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[Ticonderoga117]

Why do people continue to think Synthesis is a good idea when the Reapers are still around? Oh, right, they believe the problem is synthetics not "understanding" organics and we will die from that eventually instead of the giant space squids shooting lasers at everything.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Why do people continue to think Synthesis is a good idea when the Reapers are still around? Oh, right, they believe the problem is synthetics not "understanding" organics and we will die from that eventually instead of the giant space squids shooting lasers at everything.

Why do haters like you think Synthesis is bad?

Oh right, because you are unable to appreciate the finer, more intelligent things in life, like art.

[Ticonderoga117]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Why do haters like you think Synthesis is bad?

Oh right, because you are unable to appreciate the finer, more intelligent things in life, like art.

Art is ok. ME3 may be art, but the category it is in is the "Canned excrement" tier. Also, synthesis leaves the entire galaxy open to Reaper control since they're still around and we could be possibly interconnected now. Not too mention making no sense in it's execution at all.

[AdrynBliss]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I really think this idea is great. Imagine having the strengths of both organic and machine and the weaknesses of neither. I've been setting up a computer network for the past six weeks and have been coming up with all these little changes I want to make on the fly. It dawned on me today how much easier this would be if synthesis were real. I could personally interface with the network and just think it and the network would understand and align itself to my thought patterns. Wow. I wouldn't have had all the trouble getting all these contraptions working, and I wouldn't have had all the licensing issues with the companies because the computers and I could have communicated directly and talked things out rather than having to go through the people who were constantly making mistakes.

And then speaking of the people, we wouldn't have had to worry about the language barriers either since I could communicate digitally with them by thought. So that would eliminate a lot of problems right there.

I really hope Bioware makes Synthesis canon for the next Mass Effect game. It would be a wonder utopia. 

and the part where you fundermentally change every being in galaxy without their consent? that bit that is completely against everything sheps been fighting for for the entire series?
I'll admit its not completely out of the realm of possibility for it to be made canon but i believe its incredibly unlikely.

[Foxhound2121]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I really hope Bioware makes Synthesis canon for the next Mass Effect game. It would be a wonder utopia. 

What if they do? What if they portray it as the complete opposite? A disease and enslavement of all creatures under the new order of synthesis. Is that going to upset you or ruin your feeling about synthesis?

p.s. a new mass effect game where everything is rainbow perfect with no conflict would be boring. so no, not going to happen.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 28 octobre 2012 - 08:32 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is about changing everyone on atomic level as the next major step of evolution.

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That's not evolution though, that's eugenics.

This^ I suggest you look at the definition of evolution Seival.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The
only problem with the Synthesis ending was that Bioware screwed up. If
you look at the platform area behind where Shepard was it is identical
to where Shepard and Anderson were sitting. The elevator was only
symbolic. There really was no elevator. So what happened to Anderson?
Oh, Bioware did their famous "disintegrate corpse" thing. If they hadn't
and left the corpse there, you would have had a perfectly fresh corpse
to throw into the beam.

Firstly, what? How is it the same area at all?

Secondly, I see the argument of throwing someone elses body into the Synthesis beam made a lot. But that's not how it works. If you did the Synthesis beam would take Anderson's DNA and spread that. Which would probably cause the Galaxy to turn black. (Can't say African-American because he was born in London).

Shepard's DNA only works because they are already a cyborg. Kind of...

Well first off Jade, The Catalyst didn't exactly specify that it HAD to be Shepard because Shepard was part cyborg. Just that "why not? You're already part synthetic."

The area has a round piece in it that's been lifted up so that you could sit down and rest your back against it. It looks pretty much the same. And second if there was an elevator that connected there, Shepard's head arms and feet would have been cut off when it got to the level because they were hanging over the edges.

Hmmmm.... I see what U did there. You're just trying to confuse me and make this tasty green stuff not taste so good. You're just being mean. Y U Being mean to me?

[Fedi.St]

Julia is trolling hard. Keep on julia. Troll post of the year so far.

[Eryri]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I really hope Bioware makes Synthesis canon for the next Mass Effect game. It would be a wonder utopia. 

What if they do? What if they portray it as the complete opposite? A disease and enslavement of all creatures under the new order of synthesis. Is that going to upset you or ruin your feeling about synthesis?

p.s. a new mass effect game where everything is rainbow perfect with no conflict would be boring. so no, not going to happen.

I suspect sH0tgUn jUliA may have her tongue in her cheek while praising synthesucks. 

Synthesis turning out to be a dystopia would be the only way a remotely satisfying sequel could be made using that ridiculous concept. The object of the game could be to build the anti-crucible and change everyone back before their brains short out and melt. Or something less stupid along the same lines.

Trouble is that would p*ss off everyone who picked destroy or control, and absolutely infuriate all the diehard utopian synthesis fans. All 37 of them. 

Modifié par Eryri, 28 octobre 2012 - 11:49 .

[palician]

If you have the strengths of both then surely you have the weaknesses of both.

Modifié par palician, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[Redbelle]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Why do people continue to think Synthesis is a good idea when the Reapers are still around? Oh, right, they believe the problem is synthetics not "understanding" organics and we will die from that eventually instead of the giant space squids shooting lasers at everything.

Why do haters like you think Synthesis is bad?

Oh right, because you are unable to appreciate the finer, more intelligent things in life, like art.

Now your not making any sense.

Care to put a little explanation as to why individuals you catergorise as 'Hater' are unable to understand and comprehend complex and controversial aspects of life?

Why choose art as your preferred example? Mathematics, music, computer programming. They all require intelligence. Though to say they are the finer things is more down to the eye of the beholder. Some could just as reasonably argue that family, friends, good food and good cheer are the finer things in life. However these things do not require intelligence to persue. All they require is the willingness to pursue a bond of followship.

Like I said, eye of the Tig...... <ahem> beholder.

As for synthesis being a wonder Utopia.......... Pray that Microsoft and Apple don't exist in ME, otherwise we'll have a schism of those that like Windows and those that like Snow Leopard. Maybe ME4 will be called 'The OS wars'.

Modifié par Redbelle, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:55 .

[IElitePredatorI]

Synthesis wouldn't stop conflict and war in the galaxy, understanding doesn't mean peace.

http://t3.gstatic.co..._jyrlit6B-zF3q4

[Restrider]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I really think this idea is great. Imagine having the strengths of both organic and machine and the weaknesses of neither. I've been setting up a computer network for the past six weeks and have been coming up with all these little changes I want to make on the fly. It dawned on me today how much easier this would be if synthesis were real. I could personally interface with the network and just think it and the network would understand and align itself to my thought patterns. Wow. I wouldn't have had all the trouble getting all these contraptions working, and I wouldn't have had all the licensing issues with the companies because the computers and I could have communicated directly and talked things out rather than having to go through the people who were constantly making mistakes.

And then speaking of the people, we wouldn't have had to worry about the language barriers either since I could communicate digitally with them by thought. So that would eliminate a lot of problems right there.

I really hope Bioware makes Synthesis canon for the next Mass Effect game. It would be a wonder utopia. 

I see what you did there...
Disturbing how many didn't...

[jtav]

Here's what's likely to happen if Synthesis is made canon. ME moves from space opera to cyberpunk. The society won't be anything like a utopia. There will be things that are wonderful and cool, and there will be horrors and problems Shep never dreamed of.

[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I really think this idea is great. Imagine having the strengths of both organic and machine and the weaknesses of neither. I've been setting up a computer network for the past six weeks and have been coming up with all these little changes I want to make on the fly. It dawned on me today how much easier this would be if synthesis were real. I could personally interface with the network and just think it and the network would understand and align itself to my thought patterns. Wow. I wouldn't have had all the trouble getting all these contraptions working, and I wouldn't have had all the licensing issues with the companies because the computers and I could have communicated directly and talked things out rather than having to go through the people who were constantly making mistakes.

And then speaking of the people, we wouldn't have had to worry about the language barriers either since I could communicate digitally with them by thought. So that would eliminate a lot of problems right there.

I really hope Bioware makes Synthesis canon for the next Mass Effect game. It would be a wonder utopia. 

I see what you did there...
Disturbing how many didn't...

Yes its actually quite difficult to satirise synthesis. Nothing you can think of to make fun of it is as ludicrous as what its die-hard supporters already believe. It's like creationism.

Modifié par Eryri, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:34 .

[Seival]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Seival wrote...


My new banner is nice indeed, and I'm not a troll.

I just reached the final stage of ME understanding. ME universe is awesome, and Synthesis is the best way to expand it.

Sounds more like the shock of the ending caused you to go mad.

<Shock of the ending caused you to go mad> = <go to forums and yell "nerf the endings!">

This is not what I'm doing, obviously. I'm supporting BioWare's work.

Modifié par Seival, 28 octobre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Restrider]

Seival wrote...
My new banner is nice indeed, and I'm not a troll.

I just reached the final stage of ME understanding. ME universe is awesome, and Synthesis is the best way to expand it.

I... have... to... resist...

[Seival]

Restrider wrote...

Seival wrote...
My new banner is nice indeed, and I'm not a troll.

I just reached the final stage of ME understanding. ME universe is awesome, and Synthesis is the best way to expand it.

I... have... to... resist...

Please, stop resist the endings. Embrace them, and join us

[Reorte]

It really would've been a lot more interesting if Synthesis hadn't been such a bloody stupid idea in the first place. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with having an ethically horrific choice in there but having such a moronic one is something quite different.

[dreamgazer]

*snickers*

It'll get to a point where nobody will be able to trust anything anybody says on the BSN.

[SpamBot2000]

Man, it was such a pain ripping bread in clumps with your bare hands. I sure am glad they invented sliced bread.

[clennon8]

The slicing of bread is something that should happen naturally, not be forced. Nobody has the right to slice everyone's bread.

Wait, no, I'm getting my metaphors mixed up...

[Redbelle]

I do like that in that resist video linked in, someone posted that Anderson looks into the camera and says 'Your indoctrinated'. Unfortunately, ME was not a Hideo Kojima game. He'd have ran with that and hit it out of the park. Completely circumventing our expectations while delivering what many fans wanted to see.

Alas. All we can do now is hope BW take the next step in story telling. Or at least remember that narrative and gameplay should enhance the other. Not have one smother the other.

@Spambot

I'm just glad slicing bread migrated to cutting cake. Passing one around the office so we could take a bite out of it got messy quickly.

Modifié par Redbelle, 28 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Ome6ablak]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is about changing everyone on atomic level as the next major step of evolution.

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That's not evolution though, that's eugenics.

This^ I suggest you look at the definition of evolution Seival.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The
only problem with the Synthesis ending was that Bioware screwed up. If
you look at the platform area behind where Shepard was it is identical
to where Shepard and Anderson were sitting. The elevator was only
symbolic. There really was no elevator. So what happened to Anderson?
Oh, Bioware did their famous "disintegrate corpse" thing. If they hadn't
and left the corpse there, you would have had a perfectly fresh corpse
to throw into the beam.

Firstly, what? How is it the same area at all?

Secondly, I see the argument of throwing someone elses body into the Synthesis beam made a lot. But that's not how it works. If you did the Synthesis beam would take Anderson's DNA and spread that. Which would probably cause the Galaxy to turn black. (Can't say African-American because he was born in London).

Shepard's DNA only works because they are already a cyborg. Kind of...

@Jade8aby88 What does Anderson being black have to do with anything?

[Redbelle]

@Ome6

Think Jade was making the point that it is the characteristics of the person going into the beam that defines the final outcome of synthesis. I doubt being black will make the galaxy black, in the same way that Shep being white and black in my para/rena playthrough does nothing to skin colouration beyond going a bit green. But it does illustrate the point that if it hadn't been Shepard jumping into the beam, what would we have ended up with?

I wonder if Shep could have thrown marshmellow into the beam? We could have had a galaxy of staypuft marshmellow people. Sunbathing would have to outlawed naturally. Unless you like that crispy look.

Modifié par Redbelle, 28 octobre 2012 - 07:48 .