an heir is concerned) is the same for everyone. Obiviously, that's going to play a part in Dragon Age 2 or even an expansion. 

Maybe Cailan wasn't shooting blanks and two dozen of Cailan's bastards will come and try to usurp Alistair (or human male pc) so that Maric's blood line will live on after all.

[mopotter]

Just because the two gray wardens couldn't have kids, I would think that Anora and Alistair might. She's not a gray warden, and he's only been one for a short time. If he could have a child with Morrigan (if you go that route) then he might be able to have a 2nd. That's assuming the problem was Cailan and not Anora's. I guess we'll find out in DA2 maybe.

[ejoslin]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I never figured that out as well. I haven't done that yet, I might in my new character.

People here have been saying that by talking to Anora you can find out Calian had been stepping out on Anora anyway. Could be she just didn't put out when she found out about that.

I've heard that as well, though Anora has never liked my elven pc enough to disclose that information to me.  Could be it was indeed Cailan's inability to produce an heir then.  If he got around that much surely there would be an illegitimate heir running around Fereldon somewhere. 

Anora tells you if you're romancing Alistair while setting up the engagement.  She wants to know if there's a chance that she and Alistair can grow to love each other or if you'll stay with him.  If you tell her you're sticking around, she asks that you not embarrass her.