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[AlanC9]

fiendishchicken wrote...


Plus she wouldn't be intruding on my personal space so often.

Wait, what? She knocks on Shep's door once, and comes up once if Shep invites her. What am I missing? 

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Davik Kang wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...
Lol, I was about to start a thread saying the same thing.

Would you kill someone who brought you back to life out of friendship or love?
If say you would, then you're just trying to act like a badass over the Internet.

BTW, Liara always has a crush on you.

I kept getting cold feet with Shepard's various potential LI's, and everytime she decided who she wanted, the gate was closed.

I never even paid Liara much attention... until at the end, when Shepard was about to die, I thought back on all the things Liara had said and done.  

I remembered how Shepard had recued her in ME1. How Liara had then recovered her body in ME2.  How she'd then taken the time not just to build a device to record our efforts against the Reapers, but also another to record the story of Shepard, and she asks you how you'd like Shepard to be remembered.

It occured to me that throughout her extremely long life and archaeological career, Liara probably considered Shepard to be the most incredible thing she'd ever discovered.  Yet it was Shepard who had found her.

I remember realising, too late, that Liara was the one who truly loved Shepard.  And after all the awkward romance failures and no-go options, I'd missed the obvious one, the friend who'd always been there.

That was the exact thing I thought in ME3 when I made Liara my LI. Made me hate Ashley even more.

Modifié par ZeCollectorDestroya, 28 octobre 2012 - 03:28 .

[Red Panda]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It was, in fact, Cerberus that brought Shepard back.

Well if I could romance TIM I would.

[fiendishchicken]

AlanC9 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...


Plus she wouldn't be intruding on my personal space so often.

Wait, what? She knocks on Shep's door once, and comes up once if Shep invites her. What am I missing? 

That's one too many times man.

My Shepard never really considered her as more than a casual friend. 

Nothing too close. He knows Liara is in love with him, but he has no interest in her. He does sort of wonder what she's doing on the ship, since she mostly keeps to herself.

He has the alliance offer her an office on the citadel to work and coordinate better. She's not really a squadmate that see's the light of day too much.

[CrimsonZephyr]

I have no sympathy or respect for Asari filth.

[spirosz]

Davik Kang wrote...

I remember realising, too late, that Liara was the one who truly loved Shepard.  And after all the awkward romance failures and no-go options, I'd missed the obvious one, the friend who'd always been there.

Let's flip this and say instead of loved, let's call it "unhealthy crush" on Shepard.

Sounds better! 

[dreamgazer]

Is this what the character/romance forum looks like?

Because one or two things are starting to make a lot of sense.

[Barquiel]

spirosz wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

I remember realising, too late, that Liara was the one who truly loved Shepard.  And after all the awkward romance failures and no-go options, I'd missed the obvious one, the friend who'd always been there.

Let's flip this and say instead of loved, let's call it "unhealthy crush" on Shepard.

Sounds better! 

Liara takes being dumped rather well...compared to certain other characters.

How "unhealthy"...

[spirosz]

Barquiel wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

I remember realising, too late, that Liara was the one who truly loved Shepard.  And after all the awkward romance failures and no-go options, I'd missed the obvious one, the friend who'd always been there.

Let's flip this and say instead of loved, let's call it "unhealthy crush" on Shepard.

Sounds better! 

Liara takes being dumped rather well...compared to certain other characters.

How "unhealthy"...

Her hiding under her "business" composure to hide her feelings can be seen as unhealthy.  Just sayin'

Modifié par spirosz, 28 octobre 2012 - 04:33 .

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Is this what the character/romance forum looks like?

Because one or two things are starting to make a lot of sense.

It's worse in other threads, haha.  Were you here during the 10,000 pages of Tali worship? 

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Is this what the character/romance forum looks like?

Because one or two things are starting to make a lot of sense.

It's worse in other threads, haha. Were you here during the 10,000 pages of Tali worship?

No, but I get the feeling that I dodged a bullet on that one.

[AlanC9]

fiendishchicken wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
Plus she wouldn't be intruding on my personal space so often.

Wait, what? She knocks on Shep's door once, and comes up once if Shep invites her. What am I missing? 

That's one too many times man.

OK, at least I'm not miscounting. Note that several characters drop by the cabin if Shep wants, and IIRC Traynor shows up uninvited too.

[Zakuspec089]

I suppose my topic fired up lately. It's interesting. Anyways please stay on topic and be respectful to posters and Liara. Thank you.

[Fingertrip]

No, sorry. They threw Liara down our throats in ME3. Whilst in ME1 it was fine, and in ME2 she was absence. Liara was an utterely useless character in ME3 and never achieved anything remotely useful. She had the intel of the Shadow Broker, and she didn't even find out where Cerberus was at. I mean, Traynor for the love of god was more useful then she was, and she was just a sub-character. Traynor > Liara anyday, anytime.

Liara was just perfect in ME1, but uggghh ME3 was just a mess of Liara love. Would have prefered more interactions with other characters then her.

Sorry, but to break it down to you, Liara didn't do anything useful in the trilogy, ever. Traynor, who is just a specialist managed to track Mr.Cereal down, whereas Liara was just fumbling in the track. It made Garrus calibrations come across as an act of genius and serving the plot to maximium effiency.

Liara could be killed off for all I care. No disrespect to the voice-actor tho, she does a magnificent job, I just think she wasn't handled very well in ME3.

[Zakuspec089]

If you think Liara is a unuseful character why are you here. Liara helped dearly unlike your character or l.i. I also didn't like the other characters much, Liara were the most interesting to me and I had common things with her. Ashley she were just a racist, Miranda only cared about her family not you, Jack and Tali they are good.

The other characters are good too but Liara in my eyes were the best and most interesting. Liara went through slot and experienced much unlike some of those characters. Please don't hate on the fans of Liara or Liara. I don't go on other characters topics and say they suck and are useless. I think people should do the same for Liara and her fans. Liara is the best character and L.I for Shepard and FemShepard.

I will hate BioWare and Liara haters if they decided to kill off Liara because some whiners wanted them too. Tali and Gurrus they were in all three, I never killed off any my squad because I didn't like them, I like other characters. I know I'm a Liaramancer.

Modifié par Zakuspec089, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Sir Topham Hat]

Ugh all this "Mah waifu is better than your waifu so go away" BS. Why can't we all just come to terms that we all have different opinions and taste in characters? Javik is best waifu anyways

[Zakuspec089]

I know we all do I do too but I'm respectful though. I don't like seeing attacks type replies or disrespectful replies. I don't think you wouldn't either unless your one of those types.

[Barquiel]

Fingertrip wrote...

Liara didn't do anything useful in the trilogy, ever.

This is simply incorrect.

[ReptileSmile]

No disrespect to the voice-actor tho, she does a magnificent job, I just think she wasn't handled very well in ME3.

I don't entirely agree.  The main reason I was annoyed by Liara in ME1 was because I found the voice acting so horrendous.  With that said though, it did become progressively better and I did like the voice actor as Lightning.

In relation to the topic at hand though, no one has to respect a video game character - don't be silly.  However, for people to wish that a DLC would be released so that said character could be killed off is equally silly and rather spiteful.  My favorite character was killed off so I know how much it gives a sad.  I don't particularly like Liara, and I certainly am not going to 'respect' her, however, I can respect the tastes and feelings of others.

[Isichar]

Liara hatred is a bit silly for the most part. I think her character was fine, and her interactions were top notch.

Lets be honest about why people really get so upset over her character: she gets way more screen time then most other characters. Probably because she is the only one from previous games that will definitely be alive in 100% of play-throughs, much less coding which is understandable from Biowares PoV but I can certainly understand why people would want more screen time with their LI and favorite characters...

The time capsule and Shepard/Liara LI scenes were really well done and provoked some emotion inside me.

Modifié par Isichar, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Loup Blanc]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

I have no sympathy or respect for Asari filth.

LOL

Modifié par JL81, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:55 .

[Zakuspec089]

Liara wasn't in Mass Effect 2 much only if you downloaded LoTSB. I can understand why some people are annoyed. Liara is just a character and its a game. They did a awesome job on Liara well too me and Liara helped much more then the other characters. They shouldn't kill off Liara just because some people are mad and hate her.

They should kill off all characters then. In Mass Effect 2 the squads were for hire, temperorary they even said that in Mass Effect 2. The main characters are Shepard, Liara, Tali, Garry, Wrex and couple others. The others are minorities and fans should known that at first. I hope there be more DLC with Liara and Shepard that be wonderful. I think that there will be.

[Zakuspec089]

Also Liara and Tali are the most interesting female Alien characters. Liara the only best option for Female Shepard in my eyes. I mainly played female Shepard, there weren't many female choices for female Shepard. I normally played and picked Female Shepard. I wished there were more girl on girl relationships for Female Shepard.

[MACharlie1]

For the record, I didn't have any malice towards Liara until ME3...

Liara in ME2 was built up too much for her role in ME3. She had undergone a change in character from the shy archeologist to the bitter and callous information broker in her grief of losing Shepard and Feron. Truthfully, she didn't fully become callous until she lost FERON and wanted revenge on the Shadow Broker - not Shepard. We got this badass and insanely awesome DLC where Liara becomes the Shadow Broker with a ship and tons of intel and an army at her disposal. Something useful. We saw that she was going to be useful and play a huge role as much as Wrex and the Krogan in the war against the Reapers.

Then ME3 roles around. For some odd reason, the writers decided that it was more important to satisfy blue lust for fanboys then retain the integrity of Liara's story. So they essentially stripped Liara of the characterization and backbone she obviously had in ME2. And then to top that, stripped her of almost all of her resources just for the sake of having her always around the Normandy. Liara should have stayed on Hagalaz and should have taken a majority of quests given by Hackett and Traynor. Now, we can "excuse" Liara's lack of "Shadow Brokering" due to the fact that shes constantly getting resources for the Crucible and such. Unfortunately, from a story telling perspective, this doesn't work because we don't see it. We hear second-hand from her. She could be playing solitaire. This is where Liara distributing missions would play. "We need xyz for the Crucible." Eventually, I'd say we'd have a mission where Cerberus finally tracks Liara down and we have to go rescue here. Show - not tell.

Now there is also the problem of Liara's characterization that I mentioned. She was callous and ruthless in ME2 and LOTSB. Awesome. ME3 has her playing this meek shy thing barely grown from ME1. "I'm so sorry, Shepard." when talking about Earth. She sees that Garrus and Shepard aren't sitting there whining about Earth and Palaven burning to the ground and that's all she says. It's all anyone really says about it. Then we get to Thessia...the entire mission she is ****ing about Armali burning and how she can't fight Banshees. Um, everyone else seems to be doing a pretty good job fighting monsters of their own kind. Not a single human ****ed about fighting Scions in ME2. Garrus didn't say a peep about Marauders. It's rather annoying to suddenly be forced that BANSHEES are the thing that are truly horrible. After Thessia we are witness to the most pathetic display. What happened to the Liara that closes up and vows revenge when terrible things happen? She can't be callous? She let Shadow Broker troops tear up Nos Astra so she can get to the Broker. The game is obviously trying to make you feel sorry for Liara - why again? Why didn't you try to make me feel sorry for Garrus? It was pathetically transparent that Liara was painted to be a Mary-Sue. Nobody likes a Mary-Sue. It doesn't help that if one reads the notes from the Mars script where Liara makes her entrance, she's the biggest Mary Sue in the game - the way James notices the "beautiful Asari and how she notices this but is so into herself that she plays it off all flirty." Never mind the fact that Ashley has undergone a transformation herself.

The one point after Thessia with Liara was her confrontation with Javik - perfectly in character for her to lash out at him. Theres the callous and cold Liara we met in ME2. I wish that they had the Shadow Broker theme play over this scene. I'm not going to attack her on being in Shepard's quarters after his dreams because she's essentially filling in our expository role that Ashley and Kaidan played in the first game and Miranda and Jacob played in the second. It's a necessary role...

[spirosz]

MACharlie1 wrote...

The one point after Thessia with Liara was her confrontation with Javik - perfectly in character for her to lash out at him. Theres the callous and cold Liara we met in ME2. I wish that they had the Shadow Broker theme play over this scene. I'm not going to attack her on being in Shepard's quarters after his dreams because she's essentially filling in our expository role that Ashley and Kaidan played in the first game and Miranda and Jacob played in the second. It's a necessary role...

This one understands.

I think the problem about the last part, is that we know as the gamer, that this is the last game for Shepard's story, yet not all Shepards want to have Liara fill that role, not her fault obviously, but I guess expectations and such make what we envision conflict a lot of things in the game itself.  The same could be said as # 2, I guess, but knowing that we had one last game doesn't help.  Where you can't say the same for ME3, since we know it's the end of his/her story. 

Modifié par spirosz, 28 octobre 2012 - 08:10 .