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[MelRedux]

KILTS DON'T COUNT THEY ARE PLAID.

duh.

[Emzamination]

tmp7704 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Examples?

modern social convention: "lolol, a guy wearing a skirt".

^ I disagree but I'm just going to drop out of this debate so I don't say something that could be taken as insulting to another nations customs.

A pleasure

[Masha Potato]

i guess any self-respecting long coat is an example of mandress
i really don't want to post matrix screenshots if you'll excuse me

[upsettingshorts]

Emzamination wrote...

^ I disagree but I'm just going to drop out of this debate so I don't say something that could be taken as insulting to another nations customs.

A pleasure

That's good, because what you would have said likely would have further proven our argument.

[Emzamination]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

^ I disagree but I'm just going to drop out of this debate so I don't say something that could be taken as insulting to another nations customs.

A pleasure

That's good, because what you would have said likely would have further proven our argument.

King might've achieved world peace. The things we'll never know


Edit: Oooops did that slip out? sorry, please proceed in kicking.

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Warrior Craess]

Adanu wrote...

I just want to chime in here and ask if you have any pictures for these outfits.

lots of nice outfits in Tv land these days... Once has several... such as....




or 

[AlanC9]

Emzamination wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

^ I disagree but I'm just going to drop out of this debate so I don't say something that could be taken as insulting to another nations customs.

A pleasure

That's good, because what you would have said likely would have further proven our argument.

King might've achieved world peace. The things we'll never know

Edit: Oooops did that slip out? sorry, please proceed in kicking.

Can someone tell me what the hell that meant?

[ledod]

My female hawke was too busy kicking a' too mind her wardrobe.

[Swagger7]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I think you're thinking of robes

Tautology. A robe is a dress is a robe, unless it's a bathrobe. In fact, "dress" in French is "robe."

LOL, the French translation was the first thing I thought of too when I read Emz's comment. 

[Swagger7]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Sorry but dresses, high heels, lipstick ect... are feminine clothing/makeup products manufactured for & with women in mind, and have been for the last thousand years.Everyone is free to wear what they want to wear, but that doesn't change the fact certain apparel is gender specific in design.

And that's merely social convention, and has nothing to do with biological differences you were citing earlier. When the conventions change, it renders these labels meaningless. As simple example, it wasn't that long ago when pink was actually considered a bold, manly colour worn by men, and blue was "feminine". That's how little meaning these labels carry, and how quick the fashions can (and do) change.

Indeed.  Observe noted transvestite and gender boundary-defying toddler President Franklin D. Roosevelt [source]:

What's this?  Reasoned argument and citation?  'Tis a rare find on the bsn; I salute you.  The article you linked to was quite an interesting read.

[Swagger7]

AlanC9 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

^ I disagree but I'm just going to drop out of this debate so I don't say something that could be taken as insulting to another nations customs.

A pleasure

That's good, because what you would have said likely would have further proven our argument.

King might've achieved world peace. The things we'll never know

Edit: Oooops did that slip out? sorry, please proceed in kicking.

Can someone tell me what the hell that meant?

Ego the size of a bus I guess?  Who knows what goes on in Emz's head?

Modifié par Swagger7, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:09 .

[Adanu]

tmp7704 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Sorry but dresses, high heels, lipstick ect... are feminine clothing/makeup products manufactured for & with women in mind, and have been for the last thousand years.Everyone is free to wear what they want to wear, but that doesn't change the fact certain apparel is gender specific in design.

And that's merely social convention, and has nothing to do with biological differences you were citing earlier. When the conventions change, it renders these labels meaningless. As simple example, it wasn't that long ago when pink was actually considered a bold, manly colour worn by men, and blue was "feminine". That's how little meaning these labels carry, and how quick the fashions can (and do) change.

Don't mistake colleration for causation. The result changes over time, but the method and reasoning stay the same; each generation, something is identified as 'feminine' and something as 'masculine'. Something is bound to gender identity and/or role. In this case, pink is considered feminine and blue masculine.

Gender identity is as much part of human nature and social fabric as anything else, and gives many comfort self esteem wise. Are you trying to argue otherwise?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I just want stupid mage hats gone. And I want enough variety in the armor/clothing where we can be more or less as pretty or wacky or plain fugly as we like.

Except mage hats. Mage hats are a crime against fashion and the Maker both

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:24 .

[Emzamination]

@Swagger Let the argument dessicate and lets return to talk of clothing.

@Alanc9 When I say king, I'm referring to Martin luther king jr and when I talk about kicking, I'm referring to the quoted comments attempt to establish the upper-hand in a debate I dropped.You've heard the expression of kicking a dog while it's down, no?

Also the next time you want clarification on something 'I' said, please send me a pm and I'll be glad to explain, so we don't stir up a hornets nest of attacks, even if that was your Intent. As I've said earlier, English isn't my native tongue so I may not say things perfectly all the time. Thanks!

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:45 .

[TobiTobsen]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I just want stupid mage hats gone. And I want enough variety in the armor/clothing where we can be more or less as pretty or wacky or plain fugly as we like.

Except mage hats. Mage hats are a crime against fashion and the Maker both

The mage hats from DAO and DAII are the first step to the holy trinity of Inquisitor headgear! I demand leather caps and hats that would make Cardinal Ximenez proud!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:54 .

[Blackrising]

Warrior Craess wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I just want to chime in here and ask if you have any pictures for these outfits.

lots of nice outfits in Tv land these days... Once has several... such as....




or 

Sorry, what was that? I was distracted by Lana in leather pants. So gorgeous.

On a more serious note: I think Once Upon A Time is a great place to look for outfits. The female clothes are always perfect, never too girly or too 'manly'. They look good while still remaining practical.

[Swagger7]

Emzamination wrote...

@Swagger Let the argument dessicate and lets return to talk of clothing.

Fine by me.  Personally, I'd like to see multiple options for clothing for both genders if they plan on having us attend a few parties/ masques/ functions/ whatever, but I have no idea if Bioware will devote the necessary resources to this.

[Chipaway111]

Can we get some coats? Long coats, I really like them, in fact I suffer from an unrequited love of them. They could be the substitutes for mage robes. Pants and something long and flowy-!

[Patchwork]

Chipaway111 wrote...

Can we get some coats? Long coats, I really like them, in fact I suffer from an unrequited love of them. They could be the substitutes for mage robes. Pants and something long and flowy-!

The fugative's mantle is the perfect mage outfit, imo of course.

Modifié par Ser Bard, 28 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[nightscrawl]

Just as long as we don't get plate-kinis, I really don't care.

I tend to dislike robes or dresses of any kind simply because they do not animate well. In every game I have ever played it looks like a tent if you are walking, running, crouching, or doing anything besides standing there.

My favorite armor set from DA2, bar none, is the Fugitive's Mantle. I thought it looked fan-tas-tic on my fem Hawkes and I wear it as long as possible. I don't even care that it's not hi-res. I also really liked the female Grey Warden armor. Bethany looks great in it, and feminine, while still being combat appropriate. I think it's really doable to meet both needs with such armor.

[Lintanis]

Personally I would love to chill out in the next game wearing Hawaiian type shirt and Bermuda shorts

[Fishy]

Frivolous.

[Maria Caliban]

tmp7704 wrote...



modern social convention: "lolol, a guy wearing a skirt".

I'm going to disagree. Most modern, Western people don't view a kilt as a skirt just like catholic bishops aren't typically viewed as a group of men in dresses.

Social conventions are arbitrary, but they're not simple.

Blackrising wrote...


or 

I like this.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:13 .

[tmp7704]

Adanu wrote...

Don't mistake colleration for causation. The result changes over time, but the method and reasoning stay the same; each generation, something is identified as 'feminine' and something as 'masculine'. Something is bound to gender identity and/or role. In this case, pink is considered feminine and blue masculine.

Gender identity is as much part of human nature and social fabric as anything else, and gives many comfort self esteem wise. Are you trying to argue otherwise?

I'd argue that's still just social convention than anything else -- as evidenced by the fact brought up in this thread, the "need" to have young children "gender coded" is a relatively fresh habit, not present little more than hundred years ago.

If the genderized outfits were at some point replaced with "everyone wears whatever they feel like" for the adults as well it's not hard to picture next generations simply accepting it as "that's the way to do it" and never knowing better. Until another change of views, anyway.

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm going to disagree. Most modern, Western people don't view a kilt as a skirt just like catholic bishops aren't typically viewed as a group of men in dresses.

Social conventions are arbitrary, but they're not simple.

I think it's more like, the first reaction is "lol, guy in a skirt" promptly followed by "oh wait that's a kilt, nevermind then, that's legit". Which perhaps makes an even better point how silly these conventions are. But that could also differ between groups; it's possible around your place the "that guy is wearing a kilt" is the genuine first impression.