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Race matters (Can Bioware still change their minds?)

Débuté par JuGonzo , oct. 27 2012 02:44

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:44

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Race x Origins?

Why not both, for Maker's sake?! Of course a human can be many things, have many origins, but...

A human can't be a dwaven lord.

A human can't be an elven slave

A human can't be a Arishok

A human can't be a castless

A human can't be a da'len

Of course race matters - as origins too.  

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Sainna
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:46

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Why are you making this topic? Why?

No, there is no time for them to change their minds, it's far too late. I am sure they noticed that people like origins so we might get that in DA4 if it does come one day.
But it's not going to be in DA3, no matter how much noise there will be made, it's not going to be added now >.<

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MisterJB
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:46

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A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:48

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MisterJB wrote...

A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.


Again.

A human can't be a DWARVEN lord.

A human can't be an ELVEN slave

etc...

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:49

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Sainna wrote...

Why are you making this topic? Why?

No, there is no time for them to change their minds, it's far too late. I am sure they noticed that people like origins so we might get that in DA4 if it does come one day.
But it's not going to be in DA3, no matter how much noise there will be made, it's not going to be added now >.<


Because I can.

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Solmanian
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:49

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JuGonzo wrote...

Race x Origins?

Why not both, for Maker's sake?! Of course a human can be many things, have many origins, but...

A human can't be a dwaven lord.

A human can't be an elven slave

A human can't be a Arishok

A human can't be a castless

A human can't be a da'len

Of course race matters - as origins too.  


Yes, and all those people are the least likely to be involved with the inquisition...

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:50

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Solmanian wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

Race x Origins?

Why not both, for Maker's sake?! Of course a human can be many things, have many origins, but...

A human can't be a dwaven lord.

A human can't be an elven slave

A human can't be a Arishok

A human can't be a castless

A human can't be a da'len

Of course race matters - as origins too.  


Yes, and all those people are the least likely to be involved with the inquisition...


Why not?

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Solmanian
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:51

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JuGonzo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.


Again.

A human can't be a DWARVEN lord.

A human can't be an ELVEN slave

etc...


How is a dwarvenlord superior to a human lord?
How is a human slave inferior to an elven slave?

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MisterJB
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:51

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JuGonzo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.


Again.

A human can't be a DWARVEN lord.

A human can't be an ELVEN slave

etc...

Because being a human or an elven slave is oh so different?

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:53

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Solmanian wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.


Again.

A human can't be a DWARVEN lord.

A human can't be an ELVEN slave

etc...


How is a dwarvenlord superior to a human lord?
How is a human slave inferior to an elven slave?


They are not superior/inferior

They are different. 

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:53

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MisterJB wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.


Again.

A human can't be a DWARVEN lord.

A human can't be an ELVEN slave

etc...

Because being a human or an elven slave is oh so different?


Because there is the racist point.

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MoMan313
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:54

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I wanna be an elf D:

tsktsktsktsktsk...

Crap. I miss my Races... *sigh* here's to the mods...

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:54

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MisterJB wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

A human can be a lord.
A human can be a slave.
A human can be an Arishok.
A human can be poor and homeless.
Aveline was raised by Dalish elves. She was a da'len.


Again.

A human can't be a DWARVEN lord.

A human can't be an ELVEN slave

etc...

Because being a human or an elven slave is oh so different?

The only difference is, a human slave can reach higher shelfs for his master without a stool :P

Most groundbreaking plot change ever! "You can't reach that sword! So now were all going to die! Damn you short Inquisitor!"

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:55

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MoMan313 wrote...

I wanna be an elf D:

tsktsktsktsktsk...

Crap. I miss my Races... *sigh* here's to the mods...


Mods don't change an origins plot.

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Spankoman
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:56

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Obviously there will be things a human can't do that elves or dwarves can (although I think your examples are trivial, OP). But I think Allan has done a good job explaining why the lack of racial choice (are they races or species?) isn't determinative of whether a game is good or not.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 02:58

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Spankoman wrote...

Obviously there will be things a human can't do that elves or dwarves can (although I think your examples are trivial, OP). But I think Allan has done a good job explaining why the lack of racial choice (are they races or species?) isn't determinative of whether a game is good or not.


If the first game have these options, so DA3 will be inferior (as DA2 was)

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:00

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JuGonzo wrote...

Spankoman wrote...

Obviously there will be things a human can't do that elves or dwarves can (although I think your examples are trivial, OP). But I think Allan has done a good job explaining why the lack of racial choice (are they races or species?) isn't determinative of whether a game is good or not.


If the first game have these options, so DA3 will be inferior (as DA2 was)


You need to append the words "to me" to that assertion.

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Dave of Canada
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:05

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Oh no! I can't play a game where my Origin becomes generic after around an hour of gameplay, prompting everybody to simply refer to me as "Warden" with the occassional (but still largely useless) reference to my race!

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:05 .

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:05

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JuGonzo wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

Race x Origins?

Why not both, for Maker's sake?! Of course a human can be many things, have many origins, but...

A human can't be a dwaven lord.

A human can't be an elven slave

A human can't be a Arishok

A human can't be a castless

A human can't be a da'len

Of course race matters - as origins too.  


Yes, and all those people are the least likely to be involved with the inquisition...


Why not?


Cause it's a holy war between templars and mages? something that has very little impact on non-humans? If anything non-humans will support the war, not try and stop it, cause it will give them a chance for a power grab.

The inquistion supports the chantry, why would the arishok support them? Anyway the pc can't the arishok the job is taken
Why would an elf support them, a slave no less?
Dwarves? they don't even have magic! If anything they'lll support the templars who buy the majority of their lyrium!

Modifié par Solmanian, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:08

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I can see it now.. DA4: The Quanri Invasion, everyone in Thedas will take up arms :P be patient, you'll have your races one day

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Solmanian
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:09

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Am I the only one that noticed that OP profile doesn't even have any DA game?

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:10

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JuGonzo wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Why are you making this topic? Why?

No, there is no time for them to change their minds, it's far too late. I am sure they noticed that people like origins so we might get that in DA4 if it does come one day.
But it's not going to be in DA3, no matter how much noise there will be made, it's not going to be added now >.<


Because I can.



I'm starting to think that this topic has no real constructive purpose in anyway shape or form. I highly doubt they are going to change their minds in regards to racial options in DA:I perhaps maybe in future installements.

If they did decide to change their minds on racial options it would be resource inefficient and the opportunity cost would not be worth it in the long run.

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:11

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Long answer: On a practical note, DA3 is supposed to be released in late 2013 at the earliest. That probably means that DA3 is far enough along in the development process that major features like human only protagonist are already set in stone.

Short answers: No.

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JuGonzo
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:14

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Spankoman wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

Spankoman wrote...

Obviously there will be things a human can't do that elves or dwarves can (although I think your examples are trivial, OP). But I think Allan has done a good job explaining why the lack of racial choice (are they races or species?) isn't determinative of whether a game is good or not.


If the first game have these options, so DA3 will be inferior (as DA2 was)


You need to append the words "to me" to that assertion.


They too http://www.gamespot.com/

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Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:15

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Solmanian wrote...

Am I the only one that noticed that OP profile doesn't even have any DA game?


Not everyone bothers to register their games.
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