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[Jonata]

 So, the Coercion formula for Intimidation is

(Coercion level * 25) + [Strenght - 10]

but does that mean that with an Arcane Warrior my magic attributes will be counted instead?

I'm asking this because I'd like to gain the Blood Magic specialization without having to give up on Connor. Is there another way? 

[keeneaow]

No, Intimidation never worked for me, vs that dwarf Dwyn for example
so only str works on intimidation.

Modifié par keeneaow, 30 octobre 2012 - 01:27 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That depends. How many points do you have in Coercion?

[keeneaow]

Chances are Connor will fall victim to the plague these days before the Desire demon can get him anyway, or get drafted into an army and drown during a river crossing while fleeing for his life.
At least his death will have a meaning if it made You stronger.
That's how i evaluate the situation anyways...

[Blazomancer]

Jonata wrote...

 So, the Coercion formula for Intimidation is

(Coercion level * 25) + [Strenght - 10]

but does that mean that with an Arcane Warrior my magic attributes will be counted instead?

I'm asking this because I'd like to gain the Blood Magic specialization without having to give up on Connor. Is there another way? 

As riverdaleswhiteflash mentioned, it depends on your coercion level and the difficulty level of the coercion check. Magic won't replace strength for coercion. I don't exactly know how many points in coercion skill you'd need to successfully intimidate the desire demon, as during my playthrough, I was maxed out in coercion. If you are not already into the fade for Connor, you may consider collecting all the tomes around and invest in coercion.

[keeneaow]

That would require going to the mage tower to collect the cunning points before going to redcliffe,
an unnatural order

[Blazomancer]

keeneaow wrote...

That would require going to the mage tower to collect the cunning points before going to redcliffe,
an unnatural order

If the OP is not going to sacrifice Isolde (which I assume is the case as the OP is not willing to bring harm even to her son), the Broken Circle quest would need to be completed before the final confrontation of the demon in the fade anyway.

BTW, how is anything unnatural in an open-ended RPG?

[dainbramage]

This hasn't yet been mentioned, but when you unlock a specialisation it's unlocked across all playthroughs. Just saving, giving up connor for blood magic, reloading and driving off the demon should give you blood magic and free connor.

[keeneaow]

Blazomancer wrote...

keeneaow wrote...

That would require going to the mage tower to collect the cunning points before going to redcliffe,
an unnatural order

If the OP is not going to sacrifice Isolde (which I assume is the case as the OP is not willing to bring harm even to her son), the Broken Circle quest would need to be completed before the final confrontation of the demon in the fade anyway.

BTW, how is anything unnatural in an open-ended RPG?

He didnt care for Isolde, he cared for Connor.

And unnatural in the sense that Redcliffe is easier than any other quest, and so should be the first visit.

[Blazomancer]

Saying that Redcliffe "should" be the first visit is not appropriate in my opinion. After all someone who is playing the game suppose for the first time won't know anything about the enemy level scaling of a particular area. Only in subsequent playthroughs, people choose different orders for metagaming or roleplay reasons.
And, as is evident from the level scaling hard-coded by Bioware for each area, the circle tower has a lower upper-level limit for enemies than Redcliffe village, meaning if someone's bothered by difficulty, the Broken Circle questline is easier than the Arl of Redcliffe questline.

[keeneaow]

Ok, up to you, but hard coded or not, my avatar get exponentially stronger per lv due to additional skills, while monsters only get linear stronger.
(This flattens out after lv 16+, but at early stage redcliffe is easier IMO, especially in tower before fade with new forms)

Modifié par keeneaow, 30 octobre 2012 - 10:10 .

[Blazomancer]

keeneaow wrote...

Ok, up to you, but hard coded or not, my avatar get exponentially stronger per lv due to additional skills, while monsters only get linear stronger.
(This flattens out after lv 16+, but at early stage redcliffe is easier IMO, especially in tower before fade with new forms)

I don't really get what you mean by linearity for monsters' strength.

The wiki entry mentions that Challenge Scaling do take place for each area.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

keeneaow wrote...

Blazomancer wrote...

keeneaow wrote...

That would require going to the mage tower to collect the cunning points before going to redcliffe,
an unnatural order

If the OP is not going to sacrifice Isolde (which I assume is the case as the OP is not willing to bring harm even to her son), the Broken Circle quest would need to be completed before the final confrontation of the demon in the fade anyway.

BTW, how is anything unnatural in an open-ended RPG?

He didnt care for Isolde, he cared for Connor.

And unnatural in the sense that Redcliffe is easier than any other quest, and so should be the first visit.

How is the quest that doesn't provide you a spirit healer easier? And how does it not make the other ones easier by merit of having the spirit healer?

[Jonata]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

keeneaow wrote...

Blazomancer wrote...

keeneaow wrote...

That would require going to the mage tower to collect the cunning points before going to redcliffe,
an unnatural order

If the OP is not going to sacrifice Isolde (which I assume is the case as the OP is not willing to bring harm even to her son), the Broken Circle quest would need to be completed before the final confrontation of the demon in the fade anyway.

BTW, how is anything unnatural in an open-ended RPG?

He didnt care for Isolde, he cared for Connor.

And unnatural in the sense that Redcliffe is easier than any other quest, and so should be the first visit.

How is the quest that doesn't provide you a spirit healer easier? And how does it not make the other ones easier by merit of having the spirit healer?

Yeah, I would like to keep Isolde alive as well, but I do not think that Redcliffe should be done as the first quest just because it's easier... and I think keeneaow is right: from a gameplay perspective, Wynne should be amongst the first party members to recruit in every playthrough. Plot-wise, every quest before Denerim can be done in the order the player prefers.

It's also pretty logical that my Mage would want to go back to the Tower soon after Ostagar to check things out.  

PS: in the end, I think I would simply get Coercion IV before doing the quest so that I'll have a level 100 Intimidation without even wasting points into Strenght.

Modifié par Jonata, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:24 .