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[CuriousArtemis]

Almost everything I said was hilariously wrong... lol people on the BSN are so kind. Are you two wearing authentic replicas of late nineteenth century corsets (or better yet, actual authentic corsets)? I didn't read the link because I already know a great deal about nineteenth century literature and culture, and that includes fashion. I'm not going to throw my degrees in your face. But wearing a Victoria's Secret corset to a Rocky Horror showing doesn't negate a darn thing I said. Instead of passing internet links around, go to your local library and do some genuine academic research on the topic at hand here.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:24 .

[Svanhildr]

Ugh, this will haunt me in my bloody nightmares... first and last time I'll ever play that horrible DLC. (Mainly because of that outfit and Tallis )

I want more pretty and appropriate female clothing for the PC! Most of the time you will look horrendous. That's why I never wear anything else than the Fugitive's Mantle.

[Swagger7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Almost everything I said was hilariously wrong... lol people on the BSN are so kind. Are you two wearing authentic replicas of late nineteenth century corsets (or better yet, actual authentic corsets)? I didn't read the link because I already know a great deal about nineteenth century literature and culture, and that includes fashion. I'm not going to throw my degrees in your face. But wearing a Victoria's Secret corset to a Rocky Horror showing doesn't negate a darn thing I said. Instead of passing internet links around, go to your local library and do some genuine academic research on the topic at hand here.

First off, I'd like to say that "hilariously wrong" was a poor choice of words.  I was intending to convey amusement at the fact that your post came so quickly after that article, but I failed.  Anyways, on to the facts.

My cousin's corset is in fact a steel framed type very similar to what was worn in the Victorian Era.  It wouldn't be much good for back support if it was some flimsy cloth thing.

Yes, earlier corsets ("pipe stem") were damaging to the human body, but the corsets worn for most of the time during which corsets were popular were in fact of the so-called "hour-glass" type, which is not dangerous unless laced far too tightly, which was not actually that common.  Your knowledge of period literature actually does you a disservice in this case, as there were many misconceptions about the effect of corsets upon the human body that were prevalent during that time.  They thought that a corset dramatically moved one's internal organs around, or that it could give you tuberculosis for instance. 

I find it interesting that you "refuse to throw your degrees in my face" and suggest that I do "genuine academic research" when you aren't willing to read an article that would have addressed your original complaints as well as most of the ones in the post above.  I would provide you with the proper sourcing of my claims, but you've already shone that you have no interest in examining your beliefs, so I see no reason to bother.

I'm actually not opposed to your stance that forcing a female PC into a dress and/or corset would be undesirable.  I think having a choice between different outfits is a good idea for multiple reasons.  I do however object to your (unintentional) use of misinformation to state your case.  This is the reason for my comment, since countering inaccurate historical revisionism is an interest of mine.  You are entitled to your own opinion.  You are not entitled to your own facts.

Modifié par Swagger7, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[AlanC9]

Swagger7, where were those pics you posted on page 10 from? This gadget isn't letting me do an image search.

[Wynne]

Emzamination wrote...

Good to know I can't just wear a skirt or dress in public because I like it, without sending some subliminal social strata conformist message.Feminist...Can't live with them, can live without them.

That's a pretty ridiculous assumption. But put up as many strawmen as you like. This forum doesn't surprise me anymore.

Brohammed wrote...

This topic is like demanding the male PC will fight in a tuxedo.

No, it's like saying that he would attend a formal gathering in old-fashioned formal attire which fits the universe he lives in. 

[Emzamination]

Wynne wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Good to know I can't just wear a skirt or dress in public because I like it, without sending some subliminal social strata conformist message.Feminist...Can't live with them, can live without them.

That's a pretty ridiculous assumption. But put up as many strawmen as you like. This forum doesn't surprise me anymore.

Strawman? That wasn't directed at you.

[AlanC9]

You mean people aren't allowed to call "strawman" unless that argument was directed at one of their own posts?

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[Emzamination]

AlanC9 wrote...

You mean people aren't allowed to call "strawman" unless that argument was directed at one of their own posts?

Stop. Fanning. Flames.

[Brohammed]

Wynne wrote...
No, it's like saying that he would attend a formal gathering in old-fashioned formal attire which fits the universe he lives in. 

I suppose if the game is set in Orlais, then yes. However, comat in dresses is is as ridiculous as the ****** armor that female warriors wear.

[Swagger7]

AlanC9 wrote...

Swagger7, where were those pics you posted on page 10 from? This gadget isn't letting me do an image search.

I don't remember the website, but that's Virginia Hankins: reenactor, jouster, model, actress and stuntwoman.  (Also, professional mermaid freediving model person.  Didn't know that existed.)  She played Jeanne d'Arc (Joan of Arc) during the recreation segment of the Deadliest Warrior episode of Jeanne vs William the Conqueror.   I saw her in an article on women who reenact in historically male roles, and I immediately thought of her when I read your post.

Here's her site:
http://www.virginiahankins.com/

[AlanC9]

Emzamination wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You mean people aren't allowed to call "strawman" unless that argument was directed at one of their own posts?

Stop. Fanning. Flames.

Really?

This from a guy who just posted "Feminist...Can't live with them, can live without them"? 

@Swagger7: thanks much.

[Emzamination]

AlanC9 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You mean people aren't allowed to call "strawman" unless that argument was directed at one of their own posts?

Stop. Fanning. Flames.

Really?

This from a guy who just posted "Feminist...Can't live with them, can live without them"? 

@Swagger7: thanks much.

First off I'm not a guy, miss.

Next, If you're going to quote me, then quote me in full.I was responding to a argument on social conformity in regards to gender clothing that has been going on in this thread since the beginning.You'd know that if you had bothered to read the thread.

Your post however is an attempt to get a non-existent argument started, madame.

Lastly, I'll ask you again that if you must fan flames, please do so in pm as this isn't the first time I've warned you to stop in this thread - Link

[AlanC9]

Emzamination wrote...

Next, If you're going to quote me, then quote me in full.I was responding to a argument on social conformity in regards to gender clothing that has been going on in this thread since the beginning.You'd know that if you had bothered to read the thread.

Actually, what you did was tack on a gratuitous insult to a fairly feeble argument. Though perhaps a full quote, judiciously highlighted, wiuld have made that more apparent. I'll consider using that technique in the future.

Lastly, I'll ask you again that if you must fan flames, please do so in pm as this isn't the first time I've warned you to stop in this thread - Link

Yep. You warned me, and I completely ignored you. The style, tone, and manner of people's posts has always been a legitimate topic of discussion on this board. And a thread starter has no particular right to control the thread.

If you believe there's been a policy change in this regard, feel free to PM a mod.

[IElitePredatorI]

I wouldn't care what clothes either gender gets as long as it looks nice and classy.



I don't just mean a stereotypical tuxedo for a man and a dress for a woman, I think everyone should have the option to choose what they want to wear out of a wide selection and not forced into wearing something they don't want to wear. The reason customization options are there is to make your character, your character and not forced to be someone.

Modifié par IElitePredatorI, 05 novembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! Lemme join in!
This feminist crap is crazy, if your head hurts trying to figure out reverse psychology and which way is which, it's probably time to just look in the mirror and say "yup, that looks good." And isn't it a bit speculative to argue about what corsets would be like for women thedas? Sides, Brass_Buckles, how many party members even wear armour at all. Varric's chest hair will protect him.

Bioware just don't be lazy and give us choices so we can dress as feminine or butch as we'd like.
Stop being b1tchy to each other and party on

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 05 novembre 2012 - 02:27 .

[Han Yolo]

Please no long dresses for my protagonists.
First, I just loathe them.
Second, they always end up looking like they where made out of rubber or something.
And third, it's damn impractical.
Also, I think Hawke's attire was fine. She was an oddity anyway.

But to each their own and yay for more choices.

[Adanu]

AlanC9 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Next, If you're going to quote me, then quote me in full.I was responding to a argument on social conformity in regards to gender clothing that has been going on in this thread since the beginning.You'd know that if you had bothered to read the thread.

Actually, what you did was tack on a gratuitous insult to a fairly feeble argument.

It isn't feeble, this is exactly what the original poster came off as saying. Everything is symbolism to some people, and she was pointing this out in a sarcastic way.

If you can't figure that out, you have no business trying to 'debate' it.

[Emzamination]

AlanC9 wrote...

Actually, what you did was tack on a gratuitous insult to a fairly
feeble argument. Though perhaps a full quote, judiciously highlighted,
wiuld have made that more apparent. I'll consider using that technique
in the future.

Oh that's rich. See Adanu's post ^

Yep. You warned me, and I completely ignored you. The style, tone, and
manner of people's posts has always been a legitimate topic of
discussion on this board. And a thread starter has no particular right
to control the thread.

If you believe there's been a policy change in this regard, feel free to PM a mod.

I don't know what Bsn boards you've been posting on but bickering over semantics has never been condoned on these boards by moderation.I'm not trying to control the thread, I'm attempting to keep it from spiraling off the assigned topic, which is clothing, not what defines a strawman.

Modifié par Emzamination, 05 novembre 2012 - 07:28 .

[Fredward]

From the thunder and the storm,
And the cloud that took the form
(When the rest of Heaven was blue)
Of a locking in my view.

[AlanC9]

Emzamination wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Yep. You warned me, and I completely ignored you. The style, tone, and
manner of people's posts has always been a legitimate topic of
discussion on this board. And a thread starter has no particular right
to control the thread.

If you believe there's been a policy change in this regard, feel free to PM a mod.

I don't know what Bsn boards you've been posting on but bickering over semantics has never been condoned on these boards by moderation.I'm not trying to control the thread, I'm attempting to keep it from spiraling off the assigned topic, which is clothing, not what defines a strawman.

So you post something out of line, I call you on it, you protest my call, and on we go.

If you don't want people talking about this stuff, why are you talking about it?

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 novembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Todd23]

Hawke is supposed to be a male.

[AlanC9]

Todd23 wrote...

Hawke is supposed to be a male.

I lol'ed.

But hey, at least you're on-topic.

[Emzamination]

AlanC9 wrote...

So you post something out of line, I call you on it, you protest my call, and on we go.

If you think I posted something out of line, well that's your point of view and you're welcome to it.I can't be held responsible for how people choose to interpret things.

I however didn't post anything off topic.

If you don't want people talking about this stuff, why are you talking about it?

What stuff?

Gender conformity in clothing? It's perfectly in line with the op for people to express why they feel comfortable or uncomfortable in certain clothing on differing genders, as the op is asking for more feminine clothing in certain social events.The mod who posted in this thread agreed.

Semantics? No one who has posted here has tried to open that argument but you.




Any continuation of this can be held in pm.

Modifié par Emzamination, 05 novembre 2012 - 11:04 .

[MichaelStuart]

All this discussion for clothes your only likely to wear once?