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So, do we get to find out some more mystical mystery stuff about the real nature of the "Fade"? Like what Morrigan meant when she mentioned some place "beyond the Fade"... what's that mean? Would that be the Black City? Hmm.

Will we get to actually see, or at least get to find out more about the Black City? That would rock. We'd be like the old Magisters. The Magisters are so cool.

I hope we'll not be forced to see the Imperium in only an antagonistic manner. I really don't think they're so bad. I liked how Hawke could choose to fight against them, or to actively side with them (by giving the magister guy Fenris back). That was a good thing.

In fact, I really hope when my Male Mage Hawke and Merrill ran off together after the chantry went kaboom, that they went to Tevinter. They should go there, it's really the only place they'd be safe, since they're both mages. Same with Female Mage Hawke and Anders. I'm sure Hawke's good friend Danarius would be willing to assist them somehow.

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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

So, do we get to find out some more mystical mystery stuff about the real nature of the "Fade"? Like what Morrigan meant when she mentioned some place "beyond the Fade"... what's that mean? Would that be the Black City? Hmm.

Will we get to actually see, or at least get to find out more about the Black City? That would rock. We'd be like the old Magisters. The Magisters are so cool.

I hope we'll not be forced to see the Imperium in only an antagonistic manner. I really don't think they're so bad. I liked how Hawke could choose to fight against them, or to actively side with them (by giving the magister guy Fenris back). That was a good thing.

In fact, I really hope when my Male Mage Hawke and Merrill ran off together after the chantry went kaboom, that they went to Tevinter. They should go there, it's really the only place they'd be safe, since they're both mages. Same with Female Mage Hawke and Anders.


Yup. The Black City/Golden City according to Corypheus is like the horizon of the Fade. You need a certain method to reach that place.  The only way to get to the Black City is by having an Eluvian, and only a very few remained. Morrigan, Flemeth, The Witches of the Wilds and the Magisters are the only who knows how to get to the Black City.

Demons don't know how to get to the Black City, because they said: "That not even the strongest of the demons would dare to adventure there." So in a few words; Travel to the black city is almost a suicide.

We may know more about the Black City in te third game, but just a ltitle.

Modifié par Frocharocha, 28 octobre 2012 - 03:15 .


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Frocharocha wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

So, do we get to find out some more mystical mystery stuff about the real nature of the "Fade"? Like what Morrigan meant when she mentioned some place "beyond the Fade"... what's that mean? Would that be the Black City? Hmm.

Will we get to actually see, or at least get to find out more about the Black City? That would rock. We'd be like the old Magisters. The Magisters are so cool.

I hope we'll not be forced to see the Imperium in only an antagonistic manner. I really don't think they're so bad. I liked how Hawke could choose to fight against them, or to actively side with them (by giving the magister guy Fenris back). That was a good thing.

In fact, I really hope when my Male Mage Hawke and Merrill ran off together after the chantry went kaboom, that they went to Tevinter. They should go there, it's really the only place they'd be safe, since they're both mages. Same with Female Mage Hawke and Anders.


Yup. The Black City/Golden City according to Corypheus is like the horizon of the Fade. You need a certain method to reach that place.  The only way to get to the Black City is by having an Eluvian, and only a very few remained. Morrigan, Flemeth, The Witches of the Wilds and the Magisters are the only who knows how to get to the Black City.

Demons don't know how to get to the Black City, because they said: "That not even the strongest of the demons would dare to adventure there." So in a few words; Travel to the black city is almost a suicide.

We may know more about the Black City in te third game, but just a ltitle.


I'm sorry but where was it mentioned that Eluvians lead to the Black City?

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It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 28 octobre 2012 - 03:47 .


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Also, since they are connected to the Darkspawn taint... (somehow)

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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Actually, this is more than obvious. Corypheus mentions that and Merrill as well. But the proof is in DA:origins. When u choose yoru warden to be a dalish elf, your friend will be abducted by the Eluvia. Before that, he'll way:

"Wait,  I see somekind of city, and it's black!"

The only reason Morrigan was able to reach the Black City is because Flemeth is older than Arlathan itself. So, she's basically like 5000+.

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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Also, since they are connected to the Darkspawn taint... (somehow)

They aren't, two out of three encountered in the games were infected with taint because of the blight, that doesn't connect them any more to it than blight wolves or corrupted ground.

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Frocharocha wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Actually, this is more than obvious. Corypheus mentions that and Merrill as well. But the proof is in DA:origins. When u choose yoru warden to be a dalish elf, your friend will be abducted by the Eluvia. Before that, he'll way:

"Wait,  I see somekind of city, and it's black!"

The only reason Morrigan was able to reach the Black City is because Flemeth is older than Arlathan itself. So, she's basically like 5000+.

Nothíng is bade obvious and Merrill never says it does anything but connect. Tamlen doesn't say anything about black but that he can see a city underground, which I pressume is some other elven ruins by some other eluvian somewhere else in Thedas.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 28 octobre 2012 - 07:59 .


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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

So, do we get to find out some more mystical mystery stuff about the real nature of the "Fade"? Like what Morrigan meant when she mentioned some place "beyond the Fade"... what's that mean? Would that be the Black City? Hmm.

Will we get to actually see, or at least get to find out more about the Black City? That would rock. We'd be like the old Magisters. The Magisters are so cool.


So many ways people can interpret what Morrigan said: "It's a gateway beyond this world, and beyond the Fade." There are many theories about what it could mean. I hope we get some answers about what Morrigan was doing, how the Hero of Ferelden who romanced her was able to help her once they entered the Eluvian together, and the role her son will play in changing things in Thedas.

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I hope we'll not be forced to see the Imperium in only an antagonistic manner. I really don't think they're so bad. I liked how Hawke could choose to fight against them, or to actively side with them (by giving the magister guy Fenris back). That was a good thing.


I'd like to see some three-dimensional mages from the Imperium as well. I doubt everyone there is as morally bankrupt as Caladrius. Fenris does mention a Magister tried to abolish slavery, and Feynriel seems to remain a good man in Tevinter (as he uses his powers to rescue a woman from rape). Perhaps Feynriel will succeed where others failed.

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

In fact, I really hope when my Male Mage Hawke and Merrill ran off together after the chantry went kaboom, that they went to Tevinter. They should go there, it's really the only place they'd be safe, since they're both mages. Same with Female Mage Hawke and Anders. I'm sure Hawke's good friend Danarius would be willing to assist them somehow. 


I'm hoping my apostate Hawke and Merrill started a revolution. Merrill could even teach a new generation of elven mages about their heritage.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Also, since they are connected to the Darkspawn taint... (somehow)

They aren't, two out of three encountered in the games were infected with taint because of the blight, that doesn't connect them any more to it than blight wolves or corrupted ground.


But how does something that isn't even organic get tainted?

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Knight of Dane wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Actually, this is more than obvious. Corypheus mentions that and Merrill as well. But the proof is in DA:origins. When u choose yoru warden to be a dalish elf, your friend will be abducted by the Eluvia. Before that, he'll way:

"Wait,  I see somekind of city, and it's black!"

The only reason Morrigan was able to reach the Black City is because Flemeth is older than Arlathan itself. So, she's basically like 5000+.

Nothíng is bade obvious and Merrill never says it does anything but connect. Tamlen doesn't say anything about black but that he can see a city underground, which I pressume is some other elven ruins by some other eluvian somewhere else in Thedas.


That's an abbandoned thaig for sure, or an dwarven city thar fallen during the first Blight. But, why the hell would dwarfs using the Eluvian.

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Frocharocha wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Actually,
this is more than obvious. Corypheus mentions that and Merrill as well.
But the proof is in DA:origins. When u choose yoru warden to be a
dalish elf, your friend will be abducted by the Eluvia. Before that,
he'll way:

"Wait,  I see somekind of city, and it's black!"

The
only reason Morrigan was able to reach the Black City is because
Flemeth is older than Arlathan itself. So, she's basically like 5000+.

Nothíng
is bade obvious and Merrill never says it does anything but connect.
Tamlen doesn't say anything about black but that he can see a city underground, which I pressume is some other elven ruins by some other eluvian somewhere else in Thedas.


That's
an abbandoned thaig for sure, or an dwarven city thar fallen during the
first Blight. But, why the hell would dwarfs using the Eluvian.


My first thought about this matter was that the Taint connected it to Archedemon's mind (or something).

It was mentioned several times that Taint has many unique properties, so connection between Hive's mind and a communication artifact is not "far fetched".

Modifié par Dagr88, 28 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .


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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Also, since they are connected to the Darkspawn taint... (somehow)

They aren't, two out of three encountered in the games were infected with taint because of the blight, that doesn't connect them any more to it than blight wolves or corrupted ground.


But how does something that isn't even organic get tainted?

Your guess is as good as mine, I don't think it's clear as no blighted land has ever been fully healed.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Also, since they are connected to the Darkspawn taint... (somehow)

They aren't, two out of three encountered in the games were infected with taint because of the blight, that doesn't connect them any more to it than blight wolves or corrupted ground.


But how does something that isn't even organic get tainted?

Your guess is as good as mine, I don't think it's clear as no blighted land has ever been fully healed.


Alot of things that aren't organic got tainted. t some scenarios full of darkspawn, structures grows with flesh kind taint. Wee can see that at Mother lai'rs or in he Deep Roads. Or I may be wrong and the Eluvian is like teh Varterral, made of organic like magic technology.

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All "organic" means is "carbon based".

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Frocharocha wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Actually, this is more than obvious. Corypheus mentions that and Merrill as well. But the proof is in DA:origins. When u choose yoru warden to be a dalish elf, your friend will be abducted by the Eluvia. Before that, he'll way:

"Wait,  I see somekind of city, and it's black!"

The only reason Morrigan was able to reach the Black City is because Flemeth is older than Arlathan itself. So, she's basically like 5000+.



I think that dude went to some Dwarven/Elven ruin: one encounters him later- going to gander he didnt go to the black city

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Frocharocha wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Actually, this is more than obvious. Corypheus mentions that and Merrill as well. But the proof is in DA:origins. When u choose yoru warden to be a dalish elf, your friend will be abducted by the Eluvia. Before that, he'll way:

"Wait,  I see somekind of city, and it's black!"

The only reason Morrigan was able to reach the Black City is because Flemeth is older than Arlathan itself. So, she's basically like 5000+.

Nothíng is bade obvious and Merrill never says it does anything but connect. Tamlen doesn't say anything about black but that he can see a city underground, which I pressume is some other elven ruins by some other eluvian somewhere else in Thedas.


That's an abbandoned thaig for sure, or an dwarven city thar fallen during the first Blight. But, why the hell would dwarfs using the Eluvian.



Not sure how 'canon' this detail is in the grand scheme, but in the Dalish origins, one finds a dwarven monument commemorating dwarven-elven trade. Apparently, elves once lived underground, as do the dwarves, and the two civilizations made contact with one another.

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Apparently, elves once lived underground, as do the dwarves, and the two civilizations made contact with one another.


This is also referenced in DA2.

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It wasn't explicitly mentioned, but it was implied in the Witch Hunt DLC.


Not really. It's speculation to assume it leads to the Black City, which isn't really supported by anything in-game.

That she says it's beyond the Fade implies more that it leads to somewhere without a presence in the Fade at all. Like a Planeswalker.

But how does something that isn't even organic get tainted?


The Blight corrupts everything it touches. The land, people, rocks, man-made objects.

There are weapons in both games that were tainted by the Darkspawn. Staves, maces, etc. Some were made by the Darkspawn themselves, while others were in fact twisted by the Blight disease -- the Mage staff you get in the basement levels of the Mage Origin tells us this.

Nothíng is bade obvious and Merrill never says it does anything but connect. Tamlen doesn't say anything about black but that he can see a city underground, which I pressume is some other elven ruins by some other eluvian somewhere else in Thedas.


My guess is that it's Arlathan, which was reputedly sunk underground by the Magisters. And my guess is that Arlathan rests beneath the Silent Plains, an area that was the climactic battle of the First Blight and has resulted in them being a permanently blighted area.

So the connection the Eluvians might have to the Blight isn't directly related to them being evil, but to them being indirectly tied to it.

They rest beneath Blighted land, and unless a group of Warden Mages can go to the Silent Plains and use the blood of numerous Darkspawn to cleanse the land of the Taint as well as Arlathan -- which we know blood magic can do, as it can heal withered crops and cleanse inanimate objects -- it's best to avoid Arlathan entirely.

But other Eluvians? Completely safe.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 29 octobre 2012 - 05:05 .


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Given that the taint is magic by nature, as its purported origin lies in the fade, it is conceivable that it corrupts non-living objects. Eluvians are magic artifacts, thus it is possible that the magics within the mirror were maligned by the taint- somewhat alchemical, yes?

Of course, this is fiction, and all is speculation.

Modifié par ledod, 29 octobre 2012 - 07:30 .