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[AtreiyaN7]

EntropicAngel wrote...

You've got to be KIDDING me.

CAN NO ONE SPELL "CANON."

That was pretty much my reaction on seeing the title.

[Drew Hawke]

I can but autocorrect likes to mess up what I write and I can't always catch it.

Believe I take pride in my grammar skills; this typo brings me great shame.

[Icesong]

By the way, I loved The Ellimist. I still think about that evolution game they played and hope I get to play something like it.

No, Spore doesn't count.

[AtreiyaN7]

The only reason that typo drives me nuts is that I'm a book designer - lol. On a slightly more serious note...I honestly don't really have an issue with alterations to a game narrative or a whole universe. I'm a ST:TOS fan, and hey, I still liked the recent Star Trek reboot even though it involved some serious changes.

If someone does something...obviously stupid and contradictory in an ongoing tv series that defies logic, I would have a problem with that. If you want to make cosmetic changes to qunari or another race and add an explanation, that does not bother me even if it breaks the supposed canon (it's not like I was bothered when the appearance of Klingons changed over the years).

[Drew Hawke]

Icesong wrote...

By the way, I loved The Ellimist. I still think about that evolution game they played and hope I get to play something like it.

No, Spore doesn't count.

i wish I could play as well I loved the character of toomin when I was a kid

[Drew Hawke]

EntropicAngel wrote...

*sigh* fine, OP.

believe me I understand your frustration; but please tell me you've never made a typo in your life

[CaptainBlackGold]

Poor Drew - I feel your pain man, honestly! Though to be honest, I really, really wanted to make some bad pun about "cannons" and certain people being "big bores" about it.

After all, its not like you called a "rogue" rouge or anything... :-)

But getting back to what "canon" means... Who was that character in Alice in Wonderland who insisted that words meant only what he intended them to mean, regardless of what others thought they might of meant?

Agreed, words can and do change their meaning over time, but that does not eliminate malapropisms - or people creating new meanings out of thin air.

And this relates to DA3 because I really would like to know if Bioware does in fact have a "canon" version, in the sense of "an approved list of actions that have taken place and define the DA universe" and whether or not the books, comics and other media are "canonical" meaning "This is what really happened and sets the stage for what will happen."

I have so many characters who have made so many different decisions that it does not make a difference what events Bioware declares to be "canon" - I would just like to know.

[Drew Hawke]

Thank you captain, I appriciate you understanding

[KiwiQuiche]

....it's spelled canon.

Honestly people, it's not that hard.

In response to the post though, didn't some DA folk say how there isn't a real set canon, apart from the big picture i.e Blight destroyed, Qunari throwing a rage and whatnot?

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:45 .

[Emzamination]

People, stop riding the boy over a simple homophone mistake.

[CaptainBlackGold]

Emzamination wrote...

People, stop riding the boy over a simple homophone mistake.

Hey, I don't think he intended in any way to be anti-gay...

(See what I did there?):innocent:

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Drew Hawke wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

*sigh* fine, OP.

believe me I understand your frustration; but please tell me you've never made a typo in your life

I nevr have.

[Palipride47]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

....it's spelled canon.

Honestly people, it's not that hard.

In response to the post though, didn't some DA folk say how there isn't a real set canon, apart from the big picture i.e Blight destroyed, Qunari throwing a rage and whatnot?

Honsetly, I think he got it the first 8 trillion times. Especially when Darth Gaider pointed it out. 

[mousestalker]

OP, you should be able to change the title. Just edit your very first post.

[Installation17]

I have no opinion on this, as I haven't read any of the books+whatnot, but Canon is offical chronology. Cannon is a war machine. Nevermind.

Modifié par Installation17, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Palipride47]

mousestalker wrote...

OP, you should be able to change the title. Just edit your very first post.

You can do that?

Do that, OP, and put the silliness to an end!

Thanks, mousestalker! 

[Emzamination]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

People, stop riding the boy over a simple homophone mistake.

Hey, I don't think he intended in any way to be anti-gay...

(See what I did there?):innocent:

Lmao eye sea

[Drew Hawke]

Palipride47 wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

OP, you should be able to change the title. Just edit your very first post.

You can do that?

Do that, OP, and put the silliness to an end!

Thanks, mousestalker! 

Thank you both; I hope that will end that mess.

[Drew Hawke]

And for the record I'm in no way anti-gay; it's about love not your physical make up.

[Doctoglethorpe]

The way I see it for Dragon Age, the only real canon in the games are the major events that are always the same in every play through, the characters involved, etc.    Everything in the books and comics is canon as well.  Basically everythign that is singular and not able to more.

Everything else however is all "folklore" canon.  As in to say there aren't really official records on the finer details, but rather the story is passed around so much in folk tales that there are multiple depictions of what took place.  Nobody is really certain which is true, in one they may hear about the warewolves being cured and another person might come along and say "no, they fought with us at denerim!" and they just have to pick one that seems right to them.  As players, we basically dictate our own version of that story, flawed though it may be when compared to  "official records" (books, established singulars in sequels, etc) and we just have to accept that reality.  Some of us will prefer to change their own accounting to match estabilished canon, others will prefer to keep the story they way they originally told it because they just think its a better story.  This happens in the real world, and so its how I interprit the games world too.  At least as long as the retconning of events that were previously multi-branched into singular official cannons is kept at a minimum and and the retcons are in favor of the most popular and seemingly intended rout anyways.  But they will probably (hopefully) plan ahead for that stuff more now then they did in Origins. 

I'm probably not one to talk though since so far everything that was retconned so far was in favor of the decisions I had already made myself.  Liliana was alive and hardened, Alistar was king, Isabella was saved, etc.  If I was on the other end of that I might not feel so open midned about it lol.  Who knows. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 28 octobre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Dragoonlordz]

David Gaider wrote...

First off, it's "canon". A cannon is a weapon that fires cannonballs, while a canon is a collected body of written work. This often gets confused with canon being something that is established between games, as in the "real" story that overrides whatever choices you made in the last one. They are not the same thing.

The novels and comics contribute to Dragon Age canon. As I just mentioned in another thread, the events depicted may also happen in your personal version of the story-- but only if they work in context. Anything introduced from those stories into future games would need to be done on the assumption someone didn't read them, so you're not required to. They exist as independent tales, perhaps exploring choices in the game which you may not have taken.

If you're not interested in learning more about what might have been, then feel free to ignore them. Our feelings will not be hurt. We will, however, continue to write such ancillary stories... and, if they exist in the future and not the past, they will continue to have to choose a particular version of events since they cannot alter themselves to suit your choices in the game. All such versions are equally valid, and do not dictate the "right" way to play your game.

This element is why I want your books to be written in the format of 'choose your wn adventure' type books. Mainly because I love those types of books but also because carries on the principle of choice not only in your games but also in your books.

[CaptainBlackGold]

Drew Hawke wrote...

And for the record I'm in no way anti-gay; it's about love not your physical make up.

That's exactly what we'd expect a homophone to say...

[Teddie Sage]

@Captain: You mean homophobe. Homophone means something else.