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[TG XTerminatorX]

 I have a valiant 3. I play almost exculively platinum, but will occasionally play gold or silver. After the sniper buffs (that did not include the valiant), I have found that the valiant is nothing compared to a black widow. It is easier to make every shot count with a slower sniper, and each shot does a lot more damage. I have no idea why, at least on the higher difficulties, anyone would use a valiant over a black widow if they were at equal levels, let alone if the valiant is lower, which it often is. Feel free to let me know if I'm wrong on this.

note: I know the Valiant destroys bronze and even silver, but so does almost any gun.

[Yajuu Omoi]

It has a higher Sustained DPS than a B.Widow of the same level. Though a smaller Burst DPS, it's can keep firing for more damage where the B.Widow does a bigger chunk in one blast.

It's not under-powered.

Valiant X:
Burst DPS: 859.17
Sust. DPS: 571.78
Single Shot: 515.50
Full Clip: 1546.50
RoF: 100.00
Reload Time (non-RC): 0.93

B. Widow X:
Burst DPS: 923.80
Sust. DPS: 461.90
Single Shot: 923.80
Full Clip: 2771.40
RoF: 60.00
Reload Time (non-RC): 2.97

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:35 .

[cuzIMgood]

Feels slighty underpowered with all the recent black widow/sniper buffs but it is still a great gun imo.

Modifié par cuzIMgood, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:20 .

[tictactucrac]

I think that too op. Valiant II, doesn't one one shot a bronze cannibal with tactical cloak and lvl III ammo, haha. Black widow >>>> valiant now.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:22 .

[TG XTerminatorX]

For me, shield-gate wrecks it. The first shot tends to g the shield down to about two bars, then the second shot is wrecked. Then the third shot doesn't finish the job.

[Heldarion]

I used it yesterday for the weekend challenge (was on level 4) and I was pleasantly surprised. Fantastic rate of fire and very good damage. I then unlocked level 5 in the commendation pack. Still want Hurricane though :|

[White Flag]

It is not underpowered. It is perfect.

[CronisN7]

yea i much preffer my BW over the valiant now. BW really packs a punch. I think the viper X actually does almost the same damage per shot as my valiant I.

[SiIencE]

I've just received a Valiant II and i can't say i've noticed any improvement really Currently the Crusader IV is my sniper rifle

[ToLazy4Name]

Valiant at X is probably the best sniper in the game. Remember, you don't have it at a high level.

[Deathshroud09]

^LOL at people going for bodyshots with the Valiant.....It has that awesome stability for a reason.

[xassantex]

hmm, it doesn't do much for my SMG challenge points , but neither does the Claymore, it's problematic.

[sareth_65536]

Valiant may find some use on non-infiltrator and cooldown dependant class otherwise there is no point to use it over BW if you can reload cancel

[Deerber]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

It has a higher Sustained DPS than a B.Widow of the same level. Though a smaller Burst DPS, it's can keep firing for more damage where the B.Widow does a bigger chunk in one blast.

It's not under-powered.

Valiant X:
Burst DPS: 859.17
Sust. DPS: 571.78
Single Shot: 515.50
Full Clip: 1546.50
RoF: 100.00
Reload Time (non-RC): 0.93

B. Widow X:
Burst DPS: 923.80
Sust. DPS: 461.90
Single Shot: 923.80
Full Clip: 2771.40
RoF: 60.00
Reload Time (non-RC): 2.97

That is, assuming you don't reload cancel. What if you do? Have you got any information? I would think the BW has superior sustained dps in that case? Thank you for sharing, anyway :happy:

[capn233]

sareth_65536 wrote...

Valiant may find some use on non-infiltrator and cooldown dependant class otherwise there is no point to use it over BW if you can reload cancel

Basically this.

Valiant still has good sustained DPS though.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Deerber wrote...

That is, assuming you don't reload cancel. What if you do? Have you got any information? I would think the BW has superior sustained dps in that case? Thank you for sharing, anyway :happy:

Yes, if you can reliably reload cancel, the B.Widow will be better.

MastahDisastah wrote...

These numbers are meaningless.
As promotional weapon valiant is incredibly hard to level up, so a perfect comparison is really hard.
I have Black Widow X since late July, I partecipated to every single operation from the 3rd to now and I only have valiant 4.
Now not everyone has BW X, but it's more likely to get it to level X compared to Valiant.
Besides, sustained DPS is not the only argument when comparing sniper rifles...a good sniper that can land headshots consistently will dispatch mobs much more quickier with a BW. Sustained DPS can be counted only when facing bosses or heavy armored units, and then again the difference is not that large. Actually is next to none between a BW X and a valiant 4-5.

HOW are the numbers meaningless?
It shows that the weapon it is supposed to be comparable to is just that.
They are even with eachother.

I have a B.Widow VIII and Valiant VII, and from experience I can say that they are very "neck-and-neck" so to speak.
The Valiant does its damage over a longer stretch, but fires and reloads faster. While the Black Widow does its damage in big chunks, though it fires and reloads much slower.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:08 .

[ForTuchanka]

It's not underpowered. It's just that you're used to it being the best in almost every category multishot sniper rifle that put all the rest to shame like it was for months. I used it yesterday for the challenge after switching to the black widow for a week after the bunch and it's still awesome. It's just that there are now viable alternatives to using it with a real benefit to complement the downsides of those guns compared with the valiant. Previously, the "benefit" to using a BW was a tiny bit more damage in exchange for worse fire rate, worse recoil, and worse reload speed even if cancelling. Now, the damage is finally worth those downsides.

TLDR: The valiant still rocks but isn't a complete no brainer choice gun relative to the other snipers now.

[Metzeten]

I agreed with you until I did the weekend challenge. The new Tsol weapon damage buffs, + Marksman, + valiant and eagle.

A class I have more or less never played was topping the charts.
The valiant isn't as (Comparitively) bad as I once thought.
Still using the widows mostly though. But that said, I only have 2.5 sniper infiltrators these days.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Fine...lets do this then
Valiant I:
Burst DPS: 660.33
Sust. DPS: 465.38
Single Shot: 396.20
Full Clip: 1188.60
RoF: 100.00
Reload Time (non-RC): 0.93

B. Widow I:
Burst DPS: 1231.67
Sust. DPS: 371.36
Single Shot: 739.00
Full Clip: 2217.00
RoF: 60.00
Reload Time (non-RC): 2.97

And the pattern remains. B.Widow does its damage in big chunks, and Valaint pelts enemies with multiple shots to do its damage.

EDIT: Formatting

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:27 .

[Fortack]

tictactucrac wrote...

I think that too op. Valiant II, doesn't one one shot a bronze cannibal with tactical cloak and lvl III ammo, haha. Black widow >>>> valiant now.

Valiant is headshot monster. I only have the Valiant I but it will kill Cannibals with a single shot and Marauders in two (on gold). Black Widow (which I have at level X is better against the big armored enemies for sure, but Valiant is better against mooks. It's also worth mentioning that you can (almost) empty two clips between Cloaks instead of a single Black Widow clip.

The only thing that goes against the Valiant are Phasic Rounds. The Black Widow with those rounds can kill everything Cerb has to offer (except Atlas and turret) with a single (head)shot (gold). The Valiant 1 cannot match this, but perhaps the Valiant X can, but with the pathetic promotion weapon system I probably never find out

Modifié par Fortack, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:27 .

[MacGarrus]

Valiant is idiot proof. You can headshot so much easier with a recoiless sniper with a stupidly high ROF and reload speed than you can with the Black Widow which kicks like a mule and has a comparatively low number of rounds it can put down field in the same space of time as a Valiant user. For me, I'd always rather use my Valiant 1 than my Black Widow 7 because it's more dependable.

[Zancloufer]

Valiant handles sooo nicely it isn't funny. Still if your good enough to head-shot semi-reliably with the BW it kicks the **** out of the Valiant.

Yes the Valiant has "Better DPS" but with reload cancel and cloak cycles the Valiant actually has a much lower DPS. I can fire all 3 BW shots in a cloak window and then RC with a new cloak. The Valiant's DPS cloaked doesn't account for the fact you spend almost half your time waiting for CD. Half it's DPS and that's what happens in reality.

It could use a buff for a promotional weapon. It's nice, just doesn't scale well with difficulty,sucks against bosses and is at least as hard, if not harder to level than the BW.

[STRANGE10VE]

Feels a little underpowered. The HVB and phasic rounds help alot though.