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[Dio Demon]

plnero wrote...

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

(Puts the fashionable battle harness on the poodle) En Guarde extinct griffin!

My griffin is wearing pants and it shall be your dog's sodding downfall!

HAHA you're griffin is wearing Shleets IT WILL EAT YOUR EYEBALLS!!!!

[thats1evildude]

plnero wrote...

They wouldn't help you during a Qunari invasion, but they'll try to ruin your efforts in the war over a symbol?

It wasn't their problem. The Grey Wardens have one mandate: to protect Thedas from the darkspawn. They don't get involved in political conflict because that undermines their goals, as it did in Ferelden. The Wardens gain nothing by battling the qunari, and besides, they were on a mission.

On the other hand, the Wardens used griffins as weapons in the war against the Blight. A single griffin could even be used to rejuvenate the species, depending on how griffins reproduce. If a living griffin existed, they would go pretty far to possess it.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:44 .

[Scott Sion]

thats1evildude wrote...

plnero wrote...

They wouldn't help you during a Qunari invasion, but they'll try to ruin your efforts in the war over a symbol?

It wasn't their problem. The Grey Wardens have one mandate: to protect Thedas from the darkspawn. They don't get involved in political conflict because that undermines their goals, as it did in Ferelden. The Wardens gain nothing by battling the qunari, and besides, they were on a mission.

On the other hand, the Wardens used griffins as weapons in the war against the Blight. A single griffin could even be used to rejuvenate the species, depending on how griffins reproduce. If a living griffin existed, they would go pretty far to possess it.

No, they don't get into politics so they don't repeat what happened with Sophia Dryden. The inquisitor works for the Chantry (I believe) so I highly doubt the wardens would attack the inquisitor over a griffin. They'd be attacking the chantry by attacking the inquisitor and I think that's something they'd rather avoid.

Besides, do you have any proof that they would actually attack the inquisitor over a griffin or are you guessing? You can't just assume they're going to make a big deal over it because it's their symbol.

[Scott Sion]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

plnero wrote...

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

(Puts the fashionable battle harness on the poodle) En Guarde extinct griffin!

My griffin is wearing pants and it shall be your dog's sodding downfall!

HAHA you're griffin is wearing Shleets IT WILL EAT YOUR EYEBALLS!!!!

They didn't tell you the best part about Shleets did they? They don't exist.... BAHAAHHAHAHAHA! PREPARE FOR DEATH, DOG!

[thats1evildude]

plnero wrote...

No, they don't get into politics so they don't repeat what happened with Sophia Dryden. The inquisitor works for the Chantry (I believe) so I highly doubt the wardens would attack the inquisitor over a griffin. They'd be attacking the chantry by attacking the inquisitor and I think that's something they'd rather avoid.

They don't need to attack. They just need to apply pressure through a variety of methods.

Consider the reverse: if you had an important mission with world-changing ramifications, would you really jeopardize it just to hold on to a rare pet?

plnero wrote...

Besides, do you have any proof that they would actually attack the inquisitor over a griffin or are you guessing? You can't just assume they're going to make a big deal over it because it's their symbol.

I can make a reasonable prediction based on my knowledge of the Grey Wardens. But if you're asking me if I can "prove" that a fictional organization would attack another fictional organization over a fictional survivor of an extinct fictional species within a fictional setting that I have no creative control over, no, I can't "prove" anything.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:04 .

[The Elder King]

plnero wrote...



No, they don't get into politics so they don't repeat what happened with Sophia Dryden. The inquisitor works for the Chantry (I believe) so I highly doubt the wardens would attack the inquisitor over a griffin. They'd be attacking the chantry by attacking the inquisitor and I think that's something they'd rather avoid.

Besides, do you have any proof that they would actually attack the inquisitor over a griffin or are you guessing? You can't just assume they're going to make a big deal over it because it's their symbol.

David Gaider said that the player will not be forced to work with/for the Chantry.

[wiskeylab]

well tbh the dragopns were thought to be extinct and there were a few of em in both origins and #2. maybe there are griffons still alive, it's not known whether the entire planet of thedas has been discovered yet. not that i can recall anyways, and lets not forget the deep roads as well. what about arlathan? what i'm trying to say is, there could be undiscovered lands and islands where griffons still survive.

[TheJediSaint]

Dragon Age 3: "But there are Grifons in it, right?"

[Dio Demon]

plnero wrote...

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

plnero wrote...

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

(Puts the fashionable battle harness on the poodle) En Guarde extinct griffin!

My griffin is wearing pants and it shall be your dog's sodding downfall!

HAHA you're griffin is wearing Shleets IT WILL EAT YOUR EYEBALLS!!!!

They didn't tell you the best part about Shleets did they? They don't exist.... BAHAAHHAHAHAHA! PREPARE FOR DEATH, DOG!

Oh really ... you believe they don't exist *ahem* well I hope you don't like your eyes.

[Dio Demon]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Dragon Age 3: "But there are Grifons in it, right?"

Oh Maker it's like talking to a child:lol:

[Scott Sion]

thats1evildude wrote...

plnero wrote...

Besides, do you have any proof that they would actually attack the inquisitor over a griffin or are you guessing? You can't just assume they're going to make a big deal over it because it's their symbol.

I can make a reasonable prediction based on my knowledge of the Grey Wardens. But if you're asking me if I can "prove" that a fictional organization would attack another fictional organization over a fictional survivor of an extinct fictional species within a fictional setting that I have no creative control over, no, I can't "prove" anything.

You can't even make a reasonable prediction because you have no reason to believe they'd go out of their way to obtain a griffin. There's nothing in either the books or games that could lead you to that conclusion so I honestly have no idea where you're pulling it from.

Yes, it's possible to prove things in a fictional world. If the grey wardens had at one point said they'd do anything for a griffin then you could quote that as proof. They have never said that nor have they taken actions that would imply that however so you can't prove anything therefore your arguments are baseless.

If you find anything that proves me wrong feel free to come back. Until then you're just guessing and claiming things you don't really know about.

Modifié par plnero, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Duncan better be riding one.

[jillabender]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Dragon Age 3: "But there are Grifons in it, right?"

Oh Maker it's like talking to a child:lol:

*pouts* "I don't wanna play Dragon Age 3 if it doesn't have griffons in it!"

Modifié par jillabender, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:34 .

[Fast Jimmy]

No griffons for DA3?

Pre-order CANCELLED!

[Cartims]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

No griffons for DA3?

Pre-order CANCELLED!

To be honest I never pre order...But me wants them ...really, I do

A woman should always get what she wants....IMO.

Modifié par Cartims, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Palidane]

plnero wrote...
A griffin is a symbol not a religious item or text. A griffin is to the grey wardens as a mabari is to Fereldens. They aren't allowed to get involved in politics or take sides in wars such as this. Attacking the inquisitor would be viewed as an act of war which is a huge no no for the wardens. 

What makes you think the Wardens would start all out war over a griffin? You keep saying "they would do this..." without any evidence to back up your statement.

I don't think you appreciate the magnitude of the griffons. They were so much more than a symbol. They were soldiers, allies, and transportation. How many stories have we heard of Grey Wardens swooping down on their griffons to save the day? The griffons increase the wardens response time astronomically. Hell, DAO would have been a short game if they were still around. Ostagar would have had a host of 300 wardens from Orlais, with more coming from the Anderfels and Nevarra. Not to mention all their combat capabilities. Griffons let mages and archers stay safe while sniping the poor darkspawn. They let you do ambushes, sneak attacks, scouting missions. And hey, I bet those claws are good at shredding darkspawn groundside as well. Also, how do you think the Grey Wardens killed the flying dragon Archdemons? There's a reason "lure him to a city, then jump on top of him and stab him while falling to your death" never made the warden playbook. Griffons let the wardens take the fight to the Archdemon, instead of letting him fly around killing everybody like he did in Denerim.

But true, they were also symbols. The Wardens don't command anywhere near the respect they used to, and many consider them a dying order. Imagine the turn around when Grey Wardens come riding in on the fabled white griffons of old. Talk about a PR boost. This would help re-invigorate the order, and would be an important step to reclaiming their old glory.

And what are you going to do to stop them? You keep saying that Wardens can't interfere with politics. That is not true at all. The wardens do anything and everything neccessary to stop the blight, and griffons are absurdly valuable, for all the above reasons. And how do you know there's going to be war? The Inquisition didn't exist ten years ago, what makes you think they can take the wardens? Who else will back you up? Orlais is in neck deep in a civil war, the Chantry lost it's entire military division. From what we know, you've got one castle and a few guards to defend it. You really think your mighty army of 50 guys is going to intimidate the Grey Wardens?

Think again.

Modifié par Palidane, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:04 .

[Scott Sion]

Palidane wrote...

plnero wrote...
A griffin is a symbol not a religious item or text. A griffin is to the grey wardens as a mabari is to Fereldens. They aren't allowed to get involved in politics or take sides in wars such as this. Attacking the inquisitor would be viewed as an act of war which is a huge no no for the wardens. 

What makes you think the Wardens would start all out war over a griffin? You keep saying "they would do this..." without any evidence to back up your statement.

I don't think you appreciate the magnitude of the griffons. They were so much more than a symbol. They were soldiers, allies, and transportation. How many stories have we heard of Grey Wardens swooping down on their griffons to save the day? The griffons increase the wardens response time astronomically. Hell, DAO would have been a short game if they were still around. Ostagar would have had a host of 300 wardens from Orlais, with more coming from the Anderfels and Nevarra. Not to mention all their combat capabilities. Griffons let mages and archers stay safe while sniping the poor darkspawn. They let you do ambushes, sneak attacks, scouting missions. And hey, I bet those claws are good at shredding darkspawn groundside as well. Also, how do you think the Grey Wardens killed the flying dragon Archdemons? There's a reason "lure him to a city, then jump on top of him and stab him while falling to your death" never made the warden playbook. Griffons let the wardens take the fight to the Archdemon, instead of letting him fly around killing everybody like he did in Denerim.

But true, they were also symbols. The Wardens don't command anywhere near the respect they used to, and many consider them a dying order. Imagine the turn around when Grey Wardens come riding in on the fabled white griffons of old. Talk about a PR boost. This would help re-invigorate the order, and would be an important step to reclaiming their old glory.

And what are you going to do to stop them? You keep saying that Wardens can't interfere with politics. That is not true at all. The wardens do anything and everything neccessary to stop the blight, and griffons are absurdly valuable, for all the above reasons. And how do you know there's going to be war? The Inquisition didn't exist ten years ago, what makes you think they can take the wardens? Who else will back you up? Orlais is in neck deep in a civil war, the Chantry lost it's entire military division. From what we know, you've got one castle and a few guards to defend it. You really think your mighty army of 50 guys is going to intimidate the Grey Wardens?

Think again.

I think I do understand the magnitude of griffins. "They were" was used in your response quite a few times. They were meaning in the past, this is the present where wardens no longer hold the strenghts they used to. They don't get involved in politics because they did it once and it nearly destroyed them. The griffins are the past; they wouldn't start a fight with the chantry over one griffin.

If you find a group of griffins you can take one and the wardens can take the others to breed them or if there is only one then the wardens can't breed them and use them as they did in the past. One griffin isn't worth any amount loss if it can't be used to breed them.

Again, I'm going to point out that you have no solid proof that the wardens would attack to begin with. The grey wardens have never stated that they would do anything it takes to get a griffin. Unless you can quote the wardens saying something like this in either the game or the book then you have no real proof that the wardens would attack the inquisitor over a griffin. You're assuming that since they would be useful the wardens would attack them and that's not proof; that's called a guess.

In the first two games there was no problem pissing off organaizations like the wardens. Why should there be a problem now with a dying order like the Wardens whose already low numbers were lowered even more during the blight?

[Fortlowe]

A Griffin instead of a Mabari? Still gonna call it Junkbreath.

[Solmanian]

It's called dragon age. We should get dragons! Since they talked about having a narrative like DA2 where the story span for several years: You start with a small hatchling (like than in the game of thrones TV series) and by the end of the game you have a bigass drake backing you up.

[LuvPoison]

GRIFFINS!!!!

[Scott Sion]

Solmanian wrote...

It's called dragon age. We should get dragons! Since they talked about having a narrative like DA2 where the story span for several years: You start with a small hatchling (like than in the game of thrones TV series) and by the end of the game you have a bigass drake backing you up.

I could go for that. If that isn't possible though, I demand a Griffin.

[Scott Sion]

LuvPoison wrote...

GRIFFINS!!!!

YESSS! GRIFFINS!!!!!

[n7stormrunner]

a drake... reavers... dragon cults... you should be able to turn the inquisition into a dragon cult with a high dragon in some caves under the castle who will lend you the drake... but only your a reaver

[Dio Demon]

Okay I think we all know what the next age in Thedas is going to be called ... POODLE AGE! No seriously it probably will be known as Griffin Age.