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[Sable Dove]

I was playing some bronze just to get some 'play x waves with y' challenges out of the way, and I realized  that the weapons are incredibly weak. I was playing with a max-level, uncommon weapon, with a high-level character, and two maxed weapon mods, and it felt about right for a caster class on Bronze. I can't imagine how much it must suck for new players, being unable to kill anything with less than about three clips.

Caster classes are relying mainly on their powers, yes, but while their powers are cooling down, they should be shooting. Only the weapons in the hands of anyone but a Soldier or Infiltrator don't do enough damage to justify slowing down power use. I know that the difference between 170% and 200% recharge speed is almost nothing, but a quarter of a second faster powers is far more appealing than just about any weapon. 

Casters should be able to at least kill mooks in one clip, or less, depending on the weapon, on at least Silver; Soldiers should be like gods with weapons, since they spend most of their time shooting, rather than casting.
As it is now, most weapons are just too weak or too heavy to really justify on a caster, and soldiers and infiltrators just make most weapons feel as powerful as they should be on casters.

Basically, it comes down to enemies having far too much health. It doesn't make the game harder (for the most part); just more tedious. I want to play a third-person shooter, not a JRPG. Cut down on their health, and any unit they reduce the health of, reduce their cost in the wave budget. Let us face more, less-beefy enemies. That, or buff most of the weapons so that they can kill mooks at a reasonable pace.

The difficulty in Gold and Platinum (and Silver, to a lesser extent) has nothing to do with 'I didnt' kill thet enemy in time' and more 'I got sync-killed,' 'We got bum-rushed by Dragoons,' or 'I tried to run from one piece of cover to another and a trooper killed me instantly because they do ridiculously high damage and my shieldgate is virtually nonexistent.' 

[Sable Dove]

One bump for fast forums.

[Atheosis]

No.

[Distilled Poison]

Carebears and hand holding.

[mumba]

Got any more of the stuff you've been smoking? I'm dying to try it, now.

[The Wayward Vagabond]

get skill scrub

[Airealite]

Casters can't kill things in one clip because they're supposed to kill things with one blast of a power. Casters are not soldiers.

/thread

[cuzIMgood]

Atheosis wrote...

No.

[Lamiaaa]

I can practically solo silver at level 1 using a carnifex

[Epique Phael767]

cuzIMgood wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

No.

[Sable Dove]

So I'm guessing no one actually read the post. You know, about how the only thing it would change is making the game less tedious, while not impacting difficulty at all. Because clearly my dislike for having to shoot the same enemy for 15 seconds straight to kill them means that I'm bad at the game.

That's definitely why I want the game to be more fun, while also being no more or less difficult. Because I'm bad. I mean, the only reason I could possibly want to have more fun is because I suck, right?

Excuse me while I roll my eyes.

Modifié par Sable Dove, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:34 .

[Mendelevosa]

Sable Dove wrote...
I was playing some bronze just to get some 'play x waves with y' challenges out of the way, and I realized  that the weapons are incredibly weak. 

Stopped reading right there and lost all credibility. I cannot take you serously if you going to complain about a weapon
being too weak in bronze. 

Oh and a caster with 200%+ cooldown does not need to fire a shot.

[Airealite]

Sable Dove wrote...

So I'm guessing no one actually read the post. You know, about how the only thing it would change is making the game less tedious, while not impacting difficulty at all. Because clearly my dislike for having to shoot the same enemy for 15 seconds straight to kill them means that I'm bad at the game.

That's definitely why I want the game to be more fun, while also being no more difficult. Because I'm bad. I mean, the only reason I could possibly want to have more fun is because I suck, right?

Excuse me while I roll my eyes.

I'm not even going to dignify that with an intelligent response.

[DeathScepter]

what mods are you using?

What gear slot are you using?



and yes you are playing it wrong and you should feel bad.

[Solmanian]

Try aiming at their heads. I hear it does extra damage! By my estimate enemies in bronze have about half the health of enemies in insanity. You know how it feels shooting a cerberus trooper, the lowest of the goddamn mooks, with a sniper rifle in the head and still only taking half his health? I played silver with the valiant today and it was a massacre, I got like half the kills.

[Sable Dove]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Sable Dove wrote...
I was playing some bronze just to get some 'play x waves with y' challenges out of the way, and I realized  that the weapons are incredibly weak. 

Stopped reading right there and lost all credibility. I cannot take you serously if you going to complain about a weapon
being too weak in bronze. 

Oh and a caster with 200%+ cooldown does not need to fire a shot.

Well good thing you stopped right before the part where I said it wasn't too weak for bronze, and thus assuming that I said the opposite of what I actually did say. Nice work bolstering my faith in humanity.

Also, the problem is that there is absolutely no reason for a caster to not have 200% recharge speed. No weapon is worth the penalty except the Acolyte, and it can basically be taken by anyone with no penalty at all. 

[vonSlash]

Airealite wrote...

Casters can't kill things in one clip because they're supposed to kill things with one blast of a power. Casters are not soldiers.

/thread

Aside from classes that have passive powers that boost weapon performance (Destroyer, Human Soldier, Turian Soldier, GI), the only difference in weapon damage between a pure caster and a weapons expert is a 17.5% base damage boost and a 20% extra headshot damage bonus. Not that significant, honestly, unless you're using one of a few weapons where a tiny bit of extra damage will make or break their performance (like the Revenant or the Wraith).

[Red Panda]

I endorse this thread. 5 stars.


Player buffs are always welcome in a game meant to induce rage.

[TheImmortalBeaver]

I alternate between casters and weapon users, and I do fine as both. So, no. If you're relying on a gun for damage as a casting class, rather than a backup, you're playing the entire game wrong. Simple as that.

[spirosz]

Yeah, no.

[Julian Skies]

Sable Dove, what weapon were you using?
What you are mentioning is very visible on 'large clip size' weapons, meant to fire a lot of times. For weapons with smaller clip sizes like sniper rifles and shotguns, you take as much as half a clip to a thing on Silver. (hear me, i'm a bronze player, sometimes go to silver)

That is also the reason, despite liking rapid-fire weapos for the style, I do not particularly like using them, I like to feel the damage I deal with every shot.

[DullahansXMark]

It REALLY depends on what weapon you were using. Was it the Incisor, Scimitar, or Locust? If so, then... well, DUH.

[QseftJohn]

And I though I was doing quite well with my mattock 10 on my reave spamming justicar on gold

[Xaijin]

You have got to be kidding.

The weapons are balanced by color to difficulty.

I mean, as of Retaliation, they're literally color coded for difficulty and set up.

Weapons are actually as a rule, STRONGER than powers unless your character is a strong self detonator.

They also acts as a super combo utilities.

Your logic is baffling.

The balance between power and weapons is like balancing every character, no, perfection will never be achieved, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be refined and attempted.

Right now weapons as a whole > powers, even with buffed splosions.

[DullahansXMark]

I just highlighted the OP. Couldn't find any hidden messages like mine tend to contain.