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[Plaintiff]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Anders and FemHawke makes sense since Anders is a Warden. And I imagine there's contraception in Thedas.

Read what I said about that. Absolute rubbish.

Warden in the first game had no problem knocking up Morrigan in a timespan of, what, months? Without the aid of any magic...

Sheer luck.

Perfectly healthy, fertile couples can have unprotected sex for years without conceiving. It's established lore that Wardens have difficulty conceiving, the fact that the Warden in Origins can hit Morrigan's bullseye is irrelevant to Anders and FemHawke.

Also, let's not forget that Hawke's of either gender can be gay.

But it's obvious that a pregnancy wasn't going to happen in DA2. It is not the least bit likely that any of the characters would be able to carry a child to term and then take care of it while doing the things they do.

[Foolsfolly]

Elfman wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

I always theorised that Isabela was infertile.

I would bet on it.

Look at how she reacts to the Rivani fertility idol gift you give her.

I made a thread about that ages ago and everyone was just like, "no you're reading too much into this". Thanks for agreeing with me sort of.

I agree with you totally.



...I don't know why there's an alien smilie.

[wright1978]

In a world where Magic exists surely there are magical means of preventing conception.

[Wulfram]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Oh yeah, and intestines. And even crocodile feces. All kinds of lovely.

However, there's nothing to clarify whether or not stuff like that exists in Thedas.

Wynne says "Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen", so the mages at least have access to some form of contraception, if not a wholly reliable kind.

[Knight of Dane]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Anders and FemHawke makes sense since Anders is a Warden. And I imagine there's contraception in Thedas.

Read what I said about that. Absolute rubbish.

Warden in the first game had no problem knocking up Morrigan in a timespan of, what, months? Without the aid of any magic...

We don't know that Morrigan didn't use her baby magic..

[Terrorize69]

Wulfram wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Oh yeah, and intestines. And even crocodile feces. All kinds of lovely.

However, there's nothing to clarify whether or not stuff like that exists in Thedas.

Wynne says "Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen", so the mages at least have access to some form of contraception, if not a wholly reliable kind.

Only taught to Enchanters or Mages I think lol cause there was a pregant apprentice in the circle during DAO xD

[TheButterflyEffect]

Plaintiff wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Anders and FemHawke makes sense since Anders is a Warden. And I imagine there's contraception in Thedas.

Read what I said about that. Absolute rubbish.

Warden in the first game had no problem knocking up Morrigan in a timespan of, what, months? Without the aid of any magic...

Sheer luck.

Perfectly healthy, fertile couples can have unprotected sex for years without conceiving. It's established lore that Wardens have difficulty conceiving, the fact that the Warden in Origins can hit Morrigan's bullseye is irrelevant to Anders and FemHawke.

Also, let's not forget that Hawke's of either gender can be gay.

But it's obvious that a pregnancy wasn't going to happen in DA2. It is not the least bit likely that any of the characters would be able to carry a child to term and then take care of it while doing the things they do.

Extremely unlikely. It's not about "possiblitiy", it's always a probability.

[Wulfram]

Knight of Dane wrote...

We don't know that Morrigan didn't use her baby magic..

Well, we know she can get pregnant from regular, non-dark ritual sex.  Which actually would seem to go against her plans.

[TheButterflyEffect]

My thoughts precisely... hmmmmmm.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Pig-flesh or bum-love - back in the medival days condoms consisted of animal bladders or intestines tied with twine and were reused many times.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 29 octobre 2012 - 11:47 .

[NRieh]

And no, given the numerous instances of Wardens having kids with healthy individuals, no their fertility is not reduced by that much

According to Alistair all the Wardens' kids he knew were concieved before Taint. Could you give us few examples of post-Joining babies?

Morrigan - is the very-very...special case I'd say. Probably, if Anders was going to impregnate Hawke with an Old God being - he'd have some chances, consiering he knew proper Magic Words and they'd get some spare Archdemon to kill.. But I doubt that was on his to-do list.

And also do not forget, that Alistair was something like 6 month after joining, and male Warden or [possible spoiler companion] had taint in their blood for even shorter period. Anders had it for more than 3 years already (depending on what chapter we're talking about).

As for Isabella - I'm pretty sure that there must be some kind of "OCP" (Oral Contraceptive Potions, lol) in Thedas, but I doubt they are all safe for constant use. Not that it'd stop Isabella (as I see her character).

[Big I]

Here's why there were no pregnancies in DA2: romances are optional content. Having a kid would be a big deal for Hawke, but it's a waste of resources to build something that big into the game if most people aren't going to see it, especially considering there are four possible conception options.


Also, kids complicate where the characters go after the story. Would you have been as willing to go sailing off with Isabella with a young kid in tow, or work with Anders to forment revolution? What about Aveline and her husband, or Isabella and Fenris getting together?

[Plaintiff]

Nrieh wrote...

And no, given the numerous instances of Wardens having kids with healthy individuals, no their fertility is not reduced by that much

According to Alistair all the Wardens' kids he knew were concieved before Taint. Could you give us few examples of post-Joining babies?

Morrigan - is the very-very...special case I'd say. Probably, if Anders was going to impregnate Hawke with an Old God being - he'd have some chances, consiering he knew proper Magic Words and they'd get some spare Archdemon to kill.. But I doubt that was on his to-do list.

And also do not forget, that Alistair was something like 6 month after joining, and male Warden or [possible spoiler companion] had taint in their blood for even shorter period. Anders had it for more than 3 years already (depending on what chapter we're talking about).

As for Isabella - I'm pretty sure that there must be some kind of "OCP" (Oral Contraceptive Potions, lol) in Thedas, but I doubt they are all safe for constant use. Not that it'd stop Isabella (as I see her character).

Isabela I suspect has fertility issues.

[whykikyouwhy]

 

Foolsfolly wrote...

I always theorised that Isabela was infertile.

I would bet on it.

Look at how she reacts to the Rivani fertility idol gift you give her.

The reaction could just as easily be read as discomfort over matters of love - in full, Isabela says this: "Rivaini women would wear these so their wombs would be fruitful and their marriages blessed with many children. Or when they wished for...love." It's during that second sentence where Isabela walks away from Hawke and looks uncomfortable. So, that to me doesn't scream out fertility issues, but rather, it hearkens to her general unease with relationships and matters of the heart.

As far as reproduction in general...as others have stated, there are numerous methods to avoid pregnancy should that not be desired. Some couples may not want children - when Fenris jokingly mentions children to Aveline, she doesn't seem to care for the notion.

So, a long term relationship in which a couple is sexually active, does not always, nor need to, result in pregnancy.

[Fredward]

Eh. Contraception existed I'm pretty sure. Plus I'm sure there were spells for this kinda thing.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I have never put much...no...any thought into this 'issue'. Now that I am, I assume that there are contraceptive mechanisms available to women, and probably men (like the aforementioned bladder condoms).

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

A lot of couples today have sex for years without getting pregnant. I know things are a little more primitive in Dragon Age but still there has to be a way to practice safe sex.

[Tootles FTW]

I'd point to the Blooming Rose as proof that some form of birth control exists in Thedas, otherwise there'd be way more kids scuttling around the place than that one boy.

[esper]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Anders and FemHawke makes sense since Anders is a Warden. And I imagine there's contraception in Thedas.

Read what I said about that. Absolute rubbish.

Warden in the first game had no problem knocking up Morrigan in a timespan of, what, months? Without the aid of any magic...

Sheer luck.

Perfectly healthy, fertile couples can have unprotected sex for years without conceiving. It's established lore that Wardens have difficulty conceiving, the fact that the Warden in Origins can hit Morrigan's bullseye is irrelevant to Anders and FemHawke.

Also, let's not forget that Hawke's of either gender can be gay.

But it's obvious that a pregnancy wasn't going to happen in DA2. It is not the least bit likely that any of the characters would be able to carry a child to term and then take care of it while doing the things they do.

Extremely unlikely. It's not about "possiblitiy", it's always a probability.

Not extremely unlikely. In fact getting pregnant is difficult if you live a stressed life. Not just does the sperm need to find the egg, the egg must also get stuck. This last part can be difficult if you have a stressed life.
If you don't specifically aim for it (such as noting the woman's cycle) preganacy is a large part about luck or unluck (depending on what you want). Then we haven even talk about how various sex related sickness which likely exist in Thedas, but is not cured because the people don't know what it is also can effect the fertility rate.

As for da2, Anders has a canonical really low fertility , Isabella likely knows how to keep herself from not getting pregnent (also leaves), Fenris leaves and we have no idea how difficult an elven/human baby has to grow, but do to it being crossbreed the body might just be more likely to flush the egg out during the period cycle because the body is hostile towards it.

And then we haven't even factored in that Hawke + Li fights in battle. Merill and eventual female blood mages Hawke might just be indulging in stabbing themself in their abandomen, and even if they don't recieving large blow to the stomach is not unlikely.

So even if Hawke and Li do managed to get pregnat the chance that the pregnacy is aborted is pretty high.

....

And now I have made myself depressed. Some subjects are just better to not think about too much.

[mousestalker]

Given that the Chantry and templars discourage mages reproducing, it's almost a certainty that there are contraceptive spells. Or possibly herbal remedies.


Historically here on earth, the spells most in demand in the past were reproductive, contraceptive, wealth generating and curses. I doubt Thedas is any different in that regard. We just get to see the fighting spells.

Modifié par mousestalker, 29 octobre 2012 - 03:26 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Magical condoms.

Next question.

[fchopin]

My PC is celibate so no reproduction.

[Emzamination]

Why has everyone suddenly turned into experts on baby-making?

@Esper T.M.I, my dear.

Modifié par Emzamination, 29 octobre 2012 - 03:42 .