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[genocidal villain]

Let's face it, banning people over any glitch and claiming it is an unfair advantage for other players is just not plausible. Why? If everyone can do it, then it is considered fair. If a player is using hacking the game from an outside source then it is an entirely different thing. If players have some kind of moral value about playing the game "legit" or fair, it really doesn't apply here because that's their stance. It's like saying I'm not going to play the N7 Destroyer or the Turian Ghost Infiltrator because they're cheap ass OP characters. I don't see how butthurt people can get over a CO-OP game score and N7 rank. I welcome players that can outscore me due to their "cheap ass characters" it helps out the whole team. In the end it doesn't really matter because score is no way recorded after the end of the game for players to see only the scoreboard that disappears after you exit it, and the N7 rank doesn't prove players' skill just how much time a player spent. 

If you want to ban people over exploiting something that's not part of the gameplay mechanics then you might as well ban people who abuses "corner peeking" or reload canceling. If I can peek through a corner and shoot my target when it can't even hit me that's exploiting the game mechanics especially since it's not part of core gameplay.

Also, banning people because Bioware is too lazy to patch it, so they "buff or nerf" guns just to fix it is just poor choice. How about fix the glitch instead of punishing people because developers are making poor choices to solve the problem. I'm respect what Bioware is doing, but I do not agree with these temporary solutions. Removing charged shots can really shift the balance of the game and guns that still have the ability to charge their shots is still susceptible to abusing the missile glitch. I've only paid attention to the last 2 random ban waves but 1600 people banned is pretty significant because if you look at the weekend operations the community barely makes it. The community, from my view, barely meets the quota at +/- 15%. Now I'm starting to run into people who are total dicks because of lets kick them out because she/he doesn't have a mic, their low N7 rank, their weapon level is too low and all that other annoying crap that has no correlation between the player's skill and their equipment.

To put it short, enforce the game by fixing bugs, accept your faults for not properly patching glitchs and patch them correctly and give player warnings don't punish them unless what they did is too severe. I don't approve of cheating from a outside program, but glitching is a grey area. It's like punishing my child to the electric chair because he stole 20$ from my wallet compared to robbing banks. I don't think perma bans are the perfect solution for the current glitches because it is Bioware's fault. Unless the person who was given about 2-3 warnings does not see the picture.

(Bare with me I'm still editing to making it sound right without making me trying to make Bioware look an ass sorry about that)

Modifié par genocidal villain, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Asebstos]

inb4bantheop

[Captain J. Sunshine]

Which glitch are you talking about?
Missle glitch is out of the question.
Skill points glitch is plausible but still pretty bad.

[Mendelevosa]

So what you are telling me is that cheating is perfectly acceptable and does not break any moral laws?

Regardless of morals, cheating is clearly against the Terms of Use that players agreed to when they started playing the game. If they wanted to cheat, then they should have found some other game to break the rules in.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:00 .

[Bryan Johnson]

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

[Epique Phael767]

Bioware says they are to be reported and banned, so they are to be reported and banned. Last time I checked, Bioware policed this game's online experience, not you, OP.

[Red Panda]

Exploiting glitches is violating the Terms of Use that you agreed to when you first started up the game.

You can be banned.




You have no rights. Play nice.

[cgj]

Mendelevosa wrote...

So what you are telling me is that cheating is perfectly acceptable and does not break any moral laws?

what bioware is doing can be considering 10 times worse standing from an other POV

[Asebstos]

Captain J. Sunshine wrote...

Which glitch are you talking about?
Missle glitch is out of the question.
Skill points glitch is plausible but still pretty bad.

If he's talking about ban waves then I'd wager he's talking about the missile glitch, either way he's just a tool defending tools. Sorry, I mean cheaters. Same diff.

Modifié par Asebstos, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:54 .

[cowwy]

This is very fantastic logic. Nothing wrong with your argument at all. Bioware may as well just not show up to work becuase they're so lazy and don't support their game at all. You heard it here first, folks.

[Epique Phael767]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Exploiting glitches is violating the Terms of Use that you agreed to when you first started up the game.

You can be banned.




You have no rights. Play nice.

Pretty much this. You can be banned because you said you could.

[tntk252]

If this is in reference to the missile glitch, there's a huge difference between it and things like Reload cancelling.

Reload Cancelling actually takes a little time to get used to. I use a Javelin/Claymore, so I'm lucky enough to have 2 pretty similar weapons, but changing to another weapon can really mess with it.
As for the missile glitch...It gives you infinite freaking nukes.

[Astartes Marine]

OperatingWookie wrote...
You have no rights. Play nice.

Ahh, the Bungie forum slogan.  

cgj wrote...
what bioware is doing can be considering 10 times worse standing from an other POV

How is BioWare getting people who cheat out of the game a bad thing?

Asebstos wrote...
inb4bantheop

He might have been one of the ones caught in the recent ban wave.  If that's the case then he probably didn't get any lube beforehand.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:56 .

[Silvershroud]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Exploiting glitches is violating the Terms of Use that you agreed to when you first started up the game.

You can be banned.
.

This.  You signed an agreement saying that you wouldn't exploit glitches when you installed the game.  If you exploit glitches, you are breaking your agreement, which means that they have the abillity to ban you.  Fortunately for cheaters, they are nice enough not to ban you from single player as well.

[Trae ThaThruth]

Reload cancel is part of the game Devs have already confirmed this months ago.

ME2 could reload cancel

Reload cancel left in for ME3

Deal with it

[Mendelevosa]

cgj wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

So what you are telling me is that cheating is perfectly acceptable and does not break any moral laws?

what bioware is doing can be considering 10 times worse standing from an other POV

At least Bioware tried to do something about the cheating. I don't see you helping to rid the game of glitches. For all I know, you could be one of those immorals who cheat.

Besides, players agreed to the terms of use, and they broke them by cheating. When a contract is broken, the consequences must be accepted and delivered.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:02 .

[Clayless]

What glitch?

[Cake Tasty]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

Obviously. Posting on the forum whilst at work.

[kmmd60]

Your claim seemed to be based on a strange moral, which planet were you from?

[DullahansXMark]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

Serious question: How do we know if someone is abusing this glitch? It's not like we can see their specs in a match.

[Asebstos]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

Serious question: How do we know if someone is abusing this glitch? It's not like we can see their specs in a match.

I wonder if they could just create a script to check people's N7 HQ manifests and flag all the ones with 6/6/6/6/6 characters.

[Epique Phael767]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

[cgj]

Astartes Marine wrote...

cgj wrote...
what bioware is doing can be considering 10 times worse standing from an other POV

How is BioWare getting people who cheat out of the game a bad thing?

because they are partly  ,and not just tiny bit, at fault in this matter
the law is there to cover up their 'incompetence' (it is not said with the goal of insulting or annoy ) at developing a game correctly

certainly cheaters are to be punished, but not flat out banned from something they paid for when the core of the problem is the devs temselves' fault and the term of agreement just a 'way out' for the devs'

i could extend the reasoning, cause as it is there are many holes in this, but it's 3am here, i'm not native english speaker and i can't be bothered

Modifié par cgj, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:02 .

[Bryan Johnson]

Cake Tasty wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

Obviously. Posting on the forum whilst at work.

It's 7pm, core hours are 9-6 for me

[WMcAlister]

You have three options in this scenario. First, ****** and moan on the internet. Second, stop playing the game. Third, shut up and accept it.

All end in relatively the same result: no one cares and nothing changes.

Modifié par WMcAlister, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:02 .