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[cowwy]

Rip504 wrote...

Jiovanie- wrote...


BioWare doesn't release broken content; they relase content, to expect perfection is quite ludicrous. Nothing in this world is perfect, and this world will NEVER be perfect. The sooner you learn to apply that to everything in this world, the better. 

We the community asked for weekly patches; that's our fault. I would rather have monthly patches as opposed to weekly patches. The product doesn't have to advertise that there might be glitches or bugs within it. You as a person should have enough common sense to know that not everything is as it seems. 

I'm losing my faith in humanity everytime I visit the internet. It's a shame really.

Lol so am I. You are willing and accepting to pay for a product with multiple issues. Where does the threshold begin and end?
I am holding BW accountable for their actions.They released a product with multiple bugs/glitches. Fact. Nothing more. I fully understand it is a part of the product. You should not make ludicrous assumptions. I do construction. I am only allowed to be off by a tenth of an inch when laying a tile floor. There are multiple examples of perfect or near perfect products. My main question was is BW contempt with the quality of products they are releasing. Did I ever legally agree to bugs/glitches?

"I bought a controller from Best Buy. The right analog would stick a little,causing the product to not work properly or as intended. I then returned it to Best Buy to exchange it. They gave me no trouble. The new one I got is also broken. The light on the Play and charge does not work. I have returned the product and got another one. (Third) With No trouble. If I wanted my money back I would be able to get it back. Neither of these issue cause the controller to be unusable,but by definition both of these controllers are broken. As they do not function
in the way they are intended to. Proven by Best Buy willingness to fix my issue.

So while these problems barely effect anything,there is still an issue. A issue worthy of refunding my money or replacing my product. Fixing my issue. "

cowwy wrote...


Bryan might respond to this as well, but I would like to reiterate what he said earlier.

They fixed the original missile glitch.

People like you keep saying that they are not doing their job, and that they don't care about the game, and make every ridiculous claim, but the fact of the matter is that they are VERY OBVIOUSLY working on the issues.
They've stated multiple times that they are working on fixing these issues but they have to test them and go through certification processes that are both expensive and time consuming, so they try to get the most
bang for their buck, by releasing patches with more than just "Fixed an issue where players could use infinite missile launchers".

Also  take that legal argument to a court of law. Tell me how that goes for you. I don't claim to be a legal expert, but I'm pretty sure you've received the product that you've paid for.

No never once did I ever claim BW was not doing their job. BW does a very good job. That is your mistaken interpretation of what I said. I am asking was BW aware of the Missile Glitch before release? If not,why not?
If so, then BW was contempt to release a glitch/buggy product? We are suppose to accept that with open arms? Not me.

Really? Buggy DLC was advertised? I assume it was advertised as really "cool" content. Never did they tell me they were releasing a buggy product they may get some user's banned.

To the Baseball analogy. If the MLB placed the enhancements into the players lockers,then yes the MLB would also be held responsible. As BW has placed the Glitch within your character screen/stats game. People are not exploiting ways to create the glitch. They are exploiting a glitch that BW's product has placed within their game.
It is wrong and should be considered cheating by all means.

Ok, let's take it from the top.

The first analogy is actually a little more in tune with this; my controller made a little squeak when I press the right trigger, and when I tried to take it back they said there's nothing wrong with it (even though they probably have a 30 day return policy, but that's irrelevant).

Next point, they may have been aware of the missile glitch, they might not have been. A team looking for bugs is definately less than 100 people, and when you compare that amount of people with the hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of players who play the game post release, especially when you have players who dedicate time to looking for exploits, the amount of comparative time spent looking for bugs is kinda skewed, is it not? And if they were aware, they were probably under time constraints and couldn't fix it due to deadlines, and so relegated it to the patches.

Also I apologize for misinterpreting your statement, but that is a commonly held belief with some people on the BSN.

I never said buggy dlc was advertised, that is you misinterpreting my statement.

With the MLB analogy, I was directing it specifically at the missile glitch, and I made another analogy in one of my previous posts about the 6/6/6/6/6 glitch. Bryan has also stated in this thread that they won't ban people for using a glitched character, but they will ban people who are obviously only using the character that is glitched.

P.S. For the lulz I'm pretty sure Bioware will always be "contempt" to release a buggy product, they will just never be "content" with it.

[WildHog70]

hudder92 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

@Bryan: The idea that the 6/6/6/6/6 spec was a bannable offense came from the cheating compendium topic Ernest Tse had up. Here's the post in question:

http://social.biowar...450/15#14551717

A few people were wondering what's considered "exploiting" the 6/6/6/6/6 spec as it's hard to tell if somebody knew it was a glitch or not. Thankfully I haven't encountered this glitch (haven't unlocked any of the characters afflicted by it unfortunately) but it seems like a major issue if this is indeed a bannable offense. Nobody knows and it seems like it'd have to be patched to be fixed so that leaves a large amount of gray area for people to get banned without realizing they were breaking the rules.

Thanks ill speak to Ernest on monday basically it is the same kind of deal as anything else if you are using it to your advantage a lot (ie you are exclusively playing that kit past what is resonable for you to fix it) then we consider it an exploit.

In my opinion in may be a glitch, but doesn't the user have to physically assign those points to make it 6/6/6/6/6? I was under the impression that the character had negative points which allowed you to assign the remaining points. So if someone did this. They should know what they are doing is in fact wrong. I don't see a problem with banning someone over it, if that is indeed how it works.

It's really easy to do accidently, especially at lower levels (where you don't get 66666, but an artificially higher rank. At the time a rank assignment, it just says you have X amount of points, then you use all of them. When you exit, then come back to the powers screen, then you see that you have negative points.

[hudder92]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

ok i saved up 1 hundread thou for a very nice car, i spent it all and what do i get? a crap, used car, with level 4 used tires, thats hows it broke, or 1 mil and get that....

Hey!  I love my Level IV's!!!  They might be the best thing to happen to this game!  Don't look down on something you obviously don't understand!  Level IV's changed the store for the better.  No doubt about it.  

Honestly if I had a choice between the Character XP cards and level IV ammo.. I would rather have the XP cards. 

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Bryan Johnson wrote...

Methenu wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Bryan, I don't mean to be rude, but you should probably remember that this is the internet, and most people aren't going to change their minds just because someone posts a rational, coherent set of reasons that they're wrong. The bull**** hate for the QA team isn't going to dissipate, even if it absolutely should.

Maybe NDA prohibits talking about this too, but how well do people comment out their coding and **** in the video game industry? It seems like for bugfixing, it'd be great to detail what a specific bit of code was doing, but comments can be really time consuming. With the deadlines you guys have to meet, is that something that often ends up falling by the wayside a bit? Are a lot of the problems unrelated to that, and more related to using a game engine designed around single-player for a multiplayer mode?

Just curious.

I am well aware, its not those people I am after, it is the rational ones I wish to give more knowledge to.

Comments are present in the code base, you also have to consider you are using someone elses technology. IE we use Unreal Engine 3, so we have to use code that Epic wrote. You also have many different styles of code that you can write, the industry isn't "mature" (programming) as there are universal standards. I mean look at coding standards the industry as a whole cant even comment on what is correct for capitalization. 

Sure some stuff is not as well documented as well as it could be, but once again this is universal.

Doesn't have to be industry wide, though, does it?  I mean, BioWare has been using the UE3 engine and SDK for ME, ME2 and ME3, I would assume that at least internally there has been an implementation of a "standard" or "best practices" methodology otherwise you'd be looking at chaos.  That way if you bring a new programmer/qa'er in you don't have to explain how you nested the if else statements or whathaveyou, you just have to give them an overview of the standards BW has instituted regarding the naming of variables, comments, etc to keep everything rolling smoothly.

Or am I totally off-base here?  

No I wasnt saying that we dont use "best practices". I was using the example that a coding standard not being agreed upon is an example of how immature the software development industry is.

UGH! i'd never thought i'd say this but where the hell is ISO when you need them!!!!  (i'm sorry for your daily struggle in the software industry over this... sincerely  )

[hudder92]

WildHog70 wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

@Bryan: The idea that the 6/6/6/6/6 spec was a bannable offense came from the cheating compendium topic Ernest Tse had up. Here's the post in question:

http://social.biowar...450/15#14551717

A few people were wondering what's considered "exploiting" the 6/6/6/6/6 spec as it's hard to tell if somebody knew it was a glitch or not. Thankfully I haven't encountered this glitch (haven't unlocked any of the characters afflicted by it unfortunately) but it seems like a major issue if this is indeed a bannable offense. Nobody knows and it seems like it'd have to be patched to be fixed so that leaves a large amount of gray area for people to get banned without realizing they were breaking the rules.

Thanks ill speak to Ernest on monday basically it is the same kind of deal as anything else if you are using it to your advantage a lot (ie you are exclusively playing that kit past what is resonable for you to fix it) then we consider it an exploit.

In my opinion in may be a glitch, but doesn't the user have to physically assign those points to make it 6/6/6/6/6? I was under the impression that the character had negative points which allowed you to assign the remaining points. So if someone did this. They should know what they are doing is in fact wrong. I don't see a problem with banning someone over it, if that is indeed how it works.

It's really easy to do accidently, especially at lower levels (where you don't get 66666, but an artificially higher rank. At the time a rank assignment, it just says you have X amount of points, then you use all of them. When you exit, then come back to the powers screen, then you see that you have negative points.

I can see accidentally assigning one extra point, but to completely max out all of your powers.. I don't buy it.

[Bryan Johnson]

Rip504 wrote...

Jiovanie- wrote...


BioWare doesn't release broken content; they relase content, to expect perfection is quite ludicrous. Nothing in this world is perfect, and this world will NEVER be perfect. The sooner you learn to apply that to everything in this world, the better. 

We the community asked for weekly patches; that's our fault. I would rather have monthly patches as opposed to weekly patches. The product doesn't have to advertise that there might be glitches or bugs within it. You as a person should have enough common sense to know that not everything is as it seems. 

I'm losing my faith in humanity everytime I visit the internet. It's a shame really.

Lol so am I. You are willing and accepting to pay for a product with multiple issues. Where does the threshold begin and end?
I am holding BW accountable for their actions.They released a product with multiple bugs/glitches. Fact. Nothing more. I fully understand it is a part of the product. You should not make ludicrous assumptions. I do construction. I am only allowed to be off by a tenth of an inch when laying a tile floor. There are multiple examples of perfect or near perfect products. My main question was is BW contempt with the quality of products they are releasing. Did I ever legally agree to bugs/glitches?

"I bought a controller from Best Buy. The right analog would stick a little,causing the product to not work properly or as intended. I then returned it to Best Buy to exchange it. They gave me no trouble. The new one I got is also broken. The light on the Play and charge does not work. I have returned the product and got another one. (Third) With No trouble. If I wanted my money back I would be able to get it back. Neither of these issue cause the controller to be unusable,but by definition both of these controllers are broken. As they do not function
in the way they are intended to. Proven by Best Buy willingness to fix my issue.

So while these problems barely effect anything,there is still an issue. A issue worthy of refunding my money or replacing my product. Fixing my issue. "

cowwy wrote...


Bryan might respond to this as well, but I would like to reiterate what he said earlier.

They fixed the original missile glitch.

People like you keep saying that they are not doing their job, and that they don't care about the game, and make every ridiculous claim, but the fact of the matter is that they are VERY OBVIOUSLY working on the issues.
They've stated multiple times that they are working on fixing these issues but they have to test them and go through certification processes that are both expensive and time consuming, so they try to get the most
bang for their buck, by releasing patches with more than just "Fixed an issue where players could use infinite missile launchers".

Also  take that legal argument to a court of law. Tell me how that goes for you. I don't claim to be a legal expert, but I'm pretty sure you've received the product that you've paid for.

No never once did I ever claim BW was not doing their job. BW does a very good job. That is your mistaken interpretation of what I said. I am asking was BW aware of the Missile Glitch before release? If not,why not?
If so, then BW was contempt to release a glitch/buggy product? We are suppose to accept that with open arms? Not me.

Really? Buggy DLC was advertised? I assume it was advertised as really "cool" content. Never did they tell me they were releasing a buggy product they may get some user's banned.

To the Baseball analogy. If the MLB placed the enhancements into the players lockers,then yes the MLB would also be held responsible. As BW has placed the Glitch within your character screen/stats game. People are not exploiting ways to create the glitch. They are exploiting a glitch that BW's product has placed within their game.
It is wrong and should be considered cheating by all means.

Okay so ill attempt to answer this from an industry standard/computer engineering practices. Do we want our game to have bugs in it, nope, who would? Is there a point where you have to say enough is enough, ship the product the way it is? Absolutely 

Software is not something you can compare to a real physical thing, anyone in the industry will tell you. NASA for example had a mars lander lost because it didnt know how to calculate metric properly. In software a simple logic gate doubles the complexity of your system. An int can be 2^32 different valid values, do you want to try and account for every single one of those in a single value?

Were we aware of the missile glitch before launch, nope. Because that is not a path that we took. I can stand here with pretty good certainty if it wasnt for the internet less than 1% of the people he know about missile glitching now would have no idea what that is. Finding a bug is one thing, being able to follow instructions to do it is another. It took a couple hundred thousand/millions of people 3 months to find it, 200 people over the course of 1-2 years is no where near the same.

There is a video series that is on the top of my head that used to be on the escapist where the person talks about the industry. I would recommend you watch some of them to find out what it is like because I can assure you it is vastly different working with software then it is working with construction.

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xsdob wrote...

It's not a glitch, it's cheating, plain and simple. You are using a bug in the program to get massive amounts of points illegitimately, making enemies die with one hit kills in a much more exceed amount than is allowed, and are doing so multiple times.

Doing it once is a mistake, doing it a bunch of times every match is obvious malicious intent. Same rules as drunk driving and killing someone, do it once and it's an accident, do it a bunch of times and **** you your going to prison where you can complain to the guards how it's unfair that you were put here for doing something everyone else is capable of doing.

errr..... last i checked killing someone while driving drunk gets you jailtime regardless of previous offenses.....

do you mean those as two seperate things?
like... (A) drunk driving... first offense is a license "temporary ban" and some fines...  later offenses result in jail stints?
  and ( vehicular homicide can result in prison time one way or another, depending on the greviousness of the offense, and whether or not they can prove there was malice, or gross negligence involved.

[Crossback]

genocidal villain wrote...

don't punish them unless what they did is too severe.

I read through your entire first post, but this statement in particular caught my eye. Most people are banned not because they discovered a glitch and then ignored it, they were banned because, with their thinking, their eyes lit up with an idea: I CAN EXPLOIT THIS TO EARN MORE CREDITS/PAD MY MANIFEST. ILLEGITLY.

Not for one second do I believe someone would do a glitch intentionally, time after time after time and not think that there is anything wrong with doing that. It's as simple as that, however loose your moral standards are. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a completely straight arrow and there are grey areas, but I do believe that anyone who intentionally glitches KNOWS what they are doing and pretty much should accept getting banned if they're caught.

[WARMACHINE9]

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

[cowwy]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

[ErrorTagUnknown]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Jiovanie- wrote...


BioWare doesn't release broken content; they relase content, to expect perfection is quite ludicrous. Nothing in this world is perfect, and this world will NEVER be perfect. The sooner you learn to apply that to everything in this world, the better. 

We the community asked for weekly patches; that's our fault. I would rather have monthly patches as opposed to weekly patches. The product doesn't have to advertise that there might be glitches or bugs within it. You as a person should have enough common sense to know that not everything is as it seems. 

I'm losing my faith in humanity everytime I visit the internet. It's a shame really.

Lol so am I. You are willing and accepting to pay for a product with multiple issues. Where does the threshold begin and end?
I am holding BW accountable for their actions.They released a product with multiple bugs/glitches. Fact. Nothing more. I fully understand it is a part of the product. You should not make ludicrous assumptions. I do construction. I am only allowed to be off by a tenth of an inch when laying a tile floor. There are multiple examples of perfect or near perfect products. My main question was is BW contempt with the quality of products they are releasing. Did I ever legally agree to bugs/glitches?

"I bought a controller from Best Buy. The right analog would stick a little,causing the product to not work properly or as intended. I then returned it to Best Buy to exchange it. They gave me no trouble. The new one I got is also broken. The light on the Play and charge does not work. I have returned the product and got another one. (Third) With No trouble. If I wanted my money back I would be able to get it back. Neither of these issue cause the controller to be unusable,but by definition both of these controllers are broken. As they do not function
in the way they are intended to. Proven by Best Buy willingness to fix my issue.

So while these problems barely effect anything,there is still an issue. A issue worthy of refunding my money or replacing my product. Fixing my issue. "

cowwy wrote...


Bryan might respond to this as well, but I would like to reiterate what he said earlier.

They fixed the original missile glitch.

People like you keep saying that they are not doing their job, and that they don't care about the game, and make every ridiculous claim, but the fact of the matter is that they are VERY OBVIOUSLY working on the issues.
They've stated multiple times that they are working on fixing these issues but they have to test them and go through certification processes that are both expensive and time consuming, so they try to get the most
bang for their buck, by releasing patches with more than just "Fixed an issue where players could use infinite missile launchers".

Also  take that legal argument to a court of law. Tell me how that goes for you. I don't claim to be a legal expert, but I'm pretty sure you've received the product that you've paid for.

No never once did I ever claim BW was not doing their job. BW does a very good job. That is your mistaken interpretation of what I said. I am asking was BW aware of the Missile Glitch before release? If not,why not?
If so, then BW was contempt to release a glitch/buggy product? We are suppose to accept that with open arms? Not me.

Really? Buggy DLC was advertised? I assume it was advertised as really "cool" content. Never did they tell me they were releasing a buggy product they may get some user's banned.

To the Baseball analogy. If the MLB placed the enhancements into the players lockers,then yes the MLB would also be held responsible. As BW has placed the Glitch within your character screen/stats game. People are not exploiting ways to create the glitch. They are exploiting a glitch that BW's product has placed within their game.
It is wrong and should be considered cheating by all means.

Okay so ill attempt to answer this from an industry standard/computer engineering practices. Do we want our game to have bugs in it, nope, who would? Is there a point where you have to say enough is enough, ship the product the way it is? Absolutely 

Software is not something you can compare to a real physical thing, anyone in the industry will tell you. NASA for example had a mars lander lost because it didnt know how to calculate metric properly. In software a simple logic gate doubles the complexity of your system. An int can be 2^32 different valid values, do you want to try and account for every single one of those in a single value?

Were we aware of the missile glitch before launch, nope. Because that is not a path that we took. I can stand here with pretty good certainty if it wasnt for the internet less than 1% of the people he know about missile glitching now would have no idea what that is. Finding a bug is one thing, being able to follow instructions to do it is another. It took a couple hundred thousand/millions of people 3 months to find it, 200 people over the course of 1-2 years is no where near the same.

There is a video series that is on the top of my head that used to be on the escapist where the person talks about the industry. I would recommend you watch some of them to find out what it is like because I can assure you it is vastly different working with software then it is working with construction.

i don't think he's saying it's harder/easier than construction - just different.  more complex, more things to go wrong.   a skilled craftsman, like yourself (i've had a lot of friends who have worked construction at some point... society gives them a bad rep.  it's a skilled trade) can take their time... be precise...  you see exactly what other people will see.  
debugging code would be like if you had to go over a few million laid tiles and ensure that they were correctly oriented, level, no chips/dings/scratches...   there's bound to be things you missed --- but the people using that tile may well eventually go... hey, wtf that tile is messed up! 
if they come back a few years later and ask for their money back because a single tile isn't aligned properly do you give it to them?  no.  Heck, most contractors won't even fix it for free.   bioware is fixing these errors we found for free.

[WARMACHINE9]

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

I'm really glad to hear that. At least they're swingin' that ol' hammer with a bit of a soul. Some companies aren't so nice.

[cowwy]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

I'm really glad to hear that. At least they're swingin' that ol' hammer with a bit of a soul. Some companies aren't so nice.

I'm pretty sure that they've always been kinda lenient with the ban hammer. They always look for extenuating circumstances when deciding what kind of punishment to dole out. They look at things such as; whether or not the person abuses the glitch, or simply stumbled upon it, whether or not they self report themselves, and whether or not they go on the BSN.

[Cyonan]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There is a video series that is on the top of my head that used to be on the escapist where the person talks about the industry. I would recommend you watch some of them to find out what it is like because I can assure you it is vastly different working with software then it is working with construction.

Are you by chance talking about Extra Creditz?

They're actually on Penny Arcade now.

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cowwy wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

hey, i have an idea, unban people from ban waves 2-4, instead of a straight ban, give people a warning, no matter what they did, and/or fix the store so people don't have to exploit glitches to get some ultra-rares.
problems solved.

1. maybe sum ppl don't go on the forums
2. warning is STILL better
3. actually read my last part, fix the store so people don't have to exploit glitches to get some ultra-rares
4. if you don't the playerbase WILL keep shrinking.
5. if i ever get banned i will kill myself, over 1000 games over 500 VERY painful hours of the crappy store.

1. They take that into account when dishing out punishment.
2. Debatable, and they do warn people, it depends on the severity of their "crime", so to speak
3. They can't "fix" the store because nothing is broken. It's simple probability and saying people "need" to cheat to get ultra rares is a little dramatic, don't 'cha think?
4. It'll probably shrink regardless, but people here will keep at the very least a small community going
5. That's an interesting thing to state on a forum, if you are that invested in this game where being banned would cause thoughts of suicide, than you need professional help (I'm not joking about this). However I'm assuming you're kidding and using everyone's favorite literary device, hyperbole.

i'm going to second number 5.   i hope you are being hyperbolic here...... otherwise, i seriously suggest getting in touch with a therapist...  maybe even an addiction counselor (for some reason i can't remember how to spell that right now...) video game addiction can be real.  heck, anything that causes dopamine release can be addicting (sex, shopping ,etc.)  If you're not exagerating, i would seriously suggest seeing a doctor.  being too invested in things like this is dangerous, bad for your health (mental and physical) and bad for your life -- and cheater or not, i think we would be mortified (but probably at least publicly innapropriately unsympathetic) to find that someone from BSN took their own life

[Bryan Johnson]

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

I'm really glad to hear that. At least they're swingin' that ol' hammer with a bit of a soul. Some companies aren't so nice.

I'm pretty sure that they've always been kinda lenient with the ban hammer. They always look for extenuating circumstances when deciding what kind of punishment to dole out. They look at things such as; whether or not the person abuses the glitch, or simply stumbled upon it, whether or not they self report themselves, and whether or not they go on the BSN.

Indeed we do, we are not cut and dry. There are a few people on this forum that I see that we have had reason to ban but haven't. I wont say names but they know who they are.

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[Bryan Johnson]

Cyonan wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There is a video series that is on the top of my head that used to be on the escapist where the person talks about the industry. I would recommend you watch some of them to find out what it is like because I can assure you it is vastly different working with software then it is working with construction.

Are you by chance talking about Extra Creditz?

They're actually on Penny Arcade now.

Thank you, the particular episode I wanted to link is "So you want to be a producer"

[Mindlog]

genocidal villain wrote...
If you want to ban people over exploiting something that's not part of the gameplay mechanics then you might as well ban people who abuses "corner peeking" or reload canceling. If I can peek through a corner and shoot my target when it can't even hit me that's exploiting the game mechanics especially since it's not part of core gameplay.

The minute another player reload cancels or corner peeks in such a way that I can't have any fun then I'll be in favor of banning that too.

Until then if someone plans on missile glitching I hope they have the common decency to host a private game. Stop wasting my time with this missile glitching idiocy.

Modifié par Mindlog, 27 octobre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Elindile]

um out of curiosity does anyone ever read the terms of service. I'll admit out of every device/ software ive ever bought i ve just clicked agree/ok, behaved, and not looked back  

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genocidal villain wrote...

modok8 wrote...

genocidal villain wrote...

Let's face it, banning people over any glitch and claiming it is an unfair advantage for other players is just not plausible. Why? If everyone can do it, then it is considered fair.

Everyone is capable of commiting murder, does that mean it is okay?

I could make a lot of assumptions about this.

Is murder wrong in today's society? Yes.

Would people agree my justification for murdering rapists, child molesters, terrorists and other forms of bad people in the world. Yes

doesn't matter if people sympethized with your justification, you'd still go to prison just the same.
there is such a thing a justifiable homicide.   It's a mitigating factor in a murder case.   you come home to find someone raping and dismembering your family and you go "too far" in disabling them (perfectly legal) and drag them downstairs and spend the next 30 minutes beating them to death -- that's full on homicide.... but the "justifiable homicide" defense (assuming ir emember all this correctly) would essentially downgrade your crime to something akin to manslaughter.  prison time? probably...  probably more like 5-10 instead of 25 to life ... probation? definitely
And if your'e taking about random rapists, child molestors, et al. well... the BEST you'll get from a VERY sympathetic jury is a downgrading of each of your offenses from first to second degree murder...  or voluntary manslaughter (though the years would rack up fast)....   (Also bear in mind that while rape and child molestation are horrible horrible thigns, these are people with horrible compulsions that they generally have limited control over -- and you judge them worthy of death ----  at least here, in the case of the missile glitch, it's an entirely deliberate act and they're just being kicked out of the 'public pool' so to speak.  Why? because they are ruining the game for everyone else)

[cowwy]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

I'm really glad to hear that. At least they're swingin' that ol' hammer with a bit of a soul. Some companies aren't so nice.

I'm pretty sure that they've always been kinda lenient with the ban hammer. They always look for extenuating circumstances when deciding what kind of punishment to dole out. They look at things such as; whether or not the person abuses the glitch, or simply stumbled upon it, whether or not they self report themselves, and whether or not they go on the BSN.

Indeed we do, we are not cut and draw. There are a few people on this forum that I see that we have had reason to ban but haven't. I wont say names but they know who they are.

Oooooo, Bryan has seeeecrets.  

Anyway I really appreciate you taking time out of your day (especially when you're off work), to talk to people and assuage some of their concerns about the game. I've never really been on a lot of forums, but it seems that you guys are some of the most involved with the community, and that's why I'm going to keep playing this game until the servers are shut down. Also I just got a Wraith and I'm super excited about it.

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[quote]ProtheanN7 wrote...

[quote]megabeast37215 wrote...

[quote]calavash wrote...
You work to hard   but any ways I think you guys are doing great no matter wht anyone thinks[/quote]

They damn sure are. I have nothing but admiration for the job they've done... but making a mistake and putting it on the players to clean up BW's mess... that's just bad business. Really bad...[/quote

the missile glitch is not BW's mess........ they didn't design weapons with charge so unskill players could exploit the gameplay....... every missile glitcher deserves to be ban......

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err... pretty sure megabeast 6000 was referring to the "number of the beast" glitch (6/6/6/6/6) rather than the missile glitch. 

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Bryan Johnson wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

I'm really glad to hear that. At least they're swingin' that ol' hammer with a bit of a soul. Some companies aren't so nice.

I'm pretty sure that they've always been kinda lenient with the ban hammer. They always look for extenuating circumstances when deciding what kind of punishment to dole out. They look at things such as; whether or not the person abuses the glitch, or simply stumbled upon it, whether or not they self report themselves, and whether or not they go on the BSN.

Indeed we do, we are not cut and dry. There are a few people on this forum that I see that we have had reason to ban but haven't. I wont say names but they know who they are.

aw man this is good.  like they've been warned and have since knocked it off?
heheh. 

Now what i want to know....  those people who have been spared the banhammer of justice - are they the ones arguing against bans?  arguing for "ban em all"? or throwing a big fit about how "bioware is a stupid rip off meanypants!"

[Havok1369]

This is the most amazing topic I have read since I began coming here.

First off, I cannot even wrap my head around the fact that so many people view abusing the well established standards as ok and in many cases vehemently promote doing it, and for what? UR stuff? To them I would say this, it is a video game, it is entertainment.
Secondly, to the people that rant about the bugs and insinuate that BW is taking no action, really? You can seriously say that with a straight face? Just over 6 months since release, half a year. 4 patches, 4 or 5 DLC releases, single player weapon expansions into MP, double the maps, a entire new enemy faction, shall I go on? Oh and they still check the boards, respond to both the legitimate questions, as well as constantly get crushed by people who only want to judge the quality of the product based on the bugs they encounter.
Finally, I would suggest to the people who lack the ability to say anything positive about the product, you obviously enjoy and play or why would you be posting, try to step back and appreciate the hard work and commitment that Brian and the other team members have to the MP experience. It should be abundantly clear that they really do care about giving us the best experience possible.

Short of any of that, sell your copy if the game infuriates you that much. Maybe someone else would appreciate it, and you could rid yourself of the stress.

Much love to the BW staff, and the other level headed BSN community members.