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[CuriousArtemis]

Palipride47 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...
... Maybe if you post more men in kilts? 

*delicious snip*
(I had to, it's David Tennant )

Nice  He has a bit of a derpy, nerdy look to him doesn't he 

Haha I just had a thought. Imagine if women in our (US because I'm from the US) military had to wear a different uniform than male soldiers LOL Corsets for female soldiers! Heels! Lipstick! Pencil skirts! 

[TheJediSaint]

As a matter of practicability, armor and other combat-appropriate outfits should be largely gender neutral.

Differentiation between men's and women's clothing probably would only make sense with "casual" wear, assuming it's implemented in DAI like it was in Mass Effect. If so, hopefully there will be a number of options available to the player in regards to how they dress their PC. So those player who feel the need to dress their characters in a skirt (men or women) can do so.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 03 novembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Isn't... this why mods exist? I understand the problem, but it's not like it isn't that hard to fix.

[Mike_Neel]

I'm still waiting for a Red Sonja inspired armor set. It provides both tactical protection while still allowing for all the maneuverability and movement needed for close quarters combat.

It's really the only way to go I think.

[Lenimph]

esper wrote...

I just don't ever want to see my  hero in a corset. It is an intrusment of torture which she doesn't need.

Once upon trying out a corset that was made for my body type I thought it was more comfortable then any bra I've ever worn.  

I didn't buy it because they wanted like 200 bucks but...  
There is a difference between a "waist training corset" and the corset you would have seen on an everyday lady back in the day, which pretty much had the function of a modern day bra.  If not completely tightened a corset is not that bad and shouldnt restrain your movement and like mentioned THEDAS has MAGIC so as far as we know they can have the clothing materials to make a very comfortable corset.

In Thedas they also have rediculously sized 2 handed weapons and armor that makes no sense (the champions armor).   I don't see why "impractical corsets would be so hard to add.  

[Harle Cerulean]

Lenimph wrote...

esper wrote...

I just don't ever want to see my  hero in a corset. It is an intrusment of torture which she doesn't need.

Once upon trying out a corset that was made for my body type I thought it was more comfortable then any bra I've ever worn.  

I didn't buy it because they wanted like 200 bucks but...  
There is a difference between a "waist training corset" and the corset you would have seen on an everyday lady back in the day, which pretty much had the function of a modern day bra.  If not completely tightened a corset is not that bad and shouldnt restrain your movement and like mentioned THEDAS has MAGIC so as far as we know they can have the clothing materials to make a very comfortable corset.

In Thedas they also have rediculously sized 2 handed weapons and armor that makes no sense (the champions armor).   I don't see why "impractical corsets would be so hard to add.  

While it's true that as supportive garments, and not constricting garments, corsets are not uncomfortable, that doesn't make them appropriate battle attire for anyone but, say, a mage, who may have spells to ward damage and thus not need armor.  And honestly, I'd love to see mages go into battle at least lightly armoured, but I'd be okay with them not.

But I strongly, vehemently oppose turning actual armour into sexy, useless attire designed for showing off breasts and butts, not for being armour.  A woman in combat isn't worrying about whether or not her opponent thinks she's hot, ffs.  She's worrying about surviving.  And no, "Oh, but she could distract her opponent with her breasts!" is not a workable excuse for revealing armour.  Most opponents are not going to be distracted - they're fighting for their lives too.   Only an utter amateur would actually be distracted by a flash of cleavage in a serious fight.  And hey,  some may not even be interested in breasts! 

I appreciated, very much, that DA2 left DA:O's scoop-neckline "armour" behind.  I love Isabela, and the way she dresses does suit her and she can sort of get away with it since her fighting style revolves around not being hit, but that's a singular case, and while a rogue PC might end up being a duelist and able to claim something similar, not all rogues will be - and spec-specific armour?  Very, very unlikely.

Leave pretty, dressy stuff to casual wear, if it even exists in the game.  Make armour armour. 

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 03 novembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[Lenimph]

I never said it should be used in battle attire nor suggesting that all armor should be turned into corsets I was merely saying that corsets are not torture devices.

Using realism however as an argument to keep them out of the game, in any which way, makes absolutely no sense. Whether it be for casual attire or a mage or rogues (archer maybe) semi battle attire (a leather outfit with a some kind of waist cinch or even a busted corset actually seems more practical then just robes) when there are other things in the game that are grossly unrealistic (again the 2h weapon design)

[esper]

Lenimph wrote...

esper wrote...

I just don't ever want to see my  hero in a corset. It is an intrusment of torture which she doesn't need.

Once upon trying out a corset that was made for my body type I thought it was more comfortable then any bra I've ever worn.  

I didn't buy it because they wanted like 200 bucks but...  
There is a difference between a "waist training corset" and the corset you would have seen on an everyday lady back in the day, which pretty much had the function of a modern day bra.  If not completely tightened a corset is not that bad and shouldnt restrain your movement and like mentioned THEDAS has MAGIC so as far as we know they can have the clothing materials to make a very comfortable corset.

In Thedas they also have rediculously sized 2 handed weapons and armor that makes no sense (the champions armor).   I don't see why "impractical corsets would be so hard to add.  

Fair enough, but when I read the word corset I think off those monsters the stuffed women in back in the day it was in which quite frankly ruined their body and it would be that association I would get if my main characther was stuffed into one.

Hence I do not want to see it.

[Lenimph]

esper wrote...

Fair enough, but when I read the word corset I think off those monsters the stuffed women in back in the day it was in which quite frankly ruined their body and it would be that association I would get if my main characther was stuffed into one.

Hence I do not want to see it.

No one was forcing women into wearing corsets 

Modifié par Lenimph, 03 novembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[esper]

Lenimph wrote...

esper wrote...

Fair enough, but when I read the word corset I think off those monsters the stuffed women in back in the day it was in which quite frankly ruined their body and it would be that association I would get if my main characther was stuffed into one.

Hence I do not want to see it.

No one was forcing women into wearing corsets 

Being forced by society's norms are still being forced, you know. I know it was not as bad as hollywood shows it, but it was still bad enough and damaged the women's body.

[DadeLeviathan]

I think they should give you the option to choose your "special" attire. Not every person is going to want their male protagonist dressed in a suit, not every woman is going to want theirs dressed in a frilly dress.

[Lenimph]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

I think they should give you the option to choose your "special" attire. Not every person is going to want their male protagonist dressed in a suit, not every woman is going to want theirs dressed in a frilly dress.

Of course... I liked the MOTA outfit for examply for one of my Lady Hawkes but certainly not for my other mage Lady Hawke who wore prettier things on an everyday bases. 

[Joe25]

I just what the old mage robes (male and female) back. There was elf in DA2 with my warden's robe on and I coulden't even loot it.

[Wynne]

Being not just a woman (and a Project Runway fan of sorts) but also a roleplayer (D&D, Vampire: the Masquerade, and of course plenty of video games), I have conflicting reactions to the original post: 

• Nonconformist, Practical Gamer Me: "Oh, come on, that's ridiculous. It's a game, not Project Runway. What a massive load of nonsense. Women shouldn't have to wear frilly dresses! It's grand if a woman can look sensible and badass and not conform to the traditional model. Besides, I play games, not interactive fashion shows!"

• Fashion-Conscious, PC-Protective Me: "Ugh, those colors! They're seriously the Wal-Mart uniform colors I had to wear years ago, how plebeian! Is there anything more atrocious than BERRY underneath SKY BLUE and DUNG BROWN? And the cut! So shapeless! Those stripes in the middle make her look so bulky! Why didn't they just dress her in a POTATO SACK? It would at least show off her shape a little bit! *glare*"

I guess if I dissect those conflicting elements, the conclusion I come to is this: A small scene at the gate where the player is required to either acquiesce to wearing formal attire or refuse and instead wear armor would not be out of order. It's one of those little things that make replays so rewarding, and first playthroughs feel like they're tailored to you. It's a character detail, a roleplaying opportunity, and one that matters to the player, making the subsequent scenes imprinted with a feeling of "I've expressed who this character is." Hell, it could certainly make an impression on your companions as to who they're dealing with, as well.
I want to play a badass warrior woman who would menace any idiot who tried to touch her with a ribbon and stride in wearing full dragonscale, and I want to play a girly mage who would jump at the chance to wear a shimmering gown and feel like a princess. Both sides are part of me. I'd love it if I could express them both in the game world. (Possibly also a rogue, who would compromise and wear a pretty but unremarkable dress to blend in.) 

You could replace class with origin, but the intent remains the same: roleplaying opportunities are pretty much never bad.

[Maria Caliban]

The idea that a competent woman wearing pants is more non-traditional or gender non-conformist than a competent woman wearing a dress is arguable.

I'd say that a good chunk of fantasy sees femininity as stupid and silly, and so the only time women can be taken seriously is if they reject feminine things. This has the double effect of distancing 'cool girls' from the vast majority of women and supporting the idea of masculine superiority.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 03 novembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[Wynne]

True, this isn't our universe, but I had the sense that Rowan and Evangeline were the exception in theirs. 

I don't think femininity is inherently stupid and silly. But wearing a frilly dress to a ball isn't exactly nonconformist; it's traditional for a woman to do so. However, I was thinking more in the sense of social conventions than gender conventions. Dressing up for a party is something both genders are expected to do, and to wear casual clothing or a uniform is more sensible/nonconformist in my view.

Regardless, I think a woman who wears a dress because she wants to is a stronger woman than one who wears a dress because she's afraid what people will think if she doesn't. And it's harder to know the difference on sight, whereas a woman who wears something atypical is more immediately identifiable as liberated. Or quirky. Or antisocial. Take your pick. 

Modifié par Wynne, 03 novembre 2012 - 10:06 .

[Squeeze the Fish]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Isn't... this why mods exist? I understand the problem, but it's not like it isn't that hard to fix.

Mods only exist to 1/3 of the gaming platforms, so no, it's not hard, it's impossible for some of us.

*waves hand*

Alas. 

[CuriousArtemis]

esper wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

No one was forcing women into wearing corsets 

Being forced by society's norms are still being forced, you know. I know it was not as bad as hollywood shows it, but it was still bad enough and damaged the women's body.

Not wearing a corset in the latter part of the nineteenth century was basically akin to going topless! Even prostitutes wore them. Pregnant women wore them! They were uncomfortable and injurious to a person's body; the least they would do was cause a person to faint because she could not fully inflate her lungs when breathing. But they also caused problems with the internal organs, such as GI tract problems (because they literally squished your gut together).

Modifié par motomotogirl, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:01 .

[Brohammed]

This topic is like demanding the male PC will fight in a tuxedo.

[dversion]

Brohammed wrote...

This topic is like demanding the male PC will fight in a tuxedo.

Make this happen BioWare or I'll boycott! BOYCOTT I SAY!

[Swagger7]

motomotogirl wrote...

esper wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

No one was forcing women into wearing corsets 

Being forced by society's norms are still being forced, you know. I know it was not as bad as hollywood shows it, but it was still bad enough and damaged the women's body.

Not wearing a corset in the latter part of the nineteenth century was basically akin to going topless! Even prostitutes wore them. Pregnant women wore them! They were uncomfortable and injurious to a person's body; the least they would do was cause a person to faint because she could not fully inflate her lungs when breathing. But they also caused problems with the internal organs, such as GI tract problems (because they literally squished your gut together).

You should really read that linked article.  Almost everything you just said was hilariously wrong.  I have a cousin who wears corsets.  She has back problems and got tired of wearing a back brace and decided to try a corset instead.  She says that it's very comfortable, not at all painful, and that she'd keep waering one even if her back problems went away.  Oh, by the way, she laces it quite tight and is still able to breathe (and even run) fine.

EDIT:  I forgot to include that she claims that the corset is even better for her back than the brace was, because it also supports her bust, keeping weight off her shoulders.

Modifié par Swagger7, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Swagger7 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

esper wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

No one was forcing women into wearing corsets 

Being forced by society's norms are still being forced, you know. I know it was not as bad as hollywood shows it, but it was still bad enough and damaged the women's body.

Not wearing a corset in the latter part of the nineteenth century was basically akin to going topless! Even prostitutes wore them. Pregnant women wore them! They were uncomfortable and injurious to a person's body; the least they would do was cause a person to faint because she could not fully inflate her lungs when breathing. But they also caused problems with the internal organs, such as GI tract problems (because they literally squished your gut together).

You should really read that linked article.  Almost everything you just said was hilariously wrong.  I have a cousin who wears corsets.  She has back problems and got tired of wearing a back brace and decided to try a corset instead.  She says that it's very comfortable, not at all painful, and that she'd keep waering one even if her back problems went away.  Oh, by the way, she laces it quite tight and is still able to breathe (and even run) fine.

EDIT:  I forgot to include that she claims that the corset is even better for her back than the brace was, because it also supports her bust, keeping weight off her shoulders.

My aunt does the same thing for the same reason. And I wear corsets to Rocky Horror! While they're not the easiest things to drive in, I can breathe just fine as well as run. I have a leather and cloth corset, both I can move around in just fine while wearing them. And after my car accident I got a few back problems - my corsets ease the pain.

In short, I have no problem - and would even support - corset choices in DA3.

[labargegrrrl]

Brohammed wrote...

This topic is like demanding the male PC will fight in a tuxedo.

suddenly having visons of james bond/da protaganist hybrids...:innocent:

[Emzamination]

Good to know I can't just wear a skirt or dress in public because I like it, without sending some subliminal social strata conformist message.Feminist...Can't live with them, can live without them.

[Patchwork]

labargegrrrl wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

This topic is like demanding the male PC will fight in a tuxedo.

suddenly having visons of james bond/da protaganist hybrids...:innocent:

I see the PC more as Tuxedo Mask, a cape, throwing roses and cheesy speaches. It'll be fun