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[Aradeus]

 Assuming I have Coran and Imoen (dual-classed) in my party -- what is best to focus them on?   I am thinking Coran would be stealth and find traps, while Imoen is pick pockets and open locks.

And I should add, how much stealth skill is enough?

Modifié par Aradeus, 27 octobre 2012 - 04:12 .

[Matuse]

The only stealth skill that is enough is too much, which is if you break the 255 barrier.

Although in practical terms, you're safe once you get into the 150 area. Once you are there, you can reliably hide while not standing in shadows and in broad daylight.

[Jianson]

If you are prepared to actively look for shadows when you want to scout (and take on important outdoor areas mainly at night), about 80% (including the help from items) in the stealth skills is quite doable.

Coran is the better backstabber (since he can get more proficent with weapons, has better THAC0, can drink warrior-only potions and can wear ogre power gauntlets) so he should be the stealth specialist. Other than that, it doesn't really matter who is good at what.

Modifié par Jianson, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:25 .

[Aradeus]

Well, I figured it makes sense to specialize the two and since there are four skills to learn I should have them each specialize in two skills. As you say, Coran is the natural fit for stealth -- I am thinking detect traps might be a good skill for him as well, since scouting ahead can be dangerous and a figher/thief can take care of himself better than a thief>mage.

But is there any advantage to a mage with stealth vs. just using invisibility when needed?

[Jianson]

But is there any advantage to a mage with stealth vs. just using invisibility when needed?

You mean when she gets the thief skills back (so she is a Mage/Thief)? Well, there are some perks. For example, if this type of character is good at stealth, you can have her do some 'stealth bombing', meaning you scout out an enemy group and bomb them with things like Fireball, Cloudkill, etc. You can then hide in shadows while the spell is flying in the air. This makes it nearly impossible for the enemies to fight back.
Hiding with an Invisbility spell just after a spell has been cast takes a full round + the casting time of Invisibility (7-8 seconds in total) plus it uses up a valuable level 2 spell slot you could have used for something else.

This is not so important in the vanilla game as if the game is played with Tutu or BGT because the enemies are so bad at reacting to stealth bombing in vanilla.

Another advantage with stealth over invisibility is how Non-Detection works. Normal invisibility is revealed by spells like Detect Invisibility and Invisibility Purge, even of you have Non-Detection (cloak or spell). Stealth + Non-Detection keeps the character hidden (and can only be revealed with True Seeing/Sight, I think).

Modifié par Jianson, 27 octobre 2012 - 09:18 .

[Matuse]

Stealth + Detect is not so good, since you can only do one or the other.

[Aradeus]

When I turn on stealth and then pick detect traps, the stealth icon turns off, but his image remains blurred, and I have snuck up on enemies undetected while looking for traps.

[Grimwald the Wise]

You have a period of time to detect traps, sneak up on people before the stealth wears off. I think it's about 5 seconds real time, but haven't tried to measure it. I know from experience about how long it is.
You do need to get back out of sight quickly after dealing with a trap. Sometimes there is time to deal with two traps, but dealing with three is pushing your luck. It's better to get out of sight and hide again before trying the third trap. I am thinking particularly of the traps near Davaeorn and those near the skeletons on the way to the final battle.