Simple question: since it seems many fans desperately want to meet Warden/Hawke in DA3, but it is doubtful whether devs can manage to import race/gender/appearance of previous characters (to a new engine, too!)...
... what would be the lesser evil? Meeting a Canon! version of Warden/Hawke, with maybe gender and race (and almost certainly appearance) different than yours, or not meeting them at all?
Poll here:
http://social.biowar...33/polls/41055/
Of course meeting the RIGHT Warden/Hawke would be the best solution,but what' if it can't be done? What would be the next best thing?
Canon!Warden/Hawke or No!Warden/Hawke
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Pedrak
, oct. 29 2012 01:32
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 01:49
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The problem is, the narrative structure of Dragon Age has more to do with TES games (that is, same universe, but each narrative on its own) than Mass Effect or The Witcher (where continuity is more important), and thus I don´t think it´s really a good idea to make characters from the past be very important, simply because it would be quite hard to make them "fit in".
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:01
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If that's the case, I'd rather they be left alone completely.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:08
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I'd rather not meet them even if they it's my warden/hawke.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:20
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My warden is dead. And i don't know if they will bother with Warden Commander from Orlei - although that's more likely. Hawke will probably appear.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:22
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I would rather they not appear at all.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:27
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Meh I don't really care to see the Warden or Hawke again, but it wouldn't put me off if I did see them again- regardless of whether or not they were a cannon version. I'm looking forward to an all new situation/NPCs/PC etc.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:51
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No warden and no Hawke. The warden is probably dead or gone crazy same as Alistair and Hawke is in the Caribbean islands someware.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:54
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Keep the Warden and Hawke out of DA3. It'll only cause problems and won't improve the game at all, mark my words. At most, tell us where they are and what happened to them, but don't actually give them an in game representation for crying out loud, unless whatever happened to them left their bodies twisted and corrupted or something.
#10
Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 02:58
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Elfman wrote...
Keep the Warden and Hawke out of DA3. It'll only cause problems and won't improve the game at all, mark my words. At most, tell us where they are and what happened to them, but don't actually give them an in game representation for crying out loud, unless whatever happened to them left their bodies twisted and corrupted or something.
...which would also infuriate people here beyond belief
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 03:00
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I would rather not see them. If they are to be a part of DA3, just tell me about them, don't have them show up. To me that is the best way because then imports can be taken into account like it was in DA2. I don't think a lot of people would be happy seeing the warden or hawke if it was not the one they created. Now, if they could import them as we made them, then that is a different story, but I am skeptical that can be done.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 03:06
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I'd rather meet no Warden than a Warden with the wrong gender/race. I'm assuming a Warden with the wrong gender/race is not something Bioware is considering.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 03:37
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And that's an overwhelming "Better no than canon." I think I agree, too.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 03:39
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Just as Glitspur says.
However I'd like to see the BSN rage when the Warden or Hawke with wrong appearance/gender(/race) shows up.
However I'd like to see the BSN rage when the Warden or Hawke with wrong appearance/gender(/race) shows up.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 03:39
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It depends. For the Warden, I hope they have several different default appearances for the Warden based on the gender and race of the character. For Hawke, they can just use the default appearances we saw in DA2.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 04:08
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freche wrote...
Just as Glitspur says.
However I'd like to see the BSN rage when the Warden or Hawke with wrong appearance/gender(/race) shows up.
So would I. I'd know to consider it when deciding whether or not to spend my cash for this game.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 04:17
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If BioWare can manage to have the Inquisitor meet Hawke/the Warde, correctly, or at least have them appear, cool with me.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 04:18
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Bernhardtbr wrote...
The problem is, the narrative structure of Dragon Age has more to do with TES games (that is, same universe, but each narrative on its own) than Mass Effect or The Witcher (where continuity is more important), and thus I don´t think it´s really a good idea to make characters from the past be very important, simply because it would be quite hard to make them "fit in".
no need to import the character itself, just the information about the character.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 04:43
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I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 04:47
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Ah, but they DO know the personality of Hawke... it's with DA2's tallying of the tone responses you chose.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.
It's why meeting Hawke would be the only feasible option I can foresee...
At least without pissing off a large portion of the fanbase.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 04:55
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FaeQueenCory wrote...
Ah, but they DO know the personality of Hawke... it's with DA2's tallying of the tone responses you chose.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.
It's why meeting Hawke would be the only feasible option I can foresee...
At least without pissing off a large portion of the fanbase.
I honestly don't expect the Warden/Hawke's appearances to amount to anything more than a cameo (and I doubt even that is necessary, but still...). In that context, a "neutral" personality for the Warden ( even better, a silent cameo as he rides by, or seen from afar, or whatever) and the "dominant" tone for Hawke could probably be adopted without being exceedingly jarring to the player.
If race/gender/appearance are correct, that is
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 05:01
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I guess i'm the only one that wants to see them. I would really love to see them in dragon age 3. After I knew dragon age is not about one character I gave my characters to bioware after i finished the game. I knew after dragon age origins my warden is not actually my warden. I would love to see them because at this moment keeping "my old characters" will actually stop their story from progressing. but that's just me 
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 05:01
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FaeQueenCory wrote...
Ah, but they DO know the personality of Hawke... it's with DA2's tallying of the tone responses you chose.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.
It's why meeting Hawke would be the only feasible option I can foresee...
At least without pissing off a large portion of the fanbase.
A Hawke controlled by dominant tone?
No... that wouldn't end well.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 05:13
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I don't want to see the Warden or Hawke at all really. As much as people could argue their stories are not finished I don't think any sort of cameo will contribute to their story. I also don't want a ton of cameos from other characters either, but I think that's probably a battle that's already lost.
My thinking on the matter is that each time you have old characters running into the new PC, it makes the world feel smaller, especially if the events are taking place somewhere other than the previous story. Some of the cameos in DA2 made sense, Alistair as King turning up briefly for a diplomatic meeting makes sense IMO. Others did kind of seem like parading old characters out just to say "Look, remember this guy? He still exists!"
NPCs taking on a larger role and becoming party members is a bit different, but again, could cause the same problems. I say, include a character in the story if they actually need to be in the story, if you have something to do with them, some development that is worthwhile. Don't just chuck in as many characters from previous installments to fill some sort of quota.
Bringing in the Warden or Hawke as NPCs just doesn't seem to advance anything. As far as I can see, all it will do is cause problems with how they are portrayed, what they look like, whether the Warden is voiced, etc.
My thinking on the matter is that each time you have old characters running into the new PC, it makes the world feel smaller, especially if the events are taking place somewhere other than the previous story. Some of the cameos in DA2 made sense, Alistair as King turning up briefly for a diplomatic meeting makes sense IMO. Others did kind of seem like parading old characters out just to say "Look, remember this guy? He still exists!"
NPCs taking on a larger role and becoming party members is a bit different, but again, could cause the same problems. I say, include a character in the story if they actually need to be in the story, if you have something to do with them, some development that is worthwhile. Don't just chuck in as many characters from previous installments to fill some sort of quota.
Bringing in the Warden or Hawke as NPCs just doesn't seem to advance anything. As far as I can see, all it will do is cause problems with how they are portrayed, what they look like, whether the Warden is voiced, etc.
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Posté 29 octobre 2012 - 05:30
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It depends. A default Warden could be Warden who has turned into a fade spirit, for instance. If done well (difficult to do), this could be preferable to having no Warden at all.
However if a default Warden just had an unexplained altered appearance and personality, then it would defeat the point entirely and create a lot of inconsistency within each game world. No Warden appearance would be preferable here.
It also depends, obviously, on how well the appearance is handled. No appearance would be better than a pointless cameo, even if faithfully rendered.
I'm guessing Hawke would be less of an issue to import in a way that is faithful to his or her DA2 appearance and personality, but the same logic applies here regardless.
I should also point out that any appearance of either character would be canon, even if the two of them appeared exactly as they did in previous games. The canon of Dragon Age is just the combined body of literature than can be attributed to the writers of the series, even where this literature contains multiple versions of events.
However if a default Warden just had an unexplained altered appearance and personality, then it would defeat the point entirely and create a lot of inconsistency within each game world. No Warden appearance would be preferable here.
It also depends, obviously, on how well the appearance is handled. No appearance would be better than a pointless cameo, even if faithfully rendered.
I'm guessing Hawke would be less of an issue to import in a way that is faithful to his or her DA2 appearance and personality, but the same logic applies here regardless.
I should also point out that any appearance of either character would be canon, even if the two of them appeared exactly as they did in previous games. The canon of Dragon Age is just the combined body of literature than can be attributed to the writers of the series, even where this literature contains multiple versions of events.
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