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ME: People should RESPECT Liara T'Soni. NO DEATH SCENE -.-. (Spoilers allowed.)


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I think people should give more respect to Liara T'Soni because Liara helped out the team greatly in the Mass Effect Trilogy. Liara even protected and searched for Shepard. Liara were going to help bring Shepard back but Cerberous did when Liara rescued Shepard. We all know Liara, Garrus, Tali had the biggest fan basis then the other characters. It wasn't stupid Cerberous and Miranda that bought Shepard back. Liara T'Soni did. {It was in the comics, mentioned in game.} Sorry for the ranting but it true.

I been seeing alot of people hating on Liara T'Soni. I don't think people fully understands what Liara T'Soni and Shepard been through even when Shepard were dead. The players had the choice not to Romance or interact with Liara or the other characters. They had the option to ignore them. The character isn't forced on you unless you wanted it to be. I don't like seeing topics about Killing Off Liara or other known characters. Liara is the one who bought and rescued Shepard and cared for Shepard the most then the other characters. We all know BioWare were the ones who created the wonderful universe and series. :)

That what I just think, please stop hating on characters and of course Liara and please start respecting characters and thier fans. :) I know I'm a Liaramancer and we all have likes and dislikes, pinions but I respect characters and their fans. I know I dislike some of them as well. Thank you, please be respectful. :)


I wholeheartedly agree with the premise of respect in your post.  Fans around the BSN  are not necessarily known for their mature, kind, or respectful treatment of each other.  The atmosphere of these forums could certainly stand a large improvement on that front.  If you want a kinder, gentler crowd, head over to HTL.

At the same time, players are going to like characters they like, and dislike ones that they don't. There is nothing that can be done about that.  Liara isn't any more deserving of respect than any character in the series, regardless of her role.  It is in fact a result of her role that so many fans dislike her.  While you enjoy her role and see it appropriate, a player that doesn't like her is resentful of the additional screentime she receives in comprison to other squadmembers. That resentfulness is even more pungent when she takes on a role that would be better filled by Shepard's own LI.  And more pungent yet, when the player cannot do anything about it -- especially considering that the player can pretty much dictate the amount of interactions they have with every other squad member in the game.

Obviously Liara's role in the series is not "her" fault.  She's a fictitous character (and therefore not worthy of "respect", per se...at least in my book, lol).  It's the "fault" of the Mass Effect team.  They are the ones that determined the direction of her character in the game.  Unfortunately, because folks can't really yell at the devs in these forums, they take it out on the character and fans.  Not particularly mature, but certainly predictable and to an extent understandable.  I'm not condoning their behavior, I'm simply saying that it's easy to understand where they are coming from.  The best thing you can do is ignore the trolls.  You won't change their minds, so don't waste your time trying.

With that said, I don't have any particular love or hate for Liara.  I'm a bit indifferent.  I love the LotSB, but I  didn't love it b/c she was in it, I  loved it b/c it was a very well written and designed DLC.  However, when ME3 rolled around even I started to get peeved that she kept showing up everywhere, and my interactions with her kept feeling like I was being "pushed" in a romantic direction.  This was exceedingly annoying and hurtful to a certain extent, considering my Shep's LI was dying on the Citadel.  I couldn't do anything to make Liara bugger off, and I  certainly couldn't go and interact with my Shep's own LI, because he had basically zero conversation options.  Definitely, not cool.


I agree with all of this - good discussion on both sides!!   Unfortunately, many of the fans on the Bioware board are not kind, helpful or respectful to one another.    Maturity is not always their strong point.    There is no reason to hate Liara.    Liara is one of my favorite characters in the entire trilogy and getting to see her mature throughout the trilogy was fantastic.     Liara wasn't my love interest but she is definitely an integral character and had a lot of great scenes throughout the games.    I definitely can't imagine the series without Liara, personally.    I can see where some people might be unhappy about the disproportionate amount of screentime Liara receives as opposed to say Miranda Lawson (I know I'm not entirely pleased about that), but to take that out on the character doesn't quite make sense.    You can't make fans respect or appreciate her, but I can tell this is a character you're definitely passionate about and people will (or should) respect that at least!  

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Steelcan wrote...
That is dumbest thing ever, of all time

Good work there, making a comment on something without understanding the context.

Are you sure it is not you who is the dumbest thing of all time? <3

Easy to see why the entire LI subforum got locked down...

Modifié par Davik Kang, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .


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@ kratos0294; SNascimento: I never said Liara was the only character that was that important, but that does not mean she does not diserve respect for that. Tali and the others diserve that respect as well.

But Liara tells us quite clearly that if she had not stopped the other Shadow Broker, he would have sold Shepard's body to the collectors. And once they would had it, Cerberus would have had no chance of recovering it.

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Davik Kang wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
That is dumbest thing ever, of all time

Good work there, making a comment on something without understanding the context.

Are you sure it is not you who is the dumbest thing of all time? <3

Easy to see why the entire LI subforum got locked down...

. I was referencing RvB.  That was just the most applicable quote on the page.  

as for the LI forum:whistle:

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Davik Kang wrote...

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Lol, I was about to start a thread saying the same thing.

Would you kill someone who brought you back to life out of friendship or love?
If say you would, then you're just trying to act like a badass over the Internet.

BTW, Liara always has a crush on you.

I kept getting cold feet with Shepard's various potential LI's, and everytime she decided who she wanted, the gate was closed.

I never even paid Liara much attention... until at the end, when Shepard was about to die, I thought back on all the things Liara had said and done.  

I remembered how Shepard had recued her in ME1. How Liara had then recovered her body in ME2.  How she'd then taken the time not just to build a device to record our efforts against the Reapers, but also another to record the story of Shepard, and she asks you how you'd like Shepard to be remembered.

It occured to me that throughout her extremely long life and archaeological career, Liara probably considered Shepard to be the most incredible thing she'd ever discovered.  Yet it was Shepard who had found her.

I remember realising, too late, that Liara was the one who truly loved Shepard.  And after all the awkward romance failures and no-go options, I'd missed the obvious one, the friend who'd always been there.


i just started my 3rd attempt at ME3 and just yesterday i told my canon LI(ahsley) to bugger off. ashley was interesting in ME1 with her family ties and poetry, and shes a hot brunette and i knew she was going to be a squadmate in ME3, which is very important to who my LI was gonig to be. but in ME3 ashley SUCKS.  shes an untrusting, cinical, idiot. im sick of hearing "yeah but CERBERUS, shepard!"

and i was trying to think who my new LI was going to be, and it didnt take long for me to pick liara really becuase of all the reasons you just listsed. her voice actor is so god damned hot too.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:08 .


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Argolas wrote...

@ kratos0294; SNascimento: I never said Liara was the only character that was that important, but that does not mean she does not diserve respect for that. Tali and the others diserve that respect as well.

But Liara tells us quite clearly that if she had not stopped the other Shadow Broker, he would have sold Shepard's body to the collectors. And once they would had it, Cerberus would have had no chance of recovering it.

. Liara could have just as easily been anyone else for that story.  The only reason it wasn't was because BioWare needed to incorporate ME squadmates in the ME2 story

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Liara is always a good choice...
She also has her tempers, because - you know - she is 1/4 krogan...

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I have no problem with Liara personaly, just think she's the least useful companion... Garrus and Wrex kick so much more ass, and they don't try to mindrape me all the time.

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Solmanian wrote...

I have no problem with Liara personaly, just think she's the least useful companion... Garrus and Wrex kick so much more ass, and they don't try to mindrape me all the time.

That is actually true. Garrus and especially Wrex have the funniest lines in ME1 (I'm ignoring combat here).

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Steelcan wrote...

Argolas wrote...

@ kratos0294; SNascimento: I never said Liara was the only character that was that important, but that does not mean she does not diserve respect for that. Tali and the others diserve that respect as well.

But Liara tells us quite clearly that if she had not stopped the other Shadow Broker, he would have sold Shepard's body to the collectors. And once they would had it, Cerberus would have had no chance of recovering it.

. Liara could have just as easily been anyone else for that story.  The only reason it wasn't was because BioWare needed to incorporate ME squadmates in the ME2 story


It would've been awesome if konrad verner to liara place in the plot. not completely ofcourse but the part about tracking don sgepard body, and becoming the shadow broker, it would be such a growth to one of the favorite NPC's of the MEverse.

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Barquiel wrote...

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Liara was there because Cerberus wanted her there. Miranda talked to Liara and Feron when Shepard body was still in Omega. And the only reason why the body left the system in the first place, was because TIM said to Miranda let it go. Cerberus was on top of the situation the whole time. The point is not what would happen if Liara failed. The point is they would find someone else to do the job if Liara wasn't here.
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The information recovered on Mars led TIM to the beacon of Thessia. Liara couldn't make the same connection. Clearly showing her skills as a SB are not tier 1. 



And TIM obviously thought Liara and Feron have the best chance of success. That's why he contacted her.

Because Cerberus had much more time to study the data. TIMs sexbot erased most of the data on Mars, remember?


@ kratos0294
Nobody said Shepard can't "respect" more than one person ;)



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Yes, he did. But that doesn't change what I'm saying.
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And all data Dr. Eva collected was available do Liara. There is really no excuse for her to miss that info expect the fact she is not a SB level information broker. 

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Steelcan wrote...
I was referencing RvB.  That was just the most applicable quote on the page.  
as for the LI forum[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I see.  I haven't seen it even though I've been recommended it multiple times


The Spamming Troll wrote...
i just started my 3rd attempt at ME3 and just yesterday i told my canon LI(ahsley) to bugger off. ashley was interesting in ME1 with her family ties and poetry, and shes a hot brunette and i knew she was going to be a squadmate in ME3, which is very important to who my LI was gonig to be. but in ME3 ashley SUCKS.  shes an untrusting, cinical, idiot. im sick of hearing "yeah but CERBERUS, shepard!" 

and i was trying to think who my new LI was going to be, and it didnt take long for me to pick liara really becuase of all the reasons you just listsed. her voice actor is so god damned hot too.

To be fair to Ashley, she did come out and describe Shepard as a GOD in ME2.

Ash does lack the fleshed-out personality of other characters in ME3, but I think her Cerberus obsession comes from the fact she near-enough worships Shepard; and what with her history and general deep-rooted distrust of others, seeing Shepard work for Cerberus must have felt like a betrayal that would have been hard to get over.  

It was her ME1 mission with Shepard that got her to question her anti-alien views in the first place.  Cerberus and the Alliance are diametrically-opposed forces trying to represent humanity, so to see Shepard move over to that extremist group must have been especially hard to understand.

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 I like how the character discussions have simply moved to the story forum now<_<

As for Liara, her role could have easily fallen on anyone else.  She was a necessary character.

Though not my favorite character, I never did understand the hate towards her. Take her for what she is, just another character in a story.  If  you don't like her, finish your discussions with her and move on to the rest.

Does she DESERVE respect?  I think that is a strong word, and depending on your Shepard, the answer truely could be no.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .


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She's a two dimensional character that's practically made of plot-armour.

I can't help but love her though, she's sweet. She's no Tali or Garrus though.

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YOU SHOULD OF RESPECTED MY AUTHORITAH.

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ToaOrka wrote...

She's a two dimensional character that's practically made of plot-armour.

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. I fixed it for you ;)

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I think the issue most have with Liara is that it felt like you were pushed toward her to experience the best LI and game experience possible.

LI other than Liara had issues, even Team Dextro and especially Thane and Jacob. So when you see what Liara got, it's a kick in the quad.

Plus it felt like she was shoehorned in too many places and the player has no control over it. Having to take her on so many missions? Coming up the cabin? It would have been nice if I wanted her there, but most of the time I did not.

A simple solution to the Liara "hate" would be to bring up all romances to her level, not had it where she was coming to your cabin(maybe put your LI or the person you talked to the most there), and reduce the mandatory number of missions she had to go on.

But since ME3 is done, this will never happen.

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i am fine with liara . unless it turns out she mind raped my shepard with the "gift" she offered . than i will be upset

not my favorite though , but to each their own


@DineBoo

what you talking about, Jacobs romance was the best

Modifié par ghost9191, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:35 .


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Nut sure if serious, but Jacob didn't deserve that, no matter how disliked his character was.

Plus the borderline stereotypes in that situation didn't help.

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yeah it was a joke. that was just like a lawl moment. kinda like really , kinda screwed over the jacob romancers

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I thought there weren't supposed to be any character threads... :?

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 I don't have a problem with Liara per se, every character has there strengths and weaknesses. The massive imbalances in the level of content does bother me though, as does the fact that its pretty much canon that Shep wants to bang her. 

*Long Pause* Liara.........      Its not as bad as Manshep though, couldn't find his. 

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Saberchic wrote...

I thought there weren't supposed to be any character threads... :?



shh.... if you mention it they will hear you :bandit:

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Just to make you all mad. Liara actually got pregnant whenever she gave you the gift.

At least it's not any worse than hepititus C lady (jack) forcing herself on you in me2.

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SNascimento wrote...

And all data Dr. Eva collected was available do Liara. There is really no excuse for her to miss that info expect the fact she is not a SB level information broker. 


Humanity had the archive for over 30 years to research, and didn't find the blueprints for a superweapon. Liara found them in less than 6 months. And Liara is not a SB level information broker because an advanced synthetic can datamine computers faster than an organic? That's your argument?

Modifié par Barquiel, 27 octobre 2012 - 04:13 .