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[HolyAvenger]

Sure, add me. Should be OK around that time. I still don't think it'll prove much besides the fact you're a better player

Edit: Well, I'll definitely record a viewpoint vid to showcase how I use it, and people can judge for themselves whether it was effective or not. I personally love the Valiant, and will never stop using it from time to time. Probably half and half with the Black Widow.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Cornughon]

Valiant is not bad, I'm doing the challenge of it right now. I don't have the feeling my lowly Valiant II is really up for Platinum though, it takes too long to destroy armored targets with it, even when headshotting. I use the HVB and the Thermal Scope, along with Drill Rounds. Standard mooks, like the Geth Hunter take about 2-3 headshots, which is fine.

It does feel kinda week compared to my Black Widow X though...

[M A F I A]

I have the Valiant at X and I am very happy about it; check signature for further thoughts.

[Heldarion]

The only underpowered thing about Valiant is it not always showing headshot animation.

[Torguemada]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

With the updated fire/cryo explosion mechanics, the Valiant does a hell of a lot more damage than the numbers would suggest on a proxy infiltrator. Due to its light weight and rapid shots you can use the proxy mine to trigger nearly constant fire/cryo explosions with ammo powers. AOE debuff + AOE damage = awesome. I can wipe out entire spawns with the Valiant in short order. The Krysae is back.

Well you can can do the exact same think with Viper, so thats not really anythink special for Valiant.

[capn233]

This thread is still around?

Some interesting perspectives.

Back in the olden days of 100% shield gate, there was a good argument to be had for the Valiant, since could much more rapidly land the multiple shots necessary to kill protected, mid tier enemies. At that time Black Widow was arguably better against trash mobs, and Valiant was better versus mid tier. It was debatable which was better versus bosses, since time to kill isn't hugely different on an infiltrator, but exposure to targets is. Black Widow can get all shots in under cloak bonus, then reload and cancel for the cooldown. Valiant would drastically lag Black Widow in real DPS if you only fired during cloak bonus, but you could catch if you fired another 3 shots during the cooldown. If course the issue is that you are exposed to enemy fire longer to have essentially the same damage as the end result.

Now that they have lowered shield gate, buffed Disruptor Ammo, and buffed the Black Widow, there aren't many cold, mathematical, reasons to favor the Valiant on an infiltrator. You can argue that it has better handling (which is a subjective argument I would agree with), but at the lower levels it does not have particularly good "ammo efficiency." It seemed pretty lackluster on when I ran it on Platinum. It is still a nice gun to use on Gold.

Should it be buffed? I don't think it needs to be buffed all that much. It never made sense to me that this light, scout type rifle should even compete at all with "anti-material" rifles in damage in the first place. Valiant weighs a lot less than Black Widow at similar levels. If anything, Maybe drop the weight at Level 1 to 1.5, but otherwise this weapon doesn't need much in the way of buffs. At least not when you consider the vast array of weapons that are more deserving that people should be concentrating on.

Modifié par capn233, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:25 .

[HolyAvenger]

capn233 wrote...

This thread is still around?

Some interesting perspectives.

Back in the olden days of 100% shield gate, there was a good argument to be had for the Valiant, since could much more rapidly land the multiple shots necessary to kill protected, mid tier enemies. At that time Black Widow was arguably better against trash mobs, and Valiant was better versus mid tier. It was debatable which was better versus bosses, since time to kill isn't hugely different on an infiltrator, but exposure to targets is. Black Widow can get all shots in under cloak bonus, then reload and cancel for the cooldown. Valiant would drastically lag Black Widow in real DPS if you only fired during cloak bonus, but you could catch if you fired another 3 shots during the cooldown. If course the issue is that you are exposed to enemy fire longer to have essentially the same damage as the end result.

This when I first fell in love with the Valiant (my BW I finally dropped a couple of weeks ago), so there's definitely an element of nostalgia in me defending it as well

[HolyAvenger]

Tankcommander wrote...

I would like to see a video of you using a Valiant, so you can show me if I'm just using it wrong. When soloing for my Lone wolf banner, I couldn't fire my Valiant as fast as my BW without it missing. I'd have it aimed perfectly at the enemy's head, but the shot would fly past, not even hitting.

www.youtube.com/watch


White/Geth/Plat. Platinum PUG I got dropped in at the end of the second wave (I started recording just after killing the geth pyro torching me as I got into the game and running for some cover). SI rocking Operative Package V, Sniper Rail Amp III, Drill Rounds III and...I want to say Cylonic IV? Valiant IV with HVB and extra ammo capacity (yes the second mod is pointless, I should've gone for both penetration mods...just had a brain fart I guess). I know its a slow time, but we were carrying one guy. And its a PUG.

For me, personally, its on par with the BW. I actually think it rewards skill more as headshots are more necessary to do damage and quick kills. But then again, my BW is only at I. I need it to level up.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:24 .