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[Asch Lavigne]

Bioware writes fantastic characters. That is one thing that has been constant across the ME Trilogy and DA. Everyone from Garrus to Morrigan is terrific. And there are also a huge number of NPCs that are very well written.

Also, the choice in VAs to help bring these guys to life. Whoever is in charge of casting does a great job too.

[Foolsfolly]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Origins, KOTOR, and ME2 had the best characters in my opinion. That doesn't mean I didn't like their other games. In fact there hasn't been a BioWare game with bad or uninteresting companions.

For me DA2 had the best characters (even though the game had Fenris). I've never enjoyed the characters in a game that much before (excluding Fenris) 

I just really loved Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, Zevran, Shale, and Sten. DA2 had Varric, Isabela, Aveline, and Merrill.

Like I said before none of their games lack in good characters. I just really preferred that Origins feel of the team coming together and being united against the Blight and every other problem Ferelden had at the time.

[Solmanian]

Just like my life! I have a crappy job that feels like slavery, but I love the people I work with.

[Arthur Cousland]

One thing Bioware does well is create memorable characters. Varric, Alistair, Leliana and others really help make the games fun (along with other factors), and keep me coming back for repeat playthroughs.

[Nashimura]

 

dversion wrote...Most male companions were whiny sad whiners who whined - for instance. 

I just don't get this....Most? Try just Fenris....


Anders blew up the chantry, he talked to you about his issue...he did not whine, he saw something he thought was wrong and acted on it. I killed him for it, i thought it was wrong - But he wasn't a whiner. 

Carver was more argumentative than whiny, he also acts on his whining when he joins the Templars. 

Sebastian gets everyone involved with what happened murdered and declares the whole of kirkwall his enemy if you go against him on something he cares about. 

Varric. does. not. whine.

Fenris sits in his empty mansion and whines, he does not act on anything unless it comes to him. He is a whiner. But he kind of has a point about the fact mages will always go for forbidden magic if they are really desperate...in kirkwall at least.

Modifié par Nashimura, 29 octobre 2012 - 05:22 .

[RandomSyhn]

Anders complains while Fenris Broods.

[Emzamination]

Nashimura wrote...

 

dversion wrote...Most male companions were whiny sad whiners who whined - for instance. 

I just don't get this....Most? Try just Fenris....


Anders blew up the chantry, he talked to you about his issue...he did not whine, he saw something he thought was wrong and acted on it. I killed him for it, i thought it was wrong - But he wasn't a whiner. 

Carver was more argumentative than whiny, he also acts on his whining when he joins the Templars. 

Sebastian gets everyone involved with what happened murdered and declares the whole of kirkwall his enemy if you go against him on something he cares about. 

Varric. does. not. whine.

Fenris sits in his empty mansion and whines, he does not act on anything unless it comes to him. He is a whiner. But he kind of has a point about the fact mages will always go for forbidden magic if they are really desperate...in kirkwall at least.

No he's right, they were all whiners

Anders - Whined the entire game about the mage plight and wanting to be hawke's lover. Anders later transitions from whiner to full on pervert when he tells hawke that he's stayed awake at night for the past x years imagining sleeping with her.Talk about problems...

Carver - Whined about being overshadowed and never recognized

Fenris - Whined about being a slave and having to serve mages

Sebastian - Whined about having to make the difficult decision of claiming the throne or sitting in some chapel as a priest.

[Nashimura]

I think if someone acts on the thing they are unhappy about they lose the title of whiner. They all did something about there problems. Apart from Fenris....

[Emzamination]

Nashimura wrote...

I think if someone acts on the thing they are unhappy about they lose the title of whiner. They all did something about there problems. Apart from Fenris....

Oh you'll find no argument from me there. Anders definitely showed he had a set of steel when he nuked the chantry.

[Kail Ashton]

Only reason DA2 isn't in a garbage can or traded in for $5 at the locale gamestop is because of the companions (while yes the males are abiiiiiit whiney), the arishok & the 2 Shockingly well done DLC

Act 3 is still hands down the absolute worst part of the game and is such a chore, mercifully it's short enough not to induce too much boredom/rage, but the REAL main antagonist is gone and you're left with 2 laughibly bad & under developed plot characters bickering the whole act....fun?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

dversion wrote...

Its what Bioware does best. Your companions, your villains, other NPCs. To me its the most important and memorable thing about playing a BioWare game. I think the writing teams for Mass Effect realized this when going from ME1 to ME2. The companion characters were much more lively, creative, and unique. I really loved all the characters in DA:O, Morrigan was cold but only because she had been raised to be, she was almost innocent in that sense. Sten was a murderer but he accepts that its part of who he is.
I could go on, However I felt that the characters in DA2 took a step back. Most male companions were whiny sad whiners who whined - for instance. The shining light was the Arishok - a sympathetic yet very dangerous villain that was written wonderfully and who was not used nearly as well as he should have been.

Characters are the most important thing to any story, like any good film. BioWare has created many memorable and well written characters and its fantastic when those personalities interact with each other (something I felt was sorrowfully missing from Mass Effect 1 and 2).

Really, it doesn't matter what the main plot is to me as long as I have interesting, well written characters to get to know and interact with.

I'm interested in what others take on this is? What BioWare game did you think have the best collection of companion characters?

No, it's what Bioware used to do best. Kind of like how America makes the the best cars. Just because people keep saying it doesn't make it true.



...Or the best of anything, really.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 29 octobre 2012 - 06:30 .

[dversion]

I like all the talk on how the Arishok as being a great character. He certainly was my favourite and after you defeat him the game definitely took a spill downhill. I just didn't really find any of the companions that compelling. I felt the same way with ME1 where Wrex was the only one with an ounce of personality. You can see the writers understood this with Garrus, his jump from 1 to 2 was outstanding.

[Scott Sion]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

dversion wrote...

Its what Bioware does best. Your companions, your villains, other NPCs. To me its the most important and memorable thing about playing a BioWare game. I think the writing teams for Mass Effect realized this when going from ME1 to ME2. The companion characters were much more lively, creative, and unique. I really loved all the characters in DA:O, Morrigan was cold but only because she had been raised to be, she was almost innocent in that sense. Sten was a murderer but he accepts that its part of who he is.
I could go on, However I felt that the characters in DA2 took a step back. Most male companions were whiny sad whiners who whined - for instance. The shining light was the Arishok - a sympathetic yet very dangerous villain that was written wonderfully and who was not used nearly as well as he should have been.

Characters are the most important thing to any story, like any good film. BioWare has created many memorable and well written characters and its fantastic when those personalities interact with each other (something I felt was sorrowfully missing from Mass Effect 1 and 2).

Really, it doesn't matter what the main plot is to me as long as I have interesting, well written characters to get to know and interact with.

I'm interested in what others take on this is? What BioWare game did you think have the best collection of companion characters?

No, it's what Bioware used to do best. Kind of like how America makes the the best cars. Just because people keep saying it doesn't make it true.



...Or the best of anything, really.

First, Lets not put down other countries. Second, it's still what they do best; name one developer out there that writes better characters.

Modifié par plnero, 29 octobre 2012 - 08:34 .

[Rune-Chan]

I do not agree.

Bioware writes some excellent characters, it is true. They also spend a decent amount of time with them and a lot of people love Bioware's writing in regards to them.

Simply put, we know Bioware can make good characters, but the plots are somewhat lacking normally, so it'd be nice for them to spend more time working on that.

[garrusfan1]

OP I made a similar thread and I agree the one thing bioware does better then anyone is their characters the only game that came close that I have played is the witcher 2 (never played the first one since I am a console gamer) so yeah they should keep their awesome characters.

[budzai]

Kotor 2 has the best characters in the RPG history... ja that's not a BW game sorry...
ME, Dragon age origin, SW the old republic and Kotor all have good chars. So I agree with the OP totaly...
And pls give us fewer but better characters than a dozen boring ones...

[Tootles FTW]

Nashimura wrote...

I think if someone acts on the thing they are unhappy about they lose the title of whiner. They all did something about there problems. Apart from Fenris....

You can have a conversation with Fenris where you ask him why he doesn't just go after Danarius, and he responds - quite rightly - that waltzing into Tevinter would be f*cking dumb.  By staying still in Kirkwall he's actually doing the one thing he hasn't done since the Fog Warrior incident - he's stopped running.
But obviously you have a pretty strong opinion and certainly internet-stranger is not going to change that.

On-topic, I can't really say I prefer the cast of one game over the other.  Each game has two or more companions/squaddies that I loooove, and many more that I like... I can't imagine picking one title over the other.
Unless it's Garrus.  He always wins.

[dversion]

I think there's a difference between a character being sad and just plain unhappy about things. I know people love Fenris in a Team Edward sort of way but its unfortunate they wrote lovable Anders in a similar tone.

[Bernhardtbr]

Well, the carrot in the stick was the ending - if you didn´t give a damn you could get to the final mission pretty fast (and see a lot of coffins hehe). But yes it felt like a Frankenstein made of parts of every race.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

plnero wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

dversion wrote...

Its what Bioware does best. Your companions, your villains, other NPCs. To me its the most important and memorable thing about playing a BioWare game. I think the writing teams for Mass Effect realized this when going from ME1 to ME2. The companion characters were much more lively, creative, and unique. I really loved all the characters in DA:O, Morrigan was cold but only because she had been raised to be, she was almost innocent in that sense. Sten was a murderer but he accepts that its part of who he is.
I could go on, However I felt that the characters in DA2 took a step back. Most male companions were whiny sad whiners who whined - for instance. The shining light was the Arishok - a sympathetic yet very dangerous villain that was written wonderfully and who was not used nearly as well as he should have been.

Characters are the most important thing to any story, like any good film. BioWare has created many memorable and well written characters and its fantastic when those personalities interact with each other (something I felt was sorrowfully missing from Mass Effect 1 and 2).

Really, it doesn't matter what the main plot is to me as long as I have interesting, well written characters to get to know and interact with.

I'm interested in what others take on this is? What BioWare game did you think have the best collection of companion characters?

No, it's what Bioware used to do best. Kind of like how America makes the the best cars. Just because people keep saying it doesn't make it true.



...Or the best of anything, really.

First, Lets not put down other countries. Second, it's still what they do best; name one developer out there that writes better characters.

Old Bioware.

[Scott Sion]

If we're going to point out that the male companions were whiners, can we point out the stereotypical female companions? Merril was a ditsy idiot and Isabella was a ****. I'm not saying I didn't like their characters, but that was my first impression of both of them.

I also think people would have gotten mad if the guys weren’t whining all the time. Jacob was the one character in the Mass Effect universe that didn’t whine so people called him boring and hated him for it.

Modifié par plnero, 29 octobre 2012 - 11:03 .