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[Ome6ablak]

Redbelle wrote...

@Ome6

Think Jade was making the point that it is the characteristics of the person going into the beam that defines the final outcome of synthesis. I doubt being black will make the galaxy black, in the same way that Shep being white and black in my para/rena playthrough does nothing to skin colouration beyond going a bit green. But it does illustrate the point that if it hadn't been Shepard jumping into the beam, what would we have ended up with?

I wonder if Shep could have thrown marshmellow into the beam? We could have had a galaxy of staypuft marshmellow people. Sunbathing would have to outlawed naturally. Unless you like that crispy look.

 
Shepard had more respect for Anderson than anyone else in the entire series. He was pretty much a role model for Shep. So if Anderson was the one to enter the beam I dont think we would have ended up with anything bad.
I know that the beam would not effect skin color or anything, the statement jade made just seemed kind of downputting, as if being black is a bad thing.

Modifié par Ome6ablak, 28 octobre 2012 - 08:10 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Knowing Jade it wasn't meant to be downputting in any manner.

Jade was poking fun at something else, because I almost replied with "wait a minute! I have an African-American Shepard!" Which is true BTW, two in fact, but I haven't run through ME3 with them.

It's that people have been saying they chose Shepard to do the deed because Shepard is part synthetic. Except in reality that's not why they chose Shepard. Shepard was born under a bad sign.

Shepard's Theme Song:

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Oh look, a troll thread. Let me see if I can out-troll the troll...

Brave New World. Your argument is invalid.

[Hrothdane]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Oh look, a troll thread. Let me see if I can out-troll the troll...

Brave New World. Your argument is invalid.

You used the sentence "your argument is invalid."

Your argument is invalid.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Hrothdane wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Oh look, a troll thread. Let me see if I can out-troll the troll...

Brave New World. Your argument is invalid.

You used the sentence "your argument is invalid."

Your argument is invalid.

No arguments are invalid when you're ~*TROLLAN*~ ! 

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 28 octobre 2012 - 11:17 .

[JPR1964]

ManiacG wrote...

....no just no

This...

10 times no

JPR out!

[DoomsdayDevice]

[Seival]

Comparing hasks to Synthesized people is incorrect.

Comparing David Archer to Synthesized people is also incorrect.

[galland]

I found a sense of humour lying around here.........anyone lost one?

[RadicalDisconnect]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The
only problem with the Synthesis ending was that Bioware screwed up. If
you look at the platform area behind where Shepard was it is identical
to where Shepard and Anderson were sitting. The elevator was only
symbolic. There really was no elevator. So what happened to Anderson?
Oh, Bioware did their famous "disintegrate corpse" thing. If they hadn't
and left the corpse there, you would have had a perfectly fresh corpse
to throw into the beam.

Firstly, what? How is it the same area at all?

Secondly, I see the argument of throwing someone elses body into the Synthesis beam made a lot. But that's not how it works. If you did the Synthesis beam would take Anderson's DNA and spread that. Which would probably cause the Galaxy to turn black. (Can't say African-American because he was born in London).

Shepard's DNA only works because they are already a cyborg. Kind of...

I'm not a biologist, but I think that's biologically impossible, even if you rewrite genetics.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 octobre 2012 - 11:18 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You put the lime in the coconut
and drink them both together
Put the lime in the coconut
then you'll feel better
You put the lime in the coconut
You're such a silly woman
Put the lime in the coconut
and call me in the morning.

Wow... there's a blast from the past.

And another problem is that during this mess the Catalyst should have ordered his fleet to PROTECT the Crucible at all costs so he could get synthesis. We get this message that the Crucible was destroyed after a while. What was going on? Was the Alliance shooting at the reapers guarding it, and missing? Hackett, you idiot! Or was that foreshadowed by Han Gerrel firing on the Geth Dreadnought? Couldn't they get along for 10 or 15 minutes?

Even if you had to go down the elevator to grab Anderson, or The Illusive Man -- he even he was part synthetic, more so than even Shepard, and would have made a better choice if being part synthetic was the bees knees. He was fresh as well. So you had two of them to choose from. Shepard should have survived Synthesis.

I want a new ending where Shepard can survive both Synthesis and Destroy. Then remove the taint of the Geth from Destroy. Let the endings stand on their own merit. Fair? I think so.

I still say no matter what Control is just no fun. The Illusive Man was just a no fun character. Power trips are just no fun at all.

[Arokel]

Synthesis is horrific. You sacrifice the very thing you were fighting for in the first place: your humanity. Not just your humanity but everyone else's as well. It feels like genocide to me somehow. That is the best way I can describe the feeling.

In sacrificing what it is to be human you lose and Saren wins.

[Redbelle]

Can I just say that the cast of ME3 were Shakesperian actors. And they only acted out the endings for the money!

Modifié par Redbelle, 29 octobre 2012 - 06:59 .

[inko1nsiderate]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I want a new ending where Shepard can survive both Synthesis and Destroy. Then remove the taint of the Geth from Destroy. Let the endings stand on their own merit. Fair? I think so.

Destroy without a sacrifice is boring.  Synthesis without a sacrifice is less symbolic (death and rebirth), but still works as an interesting choice, particularly because the idea is inherently uncertain and has risk while destroy without any downside is the boring and magic 'kill all Reapers' button.  Take a peek at the DA3 forums to see some Bioware blue argue the point about choices with tradeoffs being interesting.   So go, do some digging into the matter yourself if you want to, but there are valid reasons for the structure of Destroy requiring a sacrifice.  I'm not going to belabor the point because I know you don't actually care to see things from a different perspective.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 29 octobre 2012 - 07:10 .

[4stringwizard]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I really think this idea is great. Imagine having the strengths of both organic and machine and the weaknesses of neither. I've been setting up a computer network for the past six weeks and have been coming up with all these little changes I want to make on the fly. It dawned on me today how much easier this would be if synthesis were real. I could personally interface with the network and just think it and the network would understand and align itself to my thought patterns. Wow. I wouldn't have had all the trouble getting all these contraptions working, and I wouldn't have had all the licensing issues with the companies because the computers and I could have communicated directly and talked things out rather than having to go through the people who were constantly making mistakes.

And then speaking of the people, we wouldn't have had to worry about the language barriers either since I could communicate digitally with them by thought. So that would eliminate a lot of problems right there.

I really hope Bioware makes Synthesis canon for the next Mass Effect game. It would be a wonder utopia. 

Bread is very bad for you.  All that gluten. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

  So go, do some digging into the matter yourself if you want to, but
there are valid reasons for the structure of Destroy requiring a
sacrifice.  I'm not going to belabor the point because I know you don't
actually care to see things from a different perspective.

I don't like the idea of the crucible with pushing one of three buttons to begin with, although that's pretty much what war ends up like anyway. Pushing a button to nuke the place or fire missiles that deliver a form of WMD or Drone to kill the enemy and to hell with the collateral damage. So you could argue that war has gotten boring and needs to be spiced up with sacrifice.

Me? I'd rather just get the job done, and go play a round of golf. Forget the spice. Shepard's had a craptastic life and just would like to enjoy a few years of it. I think she's had like 20 minutes of enjoyment over 180 hours of games. All other time has been spent fighting or in conflict with something or dreaming about some stupid vent kid. Why does she need to have some "noble sacrifice" because some players think that sacrifice is necessary to make them feel good about the ending of a game?

You mentioned Dragon Age 3? Why not this ending for Dragon Age 3 then?

Well, like I've said, given the choice of self-sacrifice or committing genocide, I'll commit genocide any day.

Basically I role play a sociopath.

So why not like in Deus Ex let Shepard find out about the endings during the game and what they mean, and let them stand on their own merit at the end with no sacrifices needed if they're going to let us push buttons for colors? You tell me which one wins.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 29 octobre 2012 - 08:13 .

[TheJediSaint]

I'm just state that I think the basic premise of Synthesis was nonsensical.

That is all.

[Tootles FTW]

Half-human half-machine, you say?
I've always wanted the ability to put my genitals on "vibrate". Thanks, Synthesis!

[Mr.Antihero]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Listen to yourself, you're...indoctrinated!

[StarcloudSWG]

If you want an exploration of what it means to be constantly and permanently connected to the 'net, I recommend Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. It explores the issues of transhumanism and 'synthesis' in the way it is most likely to *actually* progress, instead of the mind-control utopian network version presented in Mass Effect 3.

It's also a far, far better treatment of the subjects and themes involved than Mac and Casey's 'artistic vision'.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 29 octobre 2012 - 11:49 .

[I Ryukage I]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Listen to yourself, you're...indoctrinated!

I love coming to BSN just for the responses.

This title made me spit out my coke.









And I do mean Cola.

[Redbelle]

I Ryukage I wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Listen to yourself, you're...indoctrinated!

I love coming to BSN just for the responses.

This title made me spit out my coke.









And I do mean Cola.

I................... never doubted that was what you meant. I mean Coke, right?

In the end it's all sugar!

[goose2989]

[George Costanza]

Oh Synthesis. The ginger haired step-child of the Mass Effect lore.

People are going to go bonkers when Mass Effect 4 uses Synthesis as canon.

[goose2989]

George Costanza wrote...

Oh Synthesis. The ginger haired step-child of the Mass Effect lore.

People are going to go bonkers when Mass Effect 4 uses Synthesis as canon.

I'd rather see half-robot green people running aroung than any form of prequel