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[JimTasty]

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[Pzykozis]

Likely running away! Just some dude newly becomes a warden told he needs to stop something that armies have stopped in the past but with very little support, screw that run for the hills, abandon denerim and head to orlais meet up with the wardens from there or just keep on running. If you're talking about within game constraints I'd say hit up redcliff at this point you have no real political sway and the dominant race is actively hunting you accused of regicide, you need a backer and someone with some form of clout.

[Il Divo]

Assuming the Warden is interested in primarily stopping the Blight, not simply reconnecting with whatever location their backstory takes place in, I'm inclined to say Redcliffe. It's closed to where you in Ostagar (if I remember right) and Alistair does bring up how Arl Eamon would be a powerful ally.

Although a case could be made that a Mage Warden or Dalish Elf would think they could more easily convince their respective leaders to aid them. The Dwarf commoner, noble, city elf, and human noble don't have that same backing.

Modifié par Il Divo, 29 octobre 2012 - 02:22 .

[LobselVith8]

It depends on what The Warden thinks is the best course of action. Levi Dryden approached my Surana Warden after Lothering, so it was logical to address that issue first. Perhaps the Inquisitor may have face a similar scenario.

[JerZey CJ]

And this has what to do with DAIII?

[Potato Cat]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

And this has what to do with DAIII?

Exactly.

But I'm playing Origins right now. I would say Redcliffe, but without Alistair. More dramatic if you save his presence for later on.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Elfman wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

And this has what to do with DAIII?

Exactly.

But I'm playing Origins right now. I would say Redcliffe, but without Alistair. More dramatic if you save his presence for later on.

This, it's kinda boring if you know who he is from the start.

[Ferretinabun]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Elfman wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

And this has what to do with DAIII?

Exactly.

But I'm playing Origins right now. I would say Redcliffe, but without Alistair. More dramatic if you save his presence for later on.

This, it's kinda boring if you know who he is from the start.

Really? I don't feel this as a plot reveal later on is very dramatic...

[sylvanaerie]

Logically speaking, Redcliffe is closer, Alistair mentions Arl Eamon as early as Flemeth's hut. Duncan/Cailan mentioned him as soon as the warden arrives in Ostagar, letting the player know that Redcliffe was getting geared up for the war and had yet to arrive. In Lothering Arl Eamon is mentioned again not just on the outskirts, but inside the chantry by the knight there. Logically speaking, by being closest to the warden geographically, and by mention, it would be your first stop.

For me, it never is. I prefer to tackle the treaties by origin. So my mages go to the Circle first unless in the story, I want them to hit Redcliffe, see the circle is needed (if I go that route) then head there. If I am on my Dalish, I go to the B.Forest. If I am on my Dwarf Noble (I've never been able to finish a dwarf character, though I got further with the DN than the DC who got deleted right after she got to Ostagar), then Orzammar is first, since my DN has a burning desire to stick it to Bhelen. My HN usually starts with the Circle, but that has more to do with picking up Wynne to help with my questing than any preference of place.

Redcliffe is my favorite part of the game, and I like maintaining the 'mystery' of Alistair as long as I can, dramatically revealing it just prior to the Landsmeet is my favorite tactic. Sometimes I even do the Ashes quest right out of Lothering since that seems to be the most pressing issue--you don't know about all the other things going on just yet at that point--and yea you don't need to do Redcliffe prior...but it sure makes Teagan do a spittake when you tell him "Hey I already have the ashes" when he tries to send you out on 'the impossible quest'.

[Aleya]

To me the most logical order is
1) Redcliffe. We need political support more than anything, it's close to Ostagar, and Alistair has an in there.
2) Circle Tower. We know something's wrong, mages are incredibly powerful, and in my head-canon you also go there to ask the First Enchanter for help for Eamon. It's a better change of helping him quickly than some mythical urn.
3) (for non-dwarves) Orzammar. Because we really need Eamon and you pass it on the way from Denerim to Haven. Doesn't make sense to risk those mountains twice when you're on the clock. Dwarves wouldn't go here because they'd want to have some measure of security from allies on the surface first.
4) Urn of Sacred Ashes.
5) (for dwarves) Orzammar. Now that you have Eamon backing you it'd be marginally safer.
6) Brecillian Forest. The location of the Dalish is the vaguest of all and for a non-Dalish the chances of getting their help are fairly small. A Dalish elf wouldn't prioritize their own people because they know their own clan has already moved on and they'll know where to find another clan even if they wait a while.

[ejoslin]

It depends on the warden.

City elf -- Denerim. When you left, things were looking bad. There's also a story reason to go to see if you can find Genetivi.

Casteless dwarf -- Orzammar. Make sure your sister is ok.

Dalish elf -- the Dalish.

mage -- perhaps the circle. Even though she left under bad circumstances, she knows she will have Irving's support.

The rest I can see going to Redcliffe first. Dwarf noble's family has cast her out and just after Lothering, she's still pretty powerless. Human noble would probably at least know about Eamon which apparently is Alistair's view of him. Though a human noble may be interested in the happenings in Denerim and may have allies there as well (though nothing really indicates that).

[likeorasgod]

Aleya wrote...

To me the most logical order is
1) Redcliffe. We need political support more than anything, it's close to Ostagar, and Alistair has an in there.
2) Circle Tower. We know something's wrong, mages are incredibly powerful, and in my head-canon you also go there to ask the First Enchanter for help for Eamon. It's a better change of helping him quickly than some mythical urn.
3) (for non-dwarves) Orzammar. Because we really need Eamon and you pass it on the way from Denerim to Haven. Doesn't make sense to risk those mountains twice when you're on the clock. Dwarves wouldn't go here because they'd want to have some measure of security from allies on the surface first.
4) Urn of Sacred Ashes.
5) (for dwarves) Orzammar. Now that you have Eamon backing you it'd be marginally safer.
6) Brecillian Forest. The location of the Dalish is the vaguest of all and for a non-Dalish the chances of getting their help are fairly small. A Dalish elf wouldn't prioritize their own people because they know their own clan has already moved on and they'll know where to find another clan even if they wait a while.

For logical order I would agree with this for my dwarven and human chars.  Mage and Elvish chars would go after Redcliffe and the Tower as those seem to be what would be first to reach and taken care of.  Though my actual habits tend to be Circle,  Forest, Redcliffe, Ashes, and Orzammar last.   Trying to break that habit some.  I just find doing Redcliffe without atleast one good healer or AOE mage is hard to keep every one alive.  If your not carring about that extra fact than go in early.  My current Noble Male (evil guy) is going to go there next as he' just left Lother and doesnt care about being some savior of Redcliffe village, just to get his army....and to kill Howle in a bloody mess one limb at a time.....

[Wulfram]

There's a decent argument that the rumours you might hear about the Mages - about everyone turning into demons - sound more urgent than the rumours about the others, so you should go do that first.

Of course there's also a decent argument that there are better prospects in places where everyone isn't turning into demons.

[Mike3207]

Follow Morrigan's suggestion-go after Loghain.

[keeneaow]

I'm very tempted to get the extra stats in the mage tower/fade ASAP,
but the desire demon + templars are so hard so i usually do redcliffe first,
to get at least aura of might (lv 12), but better yet shimmering shield (lv 14)

[vinrioja]

Strictly role-playing, I would say Redcliffe would be the first stop after Lothering, esp. after talking to the knight in the Chantry and learning of the Arl's dire condition. Tactically, I would say the first stops should be the DLC locations to level-up and get the extra gear/loot/companion before setting off on the main quests. I also like to have Sten's quest initiated before heading to Redcliffe, so prior trips to Lake Calenhad and Frostback Mountains are completed as well.

[frostajulie]

Depends on who you are in your Orgin and how you RP the character.

Aura was an Elven Mage who vowed never to return to the mages tower. Her sole drive and focus was to accumulate enough power to ensure she would never have to return. Her first stop was Redcliffe The tower was last and only when it became unavoidable. I rped her as scratching at the doors to get out ALi had to smack her around a bit. Very satisfying playthru

I played a Tabris fem city elf who avoided redcliffe because of her distrust and hatred of Shems She went to Orzammar first and saved Redcliffe for last.

My Cousland went to Redcliffe first she believed in the power of Ferelden Nobility and Ferelden Justice.

My Mahariel felt lost in the Shem world so she went to her people first.
MyAeducan went to Recliffe first feeling she could handle the powerplays of nobility. But My Brosca went to the elves first she was not too keen on nobility of any kind and had no desire to return to Orzammar.

[Monica21]

Wulfram wrote...

There's a decent argument that the rumours you might hear about the Mages - about everyone turning into demons - sound more urgent than the rumours about the others, so you should go do that first.

Of course there's also a decent argument that there are better prospects in places where everyone isn't turning into demons.

I'm of the opinion that the Circle makes the most sense. The templar in the Lothering Chantry tells you that they've sent for the Right of Annulment and that's a pretty big deal. You need the mages. You don't necessarily need Eamon so much as you need Redcliffe troops. There's a point to be made that even if Eamon is sick, someone else will send his troops for him (which is really what Teagan should have done instead of sending you all over Ferelden for the ashes). Even if Eamon dies, you'll have an ally in Teagan. It's a fair assumption, without metagaming, that Eamon's brother would do what Eamon did, even if he doesn't hold the same power Eamon does.

[KnightofPhoenix]

RedCliffe, you need a base of operations and it's the closest to Lothering. SAving it could be used to unite the bannorn to stall Loghain while you are busy gathering your army.

Of course Teagan's incompetent idiocy makes the argument moot, but still.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 novembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[TEWR]

Both Redcliffe and the Circle have merits to going towards first. While Redcliffe could serve as a base of operations, the Circle's mages are also necessary.

And if the RoA has indeed been called for, it means the Circle is on the brink of destruction and just barely holding on. So with them turning into Demons, if the Templars fall Abominations would run out into the countryside.

Which while they might help stave off the Darkspawn -- goddamn do I want to see an Abomination vs. Darkspawn moment -- they'd also be doing a lot of damage to the countryside and its denizens.

Best to deal with that first, IMO. And you could then petition a few Mages to go out and work on helping Arl Eamon with his sickness.

Ultimately, while Redcliffe and the Circle are both the logical places to go first for their own separate reasons, it's rendered moot because the reasons aren't addressed in-game.

Not that they were necessary, but it sure as hell would've been nice.

[KotorEffect3]

Well after Loghain's betrayal at Ostagar it would make sense to heed Alistair's advice to hit up the Arl of Redcliffe for help and support but if you end up talking to the Templar Commander in Lothering he mentions that their is trouble in the circle of Magi and it would make sense to to see what is going on with the mages. I usually end up doing Warden's keep first from a story perspective it makes sense to secure a base of operations right away and from a gameplay perspective I like to having the chest and two merchants available early on.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[mousestalker]

It depends upon your origin and how you played it. A dwarf might think Orzammar ("Hey I have mad connections there") or not ("They will kill me when they see me. I do not wish to die"). A mage might want to return to the Circle ("Ha ha, I can leave when I wanna! Suck on that!") or not ("Why in the Maker's name would I ever want to return to that prison?"). The Dalish will want to go see the Dalish. The City Elf will want to head back to Denerim to check on Dad and the cousins. Only the noble origin is likely going to favour Redcliffe, because nobles never feel better than when they get to oppress the labouring classes and pretend they are saving the menials from harm at the same time.


{Lift the red banner high! Workers of the world unite! Let's stick it to the Man!}

Modifié par mousestalker, 19 décembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[gneisenau556]

Go to Denerim, speak with Loghain and tell him that you are going to go gather your army ?