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[RedJohn]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Idon't have a problem with the missile glitchers being banned as thats an obvious abuse of a unintentinal bug but banning people for the six glitch is a little harsh. I had a friend who had the six glitch happen to two characters and he played with them wondering what was up. He wasn't looking for an advantage and when it happened I told him to contact BW so they wouldn't ban him for the glitch. He's not the type to cheat and when I told him the remedy he fixed it. It would be a shame for someone like him to get bvanned as he's a huge fan and really cares about the community.

Bryan has a post about that somewhere in this thread where he basically states that they're not going to ban people who accidently used it once or twice, they're going to ban people who realized that it was a glitch and abused it constantly to gain an advantage.

I'm really glad to hear that. At least they're swingin' that ol' hammer with a bit of a soul. Some companies aren't so nice.

I'm pretty sure that they've always been kinda lenient with the ban hammer. They always look for extenuating circumstances when deciding what kind of punishment to dole out. They look at things such as; whether or not the person abuses the glitch, or simply stumbled upon it, whether or not they self report themselves, and whether or not they go on the BSN.

Indeed we do, we are not cut and dry. There are a few people on this forum that I see that we have had reason to ban but haven't. I wont say names but they know who they are.

And also people who has been banned and then unbanned 

[Eriseley]

Kiernin wrote...

I think you are misunderstanding something here. I think you feel that the majority of the community actually cared about the Alliance goals in the past. The ONE time where we received a commendation pack from an Alliance goal, we completed that Operation. When the reward was some crappy pack that would be given to everyone regardless if you took part past your Squad completion or not, noone could be assed enough to bother. For the most part, the only times a Alliance goal is completed is when they happen to coincide with how people are already playing(delivery objective amounts, drone escorts, just plain extractions on ANY difficulty.)

Nah I know that, I would just figure that narrow completion %s don't necessarily mean the community is suffering from some bans or any other malady. BioWare has the metrics and they were, I would assume designing completion quotas based upon activity and measured interest. And I would think they'd want it somewhat close so it'd seem like a challenege.

[LeandroBraz]

I wont even finish reading it. It's unfair because I paid to play legitimately, and this is fun to me. A cheater will jeopardize my fun, since the glitches kill the proposal of the game. It's not fun to fall in a match, and see all enemies vanish with infinite missiles, or see one of the team out of the map, invencible, destroying how the game works. It kill what I paid for to have, and Bioware guarantee that I will get what I paid for, so if you can't respect others and keep the game fun and playable, well, goodbye and I hope I don't meet you in another game...

Modifié par LeandroBraz, 27 octobre 2012 - 04:55 .

[LeandroBraz]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

hey, i have an idea, unban people from ban waves 2-4, instead of a straight ban, give people a warning, no matter what they did, and/or fix the store so people don't have to exploit glitches to get some ultra-rares.
problems solved.

1. maybe sum ppl don't go on the forums
2. warning is STILL better
3. actually read my last part, fix the store so people don't have to exploit glitches to get some ultra-rares
4. if you don't the playerbase WILL keep shrinking.
5. if i ever get banned i will kill myself, over 1000 games over 500 VERY painful hours of the crappy store.

The entirity of your post seems to sum up to "Ignorance is an excuse" when any of the warnings we provide are more than sufficient. 
Fix the store in what way, because it doesn't work how you expect it to, it is broken? The best analogy I can think of is, I work hard to buy a car but it isnt the best car available so I am perfectly justified stealing a car? Then when I get caught they will just tell me not to do it again. 

Yah your right when we ban people the player base will shrink, that is math. I would rather have a smaller player base of non cheaters than a player base of base that is mixed.

I mean if you are cheating yourself everything then what does that earn BioWare as a company? Certainly not any profit from buying card packs, not the appearance that we deal with people who break our rules. All it costs us is money we are paying for servers for these players to continue to break our rules. This certainly feels like a very much win-lose scenario.

If you have a gripe against me because I banned you 2 days ago, then please take a step back and think.

The player base would shrink a lot more if you don't ban them, since people won't keep playing if every lobby have a cheater, at least I would stop playing.

Don't want to follow the rules? Goodbye, I heard Borderlands 2 is a nice game, you should try =D

[Rip504]

cowwy wrote...



P.S. For the lulz I'm pretty sure Bioware will always be "contempt" to release a buggy product, they will just never be "content" with it. {smilie}

Yea I noticed that misspelling after the fact. Lol I decided to let it be.  (embarrassing,I am not a great speller by any means. Spell Check Thank You very much!)


I agree it should be considered a bannable offense. I am also saying part of the responsibility does fall upon BW for releasing it into the community. Yea the player is abusing it,but BW released it and has yet to fix it. They should hold some of the responsibility for negatively affecting some of the player base.

ErrorTagUnknown wrote...

I understand Bryan. I am in no way attacking BW. Or saying writing and understanding code is easy. I have already stated I can not.   I fully understand as to why software comes with bugs/glitches etc. I also understand time constraints etc.

Error If it is an issue I created and it has occurred within my 10 year warranty,then yes I do fix it for free. Also there are deadlines in Construction. I was using construction as an example of a perfect product being very viable. Taken out of context,then yes it is slightly absurd to compare the two.

 I am sharing opinions. I am in no way trying to insult BW or any users for their personal opinions. Just trying to share mine.

Obviously BW does not want to release Bugs etc.

BW & Bethesda are my two fav developers. I consider them far above their respected competition. I will still hold them accountable for both their good and bad.

Modifié par Rip504, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:09 .

[Gerza71]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Which glitches are bannable offenses, exactly? Seems unfair if a small glitch may get a player banned unknowingly.

This must be the 6/6/6/6/6 glitch.

Dose this happen after we promote our characters excluding Retaliation characters (I don't have any Retaliation and new characters after Retaliation DLC is released.) or this happens only to Retaliation characters or all characters?

I have not come across this glitch. Pass last week (between 20-27th) I been leveling two characters in different classes. I usually do 6/0/6/6/6 or 0/6/6/6/6 but not this 6/6/6/6/6 because the game did not allow me to do it.

Now I been warned and know about it. If it happens to I and the game allow me to do and been warned not to do it then I will not do it.

But if a player are warn about this and told not to use this but they use it, they be using it at their own risk and there will be consequences. Also they are weak.

If a player is not warned by the glitch by not going into the forums but knows how the game works and come across it and say to themselves 'This not right' and report it without using it and reports to tech about it and they type don't use it, that player will not use it. Mostly wishful thinking there Gerza.

But that said player dose use it without reporting it and keeps on using it and using it and game will not launch and report that to tech about it and tech say 'you using that glitch and did not report this to us. Sorry you banned.'
The player: But the game allow me to use it.
Tech: That is no excuse. You should of went into the forums.
Well that is tough cookies (I was going to use another word. A certain parts of a girls body on the chest but I don't want to get banned) then. That player knowing or not should go to the forums to see what is going on with the game.

The glitches I been seeing AI clipping glitches. Sometime when I am at a warm embrace of a banshee I been press melee wiggles myself from it. I have not been banned from that. Yet.

[DJ Airsurfer]

bydoritos wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Which glitches are bannable offenses, exactly? Seems unfair if a small glitch may get a player banned unknowingly.

read this

Ah, thanks. Well then, I have nothing to worry about. Hopefully.. :I

[MajorStupidity]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There is a video series that is on the top of my head that used to be on the escapist where the person talks about the industry. I would recommend you watch some of them to find out what it is like because I can assure you it is vastly different working with software then it is working with construction.

Are you by chance talking about Extra Creditz?

They're actually on Penny Arcade now.

Thank you, the particular episode I wanted to link is "So you want to be a producer"

Love their show. Especially the episodes on power creep and perfect unbalance

[SavagelyEpic]

genocidal villain wrote...

modok8 wrote...

genocidal villain wrote...

Let's face it, banning people over any glitch and claiming it is an unfair advantage for other players is just not plausible. Why? If everyone can do it, then it is considered fair.

Everyone is capable of commiting murder, does that mean it is okay?

I could make a lot of assumptions about this.

Is murder wrong in today's society? Yes.

Would people agree my justification for murdering rapists, child molesters, terrorists and other forms of bad people in the world. Yes

Can I just say you're a complete moron here?

No, people would not agree with your justification for murdering anyone. Murder is murder.

What you have stated is an acceptable defense in exactly ZERO countries and societies in the entire world.

The fact that you think otherwise tells me you are either severely delusional or you have some seriously disturbing issues. You're an idiot.

[Nova-SheperdXD]

No-one cares, less ****ing more playing.

[Dorryn]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There was a serenity quote I wanted to use here when Mal meets the agent for the first time, but cant remember it.

"Captain Reynolds, I should tell you so that you don't waste your time... You can't make me angry."

Did you mean that one Bryan?

[UTK_VBall55]

Count Silvershroud wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Exploiting glitches is violating the Terms of Use that you agreed to when you first started up the game.

You can be banned.
.

This.  You signed an agreement saying that you wouldn't exploit glitches when you installed the game.  If you exploit glitches, you are breaking your agreement, which means that they have the abillity to ban you.  Fortunately for cheaters, they are nice enough not to ban you from single player as well.

Lol are you freaking serious?

There's no reason why it would be ok to ban people from single player.

I know you enjoying putting down somebody that you see as a whiny cheater, but lets not turn around and say it's totally cool for EA to ban people from single player games that they paid for.

[joker_jack]

UTK_VBall55 wrote...

Count Silvershroud wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Exploiting glitches is violating the Terms of Use that you agreed to when you first started up the game.

You can be banned.
.

This.  You signed an agreement saying that you wouldn't exploit glitches when you installed the game.  If you exploit glitches, you are breaking your agreement, which means that they have the abillity to ban you.  Fortunately for cheaters, they are nice enough not to ban you from single player as well.

Lol are you freaking serious?

There's no reason why it would be ok to ban people from single player.

I know you enjoying putting down somebody that you see as a whiny cheater, but lets not turn around and say it's totally cool for EA to ban people from single player games that they paid for.

Thankfully this isn't sony.

[Ham411]

There's two sides to it really. One that bioware police it and what they say goes and the other being that they should just fix it once and for all if they don't want it used. Unintentional or not it is their fault that that glitch exists so they should make a proper attempt at fixing it, not some half ass change to a specific weapon every two weeks. And coming out and saying "oh, we're lazy" isn't what was suggested, more that when you have a problem that causes such a split in the community you should make fixing the problem your priority over other areas.

[Tibbur]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Geth Platforms wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Hmm we are lazy, interesting.

well you guys didnt fix ML glitch, change all charge gun, i think you mess up kyrase even more, because you cant double shoot it anymroe, before anyone say anything, bioware say it ok, and you guys only came out two patchs and some patchs bring new glitch,( unable to SS altas) and when is that getting fix? next patchs? in another 6 months? op have some point, other then that you guys are great

We did fix it, we fixed the original one.
Here is an example, you go to the doctor for a flu he gives you medicine to help you with that flu. 
In the meantime you catch another type of flu. From the outside the doctor did exactly what he was supposed to and help you get better for the original flu but from the outside looking in you still have the flu.


Now I don't mean to be rude have you ever tried to write software? It isn't easy.

Then there is this question,

How many programmers are on the team vs before launch?
How well do those programmers know the systems they now have to work on that they didnt before?
What are you even allowed to do in a patch?
What is the target audience affect?
How severe is the issue?

Yes from the outside looking in things may seem one way but there are a lot of questions that people don't think of that we have to consider and weigh.

This is one of the reason I have been so active as of late is to try and educate people what it is like working in the industry.

Yeah i know wxactly how frustrating it is even with java scripting and html. I was trying to get a drop down menu to work but i kept getting an error after hours i fixed that error but fixing that error caused 5 more errors lol.

head against the wall type stuff.

[Shakespeare212]

Ham411 wrote...

There's two sides to it really. One that bioware police it and what they say goes and the other being that they should just fix it once and for all if they don't want it used. Unintentional or not it is their fault that that glitch exists so they should make a proper attempt at fixing it, not some half ass change to a specific weapon every two weeks. And coming out and saying "oh, we're lazy" isn't what was suggested, more that when you have a problem that causes such a split in the community you should make fixing the problem your priority over other areas.

There are NOT two sides to the argument.  Cheating is cheating.  Anything else is a rationalization.  There is no split in the community.  There are players and there are cheaters who refuse to take responsibility for their griefing behavior that violates the terms of service.

[MercenaryNo]

OP logic = It's wrong to convict a serial rapist if he only gets his victims in houses they didn't properly lock.

/thread

Modifié par MercenaryNo, 27 octobre 2012 - 04:32 .

[I_pity_the_fool]

Only on the BSN could an OP this stupid get 8 pages of reply.

[Mookiemook85]

go sit in a corner with your back to the class and think about what you did

[Tristam25]

Everyone can use steroids at the Olympics, but it's still illegal. So, using your logic, if contestants can do something like that and they don't do it, it's thier loss.

Bioware says no missile glitch
People do it
They get banned

(read in Batman voice): JUSTICE!

Don't blame Bioware for people getting banned. People have free will; it's thier fault. You can know about a glitch and not do it.

[rmccowen]

Shakespeare212 wrote...

Ham411 wrote...

There's two sides to it really...

There are NOT two sides to the argument.  Cheating is cheating.  Anything else is a rationalization.  There is no split in the community.  There are players and there are cheaters who refuse to take responsibility for their griefing behavior that violates the terms of service.

This is very well said.

[ray12a]

If you guys could code as well as you pass the buck, we, or rather you, wouldn't be having these problems.

It seems like you guys are just about incapable of implementing features without screwing up something else in the process. How much are you paying your QA testers? Do you guys even play the game? I cannot begin to comprehend the majority of blunders that get by a series of "qualified professionals". If he/ she/ they can't perform up to par, I'd be more than happy to take that job off of their hands.

My advice: Quit stalling. Quit lying. Enough with the mistakes, the rework and time squandering. Do your jobs. People are paying for your product, and these increasingly ridiculous shortcomings could end up costing you more than manhours.

[Shakespeare212]

ray12a wrote...

If you guys could code as well as you pass the buck, we, or rather you, wouldn't be having these problems.

It seems like you guys are just about incapable of implementing features without screwing up something else in the process. How much are you paying your QA testers? Do you guys even play the game? I cannot begin to comprehend the majority of blunders that get by a series of "qualified professionals". If he/ she/ they can't perform up to par, I'd be more than happy to take that job off of their hands.

My advice: Quit stalling. Quit lying. Enough with the mistakes, the rework and time squandering. Do your jobs. People are paying for your product, and these increasingly ridiculous shortcomings could end up costing you more than manhours.

And how many award-winning, record-breaking multi-player game franchises have you managed?

Your assessment means less than nothing.

[Mendelevosa]

So by the OP's logic, when a robber pickpockets money from a man on the streets, it is not the robber's fault, because the victim should have kept his money in a bank.

I cannot believe that such stupidity exists these days.

[Bryan Johnson]

ray12a wrote...

If you guys could code as well as you pass the buck, we, or rather you, wouldn't be having these problems.

It seems like you guys are just about incapable of implementing features without screwing up something else in the process. How much are you paying your QA testers? Do you guys even play the game? I cannot begin to comprehend the majority of blunders that get by a series of "qualified professionals". If he/ she/ they can't perform up to par, I'd be more than happy to take that job off of their hands.

My advice: Quit stalling. Quit lying. Enough with the mistakes, the rework and time squandering. Do your jobs. People are paying for your product, and these increasingly ridiculous shortcomings could end up costing you more than manhours.

Show me where I have lied. Show me a post where a programmer has passed the buck, please I am interested to talk to them.
Since you clear are after the QA testers we have, then tell me what in my job I could do better, and please be specific. 

You are attacking my personal integreity 

Here you go: http://www.bioware.com/careers

Modifié par Bryan Johnson, 27 octobre 2012 - 09:40 .