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[levyjl1988]

One of the problems I have with character creation games is that sometimes the assets made for creating your character is just not there. Character face customization in Da:O was pretty good, although it lacked the feature to change it later on if you displeased with your inital results, in DA2 not so good because of the lack of variety, ie) noses. So many bad and poorly selected default nose assets imo. Crafting a character for me can take up to hours. I care about nose height, placement on the face in accordance of the other features like eyes and mouth etc. DA2 did deliver on the DLC where you can opt to change your facial features which was a welcome feature as I used it quite often. 

As a console gamer I don't have the luxary of adding mods to my DA experience to enhanch the visual style of my character.
I wish the devs would refine the character face customization feature to a higher degree. More assets and more ability for users to cutomize those assets, DA:O customizing was pretty good, better than 2.  

When user mods end up being better than in game developer created assets it just means more effort has to be made on the developer side. Console games cannot be modded to fit the user preference hence we are stuck with default styles.

Better looking noses, more differing hair styles, etc.
Looking at other games that did character face customization: Saints Row the third beign really good, Dragon's Dogma.
Oblivion, Skyrim, Dragon Age 2, and Dark Souls did terrible in this regard. 

I look at Skyrim for example, Bethesda developed game and the mods took over. The user mods are way better than the developer created assets. For console gamers, there isn't any flexability at all. 

[Scott Sion]

I honestly just want more hair styles and more tattos.

[Rawgrim]

I do belive the devs said they would focus alot on customization for this game. It would have more than DA:O did, I think. Not worried about that bit.

[levyjl1988]

It seems like from the Pax panel:
They wanted to make a bigger game than origins. I hope your're right and we see huge improvements.

Dragon Age Orgins was in development for 6 years, resulting in high praise
Dragon age 2 was in development for 2 years and resulted in a mediocre score
Dragon Age 3 seems to have a development of 2-3 years. I hope in that time we expect a higher quality game.

[Rawgrim]

DA:O was bound to be in development ALOT longer than any sequel. They had to create the world of Thedas for the first game, the magic system, the combat system. Everything. all this was in place when they started DA2.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I want more and better looking hair styles. And more and better looking beards.

And as I am made to understand Origins wasn't in development that long because they were making it super super awesome it was because there were a lot of problems in the dev cycle.

[vaporie]

Rawgrim wrote...

DA:O was bound to be in development ALOT longer than any sequel. They had to create the world of Thedas for the first game, the magic system, the combat system. Everything. all this was in place when they started DA2.

Nice post as not many people realise this.

[Battlebloodmage]

I hope to be able to create a more ethnic face in DA. Even if there aren't any racial minority in the game, it would be nice to at least be able to make an avatar similar to you in the game.

[dversion]

at least it was better than mass effect in which all faces of female sheps looked like they were half-finished claw pots.

[ledod]

Hopefully our friends at bioware bestow upon us better hair options in the next game. Perhaps jewelry?

[DreamwareStudio]

vaporie wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

DA:O was bound to be in development ALOT longer than any sequel. They had to create the world of Thedas for the first game, the magic system, the combat system. Everything. all this was in place when they started DA2.

Nice post as not many people realise this.

Which to me makes the travesty that was DA 2 even worse.

[AppealToReason]

The best character creator I've ever seen is in the WWE games. The amount of customization they allow in faces/hairstyles/tattoos blows any RPG cc I've ever seen right out of the water.

[CuriousArtemis]

I actually find I can create better-looking characters in DA2 than DA:O, so I see the CC as a nice improvement. But one thing we can all be excited about is that devs have promised, as Rawgrim said, to focus a lot on customization for DA3

[levyjl1988]

motomotogirl wrote...

I actually find I can create better-looking characters in DA2 than DA:O, so I see the CC as a nice improvement. But one thing we can all be excited about is that devs have promised, as Rawgrim said, to focus a lot on customization for DA3

I'm not sure what the devs meant by customization?
Customization could come in all forms.
Are we talking about face customization? Weapon customization? Armor Customization? Skill tree Customization?
I care about face customization because that's a fixed portion of the game. 
Bioware can always add in DLC for weapon and armor. Skill trees can always be added but facial features that's fixed. You won't see DLC for that. 

That's why I care that Bioware makes a wide variety of pleasant faces, have the model creators look at fashion magazines, game mods to see how other fans make their characters look good and apply it to their game. 
When fans step up to fix a game it usually means that the original developer is lacking in those areas that's why we see those beatuy mods all the time. 

It's what appeals to the gamers. Sure beauty is in the eye of the holder and it's pretty subjective, but in terms of psychology our culture has adapted to a particular beauty. One where the perfect alignment of the eyes, nose and face are perfect.

 

[levyjl1988]

dversion wrote...

at least it was better than mass effect in which all faces of female sheps looked like they were half-finished claw pots.

I have to agree with you there. If a character model is bad looking I wouldn't dare touch the rest of the game. Even if the gameplay is just as good and etc, it's just knowing my character is ugly and I hate playing ugly characters in games.

You can always go through many environments but your character stays with you throughout the whole journey.
That's why it's very important that the Devs get facial character customization perfect.  

[Dragoonlordz]

The problem I had with the CC in DA2 (specifically the facial element) was how every characters face you created looked like they were made of rubber and shiny plastic, they felt like the barbie and ken doll versions of characters. Yet people like fans created mods which vastly improved the elements like this such as mr potato head hair and rubber doll like faces in the core game.

If the fans could make such improvements then I wonder why the developers could not have done so in the first place. I seriously hope they improve this since using frostbite engine next time around the capability is there to make it vastly better done and not left to the fans to improve it again. It shouldn't be upto the fans to improve the visuals in my opinion, if the fans can improve it then the devs could of done better prior to that stage so that fans would not have to.

But I suppose atleast if Bioware lacks quality in such elements there is comfort in knowing the fans will pick up the slack and make it better such as unlocking the equipment customisation mod and the improved facial and hair, world locations textures and such plus other such mods that were created to improve the game post release. They are using a better engine this time so hopefully this won't be an issue but there is always a chance people will have to improve it because Bioware lacked effort in one or more areas due to time schedules and resources.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Face codes like in ME2-3 would be much appreciated that's for sure.

[OBakaSama]

I disliked the character creator for DA2. DA:O's was far better. There seemed to be a distinct lack of variety when it came to using the CC in DA2, so more options will be much appreciated. Probably also why I didn't play the game as much as DA:O.

[Potato Cat]

I prefer my FemHawke's face to my female City Elf's, apart from the boring ears, but it only really works with one particular hairstyle. She looks anorexic with any different hair.

[Demx]

I liked the level of customization that the DA:O Toolset provided.

[Blackrising]

I want scars. Lots of them.
And none of those ME 1 'female' scars. I want my Femquisitor to look like she's been on the receiving end of a lot of sharp knives, glass shards and what have you.

[ThisIsZad]

FROSTBiTE!