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Please bioware, dress my female protagonist in <Beautiful> "Female" attire from Da3+

Débuté par Emzamination , oct. 27 2012 02:48

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 12:40

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Sainna wrote...

Could this... problem not be really easily resolved with Bioware doing what they did in ME3? Just give us a few casual attires to choose from!
So if someone wants a more fancy dress, she can get that!
If someone wants to look like a man and tell herself ''yeah womens rights!'' she can do just that O_O

Should not be too hard to implement...no?


Haha, very funny.

Maybe someone just wants to wear men's clothing because she likes it better? Or maybe she wants to wear feminine clothes but no skirt?

The dresses being forced on you in DA:O and the skirt robe thingie in DA2 are one of the reasons I don't really like playing female characters. If we could get actual choices about what our character wears outside of armour/mage robes (some of which can actually look good -- the Robes of the notorius Pirate for example), that' be pretty cool. Prticularly if that means men can wear dresses and the like as well...

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 12:41

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Girls are sexy whatever they wear, provided it shows off their curves. You can have someone who wears business attire and still sexy as hell

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 12:51

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A low-cut top and short shorts. Sounds good to me.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 01:07

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Sainna wrote...

Could this... problem not be really easily resolved with Bioware doing what they did in ME3? Just give us a few casual attires to choose from!
So if someone wants a more fancy dress, she can get that!
If someone wants to look like a man and tell herself ''yeah womens rights!'' she can do just that O_O

Should not be too hard to implement...no?


Wow line you've just crossed it.

I like to wear jeans with flats, trousers or a skirt to work, dressing up in something sparkly and wear skyscraper heels, in the summer I tend to wear dresses because it's cooler.

I dress how I want to not to conform to someone else's idea of what appropriately feminine or too masculine.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 01:35

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Wulfram wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Could this... problem not be really easily resolved with Bioware doing what they did in ME3? Just give us a few casual attires to choose from!
So if someone wants a more fancy dress, she can get that!
If someone wants to look like a man and tell herself ''yeah womens rights!'' she can do just that O_O

Should not be too hard to implement...no?


In ME3 people just complain because FemShep gets an ugly (apparently) dress in place of a leather jacket


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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 01:41

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Ser Bard wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Could this... problem not be really easily resolved with Bioware doing what they did in ME3? Just give us a few casual attires to choose from!
So if someone wants a more fancy dress, she can get that!
If someone wants to look like a man and tell herself ''yeah womens rights!'' she can do just that O_O

Should not be too hard to implement...no?


Wow line you've just crossed it.

I like to wear jeans with flats, trousers or a skirt to work, dressing up in something sparkly and wear skyscraper heels, in the summer I tend to wear dresses because it's cooler.

I dress how I want to not to conform to someone else's idea of what appropriately feminine or too masculine.


I was more making fun of the people who tend to take these things too far, was not trying to say women should always wear dresses or skirts x)

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:20

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If we are very lucky maybe we will get a Toolset once the DA3 dlc is finished then people can make there own outfits

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:21

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motomotogirl wrote...


Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

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Ha, you and me both! I have not worn a skirt in 6 years.


On a serious note, I liked Tallis's.


 They didn't want to dress FemHawke differently because feminists (LIKE MYSELF) would have been annoyed and called them out on gender conformity. I would have been PO'ed to have my Hawke show up in a dress. Like, really? Oh really, BW. Just because my Hawke has boobs and a va-jay-jay, she has to wear a dress and slippers and ribbons in her hair? Really.

I'm all for options, though. Again, so long as male Hawke gets the same option :P


I'm a feminist as well, but I choose to dress in a feminine way. That's what feminism is about - choices. One can wear heels, lipstick, and dresses and still  be all for women's rights.

Restricting us to tomboy clothing is no more fair than restricting us to dresses. So, truthfully, all Bioware did in DA2 was push us from one extreme to another. Still unfair. 


True, which is why I said I support choice ;)

But it IS more grating to assume female characters should dress in a feminine manner than putting them in the same clothes as male characters. At least the latter is a noble attempt at gender deviance.


I disagree...

I feel it's grating either way. 

I picked out a female character in order to play the game in a feminine way. I assumed that'd be the whole point in choosing a female. If they're going to take a woman and dress her up like a man and every person she meets treats her like a man/talks to her like a man - then what's the point in picking a woman? Might as well just play a man. 


Well, I shouldn't have said "grating" because that references my own personal feelings. I should have said antiquated, old-fashioned, subconsciously conforming to socially constructed gender difference, etc. 

Wait, does this mean that since I don't wear dresses I'm in danger of turning into a man :lol:


LOL moto - hush. You know what I meant. :P

In terms of my own gameplaying experience, I picked a female Hawke in order to do the playthrough from a more feminine perspective.  You know... like you would pick a city elf to do the gameplay from an elf's perspective, or you pick a noble dwarf to do the gameplay from a dwarf's perspective. And following that logic, you'd pick a male or a female to play the game from either one of those perspectives. I'm not saying put Hawke in a tutu and make her talk like Marilyn Monroe. I'm just saying that with all the studly armor she can wear, and all the times she gets to punch out people like a man, can't some of us "girly girls" get to see her in a cute dress at least once - just for a party? Please? Her armor looks pretty badass, don't get me wrong, I enjoy dressing her up like a tank - but I think it should be fair both ways. ;)

(I don't think a girl should have to play a mage just to get Hawke into a "sort of" dress... mage robes really.)

I mean if we want to be fair and gender neutral in videogames (which, I must confess, is very boring to me) then let's just be done with it and offer the gamer only one hero choice: eunuch. 

Funny thing is, I'm not an old fashioned person - I just enjoy the aesthetic quality of dresses, or well tailored feminine outfits that aren't exactly a dress, but definitely not that disaster outfit Hawke wore in Mark of the Assassin. Besides, dresses are progressive, they aren't really old fashioned now since their designs have evolved. The stigma attached to wearing skirts or dresses could be considered dated, sure, but think of very old cultures in which the men wore dress/skirt-like apparel. It's just an outdated meaning attached to a scrap of fabric. I think we can all agree that women in dresses nowadays implies choice - not being forced into a stereotype. Women have the choice to dress however they please (in our culture, at least...)


EDIT: Also, I do agree we should just be given choices of clothing. (Wasn't it like that in the Fable 2 and 3 games?) Also, have any of you played Dragon's Dogma? The clothing/armor choices in that game were incredible and very diverse. You could mix and match stuff that ranged from feminine to masculine. But hey, there's one thing Capcom got right. Think Bioware could do that too? (I dunno...)

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:23

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grimkillah wrote...

Girls are sexy whatever they wear, provided it shows off their curves. You can have someone who wears business attire and still sexy as hell

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Anything with a V-neck or even a boat-neck is always super cute. People underestimate the attractiveness of shoulders. ;)

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:44

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Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

EDIT: Also, I do agree we should just be given choices of clothing. (Wasn't it like that in the Fable 2 and 3 games?) Also, have any of you played Dragon's Dogma? The clothing/armor choices in that game were incredible and very diverse. You could mix and match stuff that ranged from feminine to masculine. But hey, there's one thing Capcom got right. Think Bioware could do that too? (I dunno...)



It was, and it's one of the reasons I like those games so much. I've played a fem!Sparrow who almost always wore a corset, hot pants and high boots, now I'm playing a transgender one who'll only wear male clothing. I've also played male!sparrows that crossdressed, or rarely wore expenisve clothing, or almost exclusively wore expensive things... One can add a surprising amount of personality to their Fable protagonist through dressing them up, which is why I fully support clothing choices in DA, rather than force fem!Hawke to wear a skirt at home or pants at a party. (Same goes for m!Hawke, too, of course.)

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:58

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Yes, I agree with OP. And as for the whole feminism , sending the wrong message deal... We have Isabela.. 'Nuff said. ; )

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 04:20

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I didn't like Hawke's MotA party outfit, but not because it wasn't feminine enough.
I didn't like it because it clearly hadn't been tailored to fit female Hawke. The MotA party outfit wasn't very different from the clothes Hawke wears in the estate (which I like), but it was bulky-looking and not flattering at all. You could tell (and it was later confirmed here) that the team didn't have enough time to fit the outfit to female Hawke properly.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 04:33

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TBH I preferred the look of the MoTA party outfit better on FHawke than MHawke, I think the pants suited my FHawkes personality and what I would see her wearing, whereas I didn't feel that way with my MHawke.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:03

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Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm.

I understand gender expectations and whatnot are hard to disassociate from a thread asking about women's attire, but I guess I'll agree with Maria's perspective that it seems to be a more complicated process of dressing women in a way that won't bother someone than it would be a man.

I have no problems with a thread asking for particular clothing for women in certain situations because that's what a poster finds fun/interesting/attractive/whatever. I would prefer that the discussion in the thread avoid a more in depth discussion of feminism and what sort of messaging BioWare, or the people making such requests, are sending by doing so. It makes the discussion much more political in nature which would lead to me closing the thread down.


Oh but Allan, the very nature of the topic invites such discussions. In this thread, we have people talking about outfits that make a female character "sexy" (be they pants or dresses), posters who insist that there are major differences between men and women, others who want to know if a pants outfit would be okay so long as it still shows a little cleavage or bare shoulder.

I can decide to no longer comment (which I will, because honestly, what is the point), but you have to allow that this is a very opinionated topic and one that assumes certain things about women and how players want to see female characters, and that many of the ideas expressed in this thread are frankly outdated and offensive.

It isn't that people shouldn't have the choice to dress their characters how they see fit, no matter the gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. It's only an issue when someone says a character has to be dressed differntly BECAUSE of her gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:38

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Yes, I agree with OP. And as for the whole feminism , sending the wrong message deal... We have Isabela.. 'Nuff said. ; )


... I have no idea what you said or implied or why you think it has anything to do with feminism.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:39

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IIRC, LadyHawke wore those clothes to save on resources, not for any esthetic or practical reasons (like you can't run in a dress). I can understand that though it does seem a bit ... tacky. I tried looking for a mod, but all I could find were dresses, most of which made her fit right in at the Blooming Rose. *le sigh*

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:45

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By the way, I'd just like to say I want some bad ass cloth for the male Protag. The ladies shouldn't get the monoply on sexy outfits. Just so no one gets the wrong idea, when I say sexy outfit I don't mean I want a playboy bunny outfit I just want to have good looking male cloth. I'm not completely against the bunny outfit though, I'll wear it during the final boss fight.

Modifié par plnero, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:46

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JamieCOTC wrote...

IIRC, LadyHawke wore those clothes to save on resources, not for any esthetic or practical reasons (like you can't run in a dress). I can understand that though it does seem a bit ... tacky. I tried looking for a mod, but all I could find were dresses, most of which made her fit right in at the Blooming Rose. *le sigh*


Yes, I remember John Epler mentioning something about resource, but I can't remember the specifics or find his post :(

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:51

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CENIC wrote...

I didn't like Hawke's MotA party outfit, but not because it wasn't feminine enough.
I didn't like it because it clearly hadn't been tailored to fit female Hawke. The MotA party outfit wasn't very different from the clothes Hawke wears in the estate (which I like), but it was bulky-looking and not flattering at all. You could tell (and it was later confirmed here) that the team didn't have enough time to fit the outfit to female Hawke properly.


Yep, this. I'm not offended by my female character wearing pants per se. The MotA outfit was just bloody unflattering. That was what made it hideous. Tallis had a top and pants too, and she looked fine (apart from her ugly face:innocent:). 

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 06:08

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Dhiro wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

IIRC, LadyHawke wore those clothes to save on resources, not for any esthetic or practical reasons (like you can't run in a dress). I can understand that though it does seem a bit ... tacky. I tried looking for a mod, but all I could find were dresses, most of which made her fit right in at the Blooming Rose. *le sigh*


Yes, I remember John Epler mentioning something about resource, but I can't remember the specifics or find his post :(



Yeah, that's who it was.  I can't find the post either, but they only had so much of a budget for DLC and cuts had to be made somewhere.  IIRC, the arguement wasn't so much that she should have been in a dress, but it was the exact same outfit as MaleHawke. 

It's not a feminism issue, but a dev vision vs. player choice issue that seems to be more and more prevalent in BW’s games. Personally I would have rather she wore her champion armor or whatever the player wished for her to wear rather than that ugly ass suit.  

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 06:13

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renjility wrote...

CENIC wrote...

I didn't like Hawke's MotA party outfit, but not because it wasn't feminine enough.
I didn't like it because it clearly hadn't been tailored to fit female Hawke. The MotA party outfit wasn't very different from the clothes Hawke wears in the estate (which I like), but it was bulky-looking and not flattering at all. You could tell (and it was later confirmed here) that the team didn't have enough time to fit the outfit to female Hawke properly.


Yep, this. I'm not offended by my female character wearing pants per se. The MotA outfit was just bloody unflattering. That was what made it hideous. Tallis had a top and pants too, and she looked fine (apart from her ugly face:innocent:). 


Exactly. Tallis looked good. She wasn't in a dress, really. Fem Hawke's outfit was, however, a disaster.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 07:13

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Dam, someone beat me to the butt shot in that outfit. WAIT IS THAT MY HAWKE!?

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 07:18

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I want this, except with a large two handed sword on her back.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 07:23

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That's Tallis?

The horror.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 07:28

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I want this, except with a large two handed sword on her back.

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I lol'd at this.  Then immediately agreed.
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