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[Pedrak]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

FaeQueenCory wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.

Ah, but they DO know the personality of Hawke... it's with DA2's tallying of the tone responses you chose.

It's why meeting Hawke would be the only feasible option I can foresee...

At least without pissing off a large portion of the fanbase.

A Hawke controlled by dominant tone? 

No... that wouldn't end well.

The dominant tone is a bit of a blunt instrument - for example, it cannot take account of the different shades of roleplaying, say a Hawke who is charming to his friends and aggressive to anybody who barely tries to antagonize him.

If he had a major role in DA3, it probably wouldn't work. Still, for a brief conversation/cutscene, I think it could be pulled off deftly.

Modifié par Pedrak, 29 octobre 2012 - 05:40 .

[Knight of Dane]

People don't want to just meet the Hawke and the Warden they want ot meet 'their' Hawke and Warden, bioware can simply not do that.

[Pedrak]

BigEvil wrote...

My thinking on the matter is that each time you have old characters running into the new PC, it makes the world feel smaller, especially if the events are taking place somewhere other than the previous story.

I don't disagree with this - and that's one of the reasons I disliked the "Anakin built C-3PO" Star Wars prequels nonsense.

Still, both the Warden (if alive) and Hawke are relevant characters in the game world, and a protagonist - assuming he will have a role of a certain importance too - having to meet /deal with them in some way wouldn't appear so unlikely.

On the other hand, less important characters who would have no reasons to travel around or to deal with political matters but keep showing up could definitely appear jarring.

[Vestua]

I'd rather they not appear but if they do they need to at least try to do it in a way that will please everyone.

[Giltspur]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

I guess i'm the only one that wants to see them. I would really love to see them in dragon age 3. After I knew dragon age is not about one character I gave my characters to bioware after i finished the game. I knew after dragon age origins my warden is not actually my warden. I would love to see them because at this moment keeping "my old characters" will actually stop their story from progressing. but that's just me

I lean towards wanting to see them as well.  But there's a lot they need to get right if they go down that road. If they have imports, fine, they have to get the gender and race right and preferably the appearance as well.  If they don't have imports, they still have to get it right.  Best I can come up with is they have to let you set it somehow either  at character creation or in the course of the game.  Though how would you do that from the Inquisitor's perspective? They could give the Inquisitor a knowledge of the Warden's and Hawke's past .  Even moreso than Leliana and Cassandra, he can find the truth.  He's a scholar and a gentleman--an expert on the lives of the Warden and Hawke.  And so people could ask him about the Warden and Hawke, and he could tell them, thereby setting the decisions for the game without need for an import.  (Or maybe you have an option for new gamers where they don't know and game sets a pre-established story.) In a scenario where the Inquistor knows their stories, you could build Hawke and Warden's appearance as Inquisitor tells the story.  But there's a limit to the Inquisitor's knowledge.  He doesn't know any more than the gamer knows.  He may not know what happened to a DR Warden after he disappeared around the time Morrigan did.  But he could describe up until that point and then find out in the course of DA3 at the same time the player does.  In other words, make a PC that knows as much as the player does about the Warden and Hawke.  That would be one way around problem of not having an import.  Again, the other option is to have an import.  Either way seems like it would work.

Modifié par Giltspur, 29 octobre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Vestua]

^ I mentioned the above in another thread before as a way they can try to do their appearances but it seems many think it will break immersion in the game to much.

[Androme]

 Too big of an opportunity to let go, I'd rather have them canonized.

[BigEvil]

Pedrak wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

My thinking on the matter is that each time you have old characters running into the new PC, it makes the world feel smaller, especially if the events are taking place somewhere other than the previous story.

I don't disagree with this - and that's one of the reasons I disliked the "Anakin built C-3PO" Star Wars prequels nonsense.

Still, both the Warden (if alive) and Hawke are relevant characters in the game world, and a protagonist - assuming he will have a role of a certain importance too - having to meet /deal with them in some way wouldn't appear so unlikely.

On the other hand, less important characters who would have no reasons to travel around or to deal with political matters but keep showing up could definitely appear jarring.

Indeed, it was the Star Wars prequels that prompted my dislike for such things.

I can see your point, certainly previous PCs will always rank amongst the most important characters in the setting. If the story of DA3 provides good reason and build-up to a meeting it wouldn't be terrible and could be great, but without knowing the story of DA3 it's difficult to comment on. That's why my stance would be, include the characters if it's worthwhile to include them. I suppose I just have doubts that the inclusion of the Warden or Hawke will be because it's worthwhile instead of just bowing to fans who spent much of the time after DA2's release demanding their Warden back. I mean, if the story of DA3 isn't going to work with the inclusion of the Warden and Hawke appearing, but perhaps DA4's story will, I'm more than prepared to wait.

I mostly just want returning characters handled with care and not just used to fulfil some sort of cameo quota.

[Genshie]

Giltspur wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

I guess i'm the only one that wants to see them. I would really love to see them in dragon age 3. After I knew dragon age is not about one character I gave my characters to bioware after i finished the game. I knew after dragon age origins my warden is not actually my warden. I would love to see them because at this moment keeping "my old characters" will actually stop their story from progressing. but that's just me

I lean towards wanting to see them as well.  But there's a lot they need to get right if they go down that road. If they have imports, fine, they have to get the gender and race right and preferably the appearance as well.  If they don't have imports, they still have to get it right.  Best I can come up with is they have to let you set it somehow either  at character creation or in the course of the game.  Though how would you do that from the Inquisitor's perspective? They could give the Inquisitor a knowledge of the Warden's and Hawke's past .  Even moreso than Leliana and Cassandra, he can find the truth.  He's a scholar and a gentleman--an expert on the lives of the Warden and Hawke.  And so people could ask him about the Warden and Hawke, and he could tell them, thereby setting the decisions for the game without need for an import.  (Or maybe you have an option for new gamers where they don't know and game sets a pre-established story.) In a scenario where the Inquistor knows their stories, you could build Hawke and Warden's appearance as Inquisitor tells the story.  But there's a limit to the Inquisitor's knowledge.  He doesn't know any more than the gamer knows.  He may not know what happened to a DR Warden after he disappeared around the time Morrigan did.  But he could describe up until that point and then find out in the course of DA3 at the same time the player does.  In other words, make a PC that knows as much as the player does about the Warden and Hawke.  That would be one way around problem of not having an import.  Again, the other option is to have an import.  Either way seems like it would work.

I like everything about this mini-rant. Bioware however has already stated that importing is going to be used some how and that they are trying to find a way to improve upon it. It may not be importing as has we think it but the concept will be there probably just improved. Most of the events I see being resolved in DA3 are events that were left hanging in DAO and DAOA. There wasn't actually that many world changing events in DA2 so I believe the concept on the game will focus on mage/templar conflict but will be resolving the prior games events from the previous two titles.

[Shevy]

If they can't do it in a satisfying way, and I doubt they can, don't do it at all!

So I'm going to be comfortable if they leave out the Warden; Hawke would be possible ( already voiced, one of three personalities, new art direction)

Modifié par Shevy_001, 29 octobre 2012 - 07:25 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I do not under ANY circumstances want to encounter the male Hawke who looks like Commander Riker with a blood smear across his nose. I voted "If they are not "my" Warden and Hawke, I'd rather not meet them".

[Shadow Fox]

The problem is there is no canon version of these characters just the ones used in promo trailers.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The problem is there is no canon version of these characters just the ones used in promo trailers.

Cool. Let's all hope it stays that way.

[Shadow Fox]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The problem is there is no canon version of these characters just the ones used in promo trailers.

Cool. Let's all hope it stays that way.

yes

[Vicious]

How many years after DA:O are we in DA3? The Warden could be dead or insane. He/she was doomed from day 1.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Vicious wrote...

How many years after DA:O are we in DA3? The Warden could be dead or insane. He/she was doomed from day 1.

13, if I remember correctly. There's some variance, but I figure we can expect our Warden to be alive that long. More, if Avernus's potion does something along those lines. Edit: And if the Warden drinks it, but I'm planning to give it to all my Wardens if I ever bother buying the DLC.

Edit: Also, most of the variance occurs by coming into constant contact with darkspawn and their blood. A mage or archer can probably expect most of the thirty years Alistair gives. The rest of it is the Wardens individual strength, which is helped if the person doing the Joining is young. Loghain, on the other hand, has a very good chance of being dead by now, especially since he's a close-in fighter.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 29 octobre 2012 - 08:31 .

[Quicksilver26]

let just say that the only thing i really want out of the imports is the race and gender of my warden and of course the gender of my Hawke i wouldn't really care so much about how they look just that my warden was indeed a female noble and Hawke was a woman they can speak and look however Bioware needs them to just as long as race and gender are taken it to consideration

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.

there's three to choose from 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I don't see how "our" Warden/Hawke could be implemented. It's not just the appearance that makes them ours; it's the personality. And BioWare doesn't know the personality.

there's three to choose from 

More, in Origins. For best results, it would be a combination of the Warden's voiceset, general moral leanings, and since the Mage-Templar war is a major sticking point whether or not they Annulled the Circle. Starting to see how hard this might be to do right?

For that matter, there's some room for error getting our Hawke right if it's not a combination of personality, moral, and choice regarding the Mage/Templar conflict.

[cogsandcurls]

If they're not mine, I'd rather not meet them. I would assume that the reason people want to see their Wardens/Hawkes again is to do with the emotional attatchment they have to those particular versions of the characters, not because they desperately want to meet some unknown guy who once stopped a Blight, yes?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Because canonizing Revan and Exile for TOR went over spectacularly.

I'd rather not meet them at all. Codex entries and the occasional reference is just fine by me.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Bioware could give us out Hawke and our Warden. The question is will they bother given how much work it would take?

[OdanUrr]

No Warden. No Hawke.

[NomadDC]

Not meet at all. Canon warden/hawke are quite different from my warden/hawke.
For example both have good sense of humor and approach situations with humor, without smug and indefinite heroism. They are just good men put under difficult conditions.
Warden tends to be more "diplomatic" on mage topic, and he saved Circle, when Hawke takes templar side and supports rite of annulment at the end, but prior to it - acts more diplomatic as well. And both have templar specialisation.

TL;DR:
So I guess you see, they are far from canon ones, so I'd prefer to never meet them if they are canon, but ofcourse, if they will be imported properly - I will be glad to meet them again.

[Dave of Canada]

My Hawke was an aggressive viscount and a supporter and hero to the Templar, any less would be sad to me.

My Warden is either dead (not a problem) or Prince-Consort of Ferelden. I'd rather not see them, just hear and see their influence.