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[Chevyboy88]

It's a fantastic weapon for pretty much any kit that want's a light, long range weapon that can crank off headshot after headshot.

That said for my infiltrator that want's a multi shot sniper rifle, I'll take the much harder hitting and much higher burst DPS (more important in real world applications than sustained) BW.

[HolyAvenger]

I find the Valiant and BW on par. Yes the BW hits harder, but the recoil and reload time means that the Valiant can squeeze out shot after shot and put out very good DPS, especially if you can headshot.

They are the best two sniper rifles in the game...OK, now with the Jav buff, that's top-tier as well..

[Destructo-Bot]

With the updated fire/cryo explosion mechanics, the Valiant does a hell of a lot more damage than the numbers would suggest on a proxy infiltrator. Due to its light weight and rapid shots you can use the proxy mine to trigger nearly constant fire/cryo explosions with ammo powers. AOE debuff + AOE damage = awesome. I can wipe out entire spawns with the Valiant in short order. The Krysae is back.

Also, its ergonomics are great. Snap-shots and quick scoping is a breeze, and you'll never get caught in a down-cycle by enemies because the Valiant is always ready to go due to it's insanely fast refire and reload times.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[Grunt_Platform]

The Valiant is easy to get but hard to level up—A Valiant I makes a great substitute for high-power UR weapons before you get them, and has trouble competing as you start leveling up your URs.

I'd say that's actually a fairly healthy spot for a promotional weapon, though I think there's a case to be made for tightening its value ranges on damage and weight.

Modifié par EvanKester, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[Eurhetemec]

Zancloufer wrote...

Valiant handles sooo nicely it isn't funny. Still if your good enough to head-shot semi-reliably with the BW it kicks the **** out of the Valiant.

Yes the Valiant has "Better DPS" but with reload cancel and cloak cycles the Valiant actually has a much lower DPS. I can fire all 3 BW shots in a cloak window and then RC with a new cloak. The Valiant's DPS cloaked doesn't account for the fact you spend almost half your time waiting for CD. Half it's DPS and that's what happens in reality.

It could use a buff for a promotional weapon. It's nice, just doesn't scale well with difficulty,sucks against bosses and is at least as hard, if not harder to level than the BW.

I think the bolded bit is pretty key. The Valiant is just very very user-friendly. Technically, with RC and cloak, I agree, the BW is better, but the Valiant is so easy and pleasant to use, and works better for non-Infiltrators (for the most part), that I think it's still a very solid gun. No-one would say no to a buff, though!

[GroverA125]

It's not underpowered. It has the highest DPS (In all areas) of all snipers in the game, it can even compete with a claymore at mid-long range for DPS without going for headshots.

It is the Harrier of sniper rifles, burns through mags at an alarming rate but drops targets like nothing else. Nothing underpowered about it, it's the best sniper you can possibly get your hands on, simple as that.

[GriM_AoD]

It's allright if you can reliably headshot with it. Bodyshots with it are pretty crap.

More of a Javelin guy myself

[Blind2Society]

I will say, that without ED or TC, yes it is.

[mpompeo27]

If you think the Valiant is underpowered, you're doing it wrong.

[J4mes]

Salarian Infiltrator is the only class to use this on, and you have to spec for it specifically.

*****

This is the Default Widow/Javelin/BW/Collector SR Build.

http://narida.pytalh...ian/PAKOR//////

*****

This one is for all the other.

http://narida.pytalh...ian/PAKPR//////

*****

*Special Notes*

You have to Factor in Gear+Power Passives so that Energy Drain 1-Shots all Mook Shields.  The Best Gear for Salarian Infiltrator is essentially the Operative Package 5.

It would be optimal to take all the extra Weapon Damage/Headhots passives in Rank 4/5, but then you have to equip a Power Amp Armor Module.  Basically, you have to decide if you always want to use consumables or not.  I use the first build, yes it is less DPS with the weaker guns, but it works for every Sniper.

My Geth Infiltrator is setup to use the Javelin specifically as well.

http://narida.pytalh...eth/PANNR//////

Modifié par J4mes, 15 novembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Blind2Society]

I use the kishock on my SI, the only class I use the valiant on is my SE and the carnifex/paladin does it better.

[HolyAvenger]

mpompeo27 wrote...

If you think the Valiant is underpowered, you're doing it wrong.

This. No weapon that can dominate on Plat can be considered underpowered. And I'm not a great sniper.

[J4mes]

Blind2Society wrote...

I use the kishock on my SI, the only class I use the valiant on is my SE and the carnifex/paladin does it better.

Kishock is better on any class that can stack DoTs.

I.E. Batarian Soldier with Inferno Grenade+Ballistic Blades(don't take the Explode Evolution just Damage, and Power Damage Passives)+Incendary Ammo.

SI has zero Syngergy with the Kishock.

[mr_slowpoker]

tictactucrac wrote...

I think that too op. Valiant II, doesn't one one shot a bronze cannibal with tactical cloak and lvl III ammo, haha. Black widow >>>> valiant now.

Are you kidding? <_<

[SiIencE]

I agree with the OP, Valiant feels underpowered.

Sniper rifles in general feel underpowered, your better off using a paladin or crusader for that matter.

[Swan Killer]

whalewhisker wrote...

I think you're forgetting how light it is. It does really really good damage for its weight.

Yes, and it would matter, if a Fury+Valiant build were a popular and powerful build.
If I'm sniping, I'm using an inflitrator class and the last thing I care about is the weight. 

[Blind2Society]

J4mes wrote...

SI has zero Syngergy with the Kishock.

It's a sniper rifle, that's synergy right there. You're out of your mind.

[Tankcommander]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I find the Valiant and BW on par. Yes the BW hits harder, but the recoil and reload time means that the Valiant can squeeze out shot after shot and put out very good DPS, especially if you can headshot.

They are the best two sniper rifles in the game...OK, now with the Jav buff, that's top-tier as well..

BW >> Valiant.

I used the Valiant when getting my Sniper banner, and disliked the weapon a lot. Much preferred the Mantis. Why? The black widow is much faster and much more accurate. Once you get the recoil down, you can fire as fast as you can line up  a shot (I get three hits in 2 seconds), as opposed to the Valiant, which has a recharge time during which it won't hit where the crosshairs are, no matter if you have it lined up perfectly. This further weakens a weapon with no innate piercing and less damage than the Black Widow.

The Valiant is one of the weakest snipers IMO. I almost preferred the Viper to it. Black Widow, Kishock, and Mantis are where it is at, and Javelin if you figure out its quirks.

[HolyAvenger]

Tankcommander wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I find the Valiant and BW on par. Yes the BW hits harder, but the recoil and reload time means that the Valiant can squeeze out shot after shot and put out very good DPS, especially if you can headshot.

They are the best two sniper rifles in the game...OK, now with the Jav buff, that's top-tier as well..

BW >> Valiant.

I used the Valiant when getting my Sniper banner, and disliked the weapon a lot. Much preferred the Mantis. Why? The black widow is much faster and much more accurate. Once you get the recoil down, you can fire as fast as you can line up  a shot (I get three hits in 2 seconds), as opposed to the Valiant, which has a recharge time during which it won't hit where the crosshairs are, no matter if you have it lined up perfectly. This further weakens a weapon with no innate piercing and less damage than the Black Widow.

The Valiant is one of the weakest snipers IMO. I almost preferred the Viper to it. Black Widow, Kishock, and Mantis are where it is at, and Javelin if you figure out its quirks.

I'm a sniper infiltrator fanboy, so happy to have this discussion

K, here's where its at. The Valiant fires quickly, has no recoil and reload super fast. I also don't find it any less accurate than any other SR. I've never had an issue with recharge time. For mook killing, for me, there's no contest. Its all about the Valiant. Its very forgiving as missing a shot doesn't penalise you nearly as much as the BW (and definitely the single-shot SRs).

For boss-killing...yes the BW is better. However, the lack of recoil on the Valiant means I can dish out a steady stream of headshots without having to worry about managing recoil. This about puts the two on par for me. Stick the HVB on it, some drill ammo and go to town.

I'm doing the Mantis challenge now with my SI, and the damage output is nowhere near what a properly handled Valiant can dish out. There are precisely 4 SRs in the game I would take (and have taken) to Platinum and expect them to do well: Widow, Black Widow, Javelin and Valiant. For me, the rest don't even come close. And the single-shot SRs are much more viable thanks to the fact Plat is a boss rush. On Gold, its definitely BW and Valiant, and then the rest.

If the Valiant is getting this much hate, I might need to do a Plat gameplay video to showcase its abilities...

[NuclearTech76]

BW is the better weapon for higher difficulties for me because you're exposed less. Give me burst DPS over sustained any day. The Valiant is a fine sniper rifle if you have it at a high level and can consistently headshot but you just aren't going to see the in game performance of the Javelin or BW on platinum, IMO. The in game versus paper DPS are different.

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

I think it could stand a little bit of a power boost.

Modifié par xIREDEEMEDIx, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Tankcommander]

HolyAvenger wrote...
I'm a sniper infiltrator fanboy, so happy to have this discussion

K, here's where its at. The Valiant fires quickly, has no recoil and reload super fast. I also don't find it any less accurate than any other SR. I've never had an issue with recharge time. For mook killing, for me, there's no contest. Its all about the Valiant. Its very forgiving as missing a shot doesn't penalise you nearly as much as the BW (and definitely the single-shot SRs).

For boss-killing...yes the BW is better. However, the lack of recoil on the Valiant means I can dish out a steady stream of headshots without having to worry about managing recoil. This about puts the two on par for me. Stick the HVB on it, some drill ammo and go to town.

I'm doing the Mantis challenge now with my SI, and the damage output is nowhere near what a properly handled Valiant can dish out. There are precisely 4 SRs in the game I would take (and have taken) to Platinum and expect them to do well: Widow, Black Widow, Javelin and Valiant. For me, the rest don't even come close. And the single-shot SRs are much more viable thanks to the fact Plat is a boss rush. On Gold, its definitely BW and Valiant, and then the rest.

If the Valiant is getting this much hate, I might need to do a Plat gameplay video to showcase its abilities...

You play PC right? Add me on origin. I'll be on tonight (in about 8 hours), and I'll be happy to go head-to-head with you, you using your valiant, me using the Black Widow. I'm positive the BW kills both mooks and bosses better, since I can often kill two or three mooks with one shot using the Widow, even without a piercing mod. It will be a fun challenge for us

Also:
I was rusty after a few weeks of little playtime...still, you get the idea why Black Widow is so powerful.

Modifié par Tankcommander, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[HolyAvenger]

Tankcommander wrote...
You play PC right? Add me on origin. I'll be on tonight (in about 8 hours), and I'll be happy to go head-to-head with you, you using your valiant, me using the Black Widow. I'm positive the BW kills both mooks and bosses better, since I can often kill two or three mooks with one shot using the Widow, even without a piercing mod. It will be a fun challenge for us

Well, there's a good chance you're just a better player than me which will dominate any impact of the guns we respectively use

But sure, we can play together tonight. Origin ID: Djeckeraero.

Edit: I'm in Europe, so the times might not work out.
Editx2: You're definitely a better player than me. Trust me, I'm not saying the BW is bad, just that the Valiant can be very good. This is me mucking around with the BW with some friends (no speedrun, sniper friendly map: www.youtube.com/watch)

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

BW = Bioware
BW = Black widow

therefor MASSIVE favoritism on a massive scale


buff the valiant...

IMHO more RoF or Accuracy, or damage

[Tankcommander]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Tankcommander wrote...
You play PC right? Add me on origin. I'll be on tonight (in about 8 hours), and I'll be happy to go head-to-head with you, you using your valiant, me using the Black Widow. I'm positive the BW kills both mooks and bosses better, since I can often kill two or three mooks with one shot using the Widow, even without a piercing mod. It will be a fun challenge for us

Well, there's a good chance you're just a better player than me which will dominate any impact of the guns we respectively use

But sure, we can play together tonight. Origin ID: Djeckeraero.

Edit: I'm in Europe, so the times might not work out.

Duo a gold sound alright? I've got some friends in Europe I play with around that time, but it ends up being 10-12pm your time. If that is too late we'll try it some other time.

EDIT: No, I agree, I'm not saying the Valiant is bad, but that other weapons can be more powerful.
The valiant is very user friendly, and so it is powerful in that way. The Black Widow and Kishock are not user friendly, requiring either reload canceling or great aim, but pay huge dividends the better you get with them. My issue with the Valiant is that it does not get better with skill.

I would like to see a video of you using a Valiant, so you can show me if I'm just using it wrong. When soloing for my Lone wolf banner, I couldn't fire my Valiant as fast as my BW without it missing. I'd have it aimed perfectly at the enemy's head, but the shot would fly past, not even hitting.

Modifié par Tankcommander, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .