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[TheButterflyEffect]

Even though he was a twit for buddying with that crazy blood mage that killed your Mom (not that I really cared much about her), there was something extremely attractive about Orsino as a character... not to mention the fact he had an awesome voice actor... and he was kind of cute looking to boot. Hehe. <3

I find it weird the he's the only major elven magi character we get to meet in games... (though not a single word is ever uttered that even relates to him being an elf.)

Of course, there's several Dalish Elven Magi, but the far more emphasis is placed on their identity as Dalish, not really as mages. And they're really not involved in the whole Chantry vs Mage conflict, for clearly stated reasons.

The next game needs really more prominent Elven mage characters (preferably non-Dalish) involved in the whole Chantry vs Mage conflict, like Orsino. Cause they're bloody awesome. So much that I actually made a mod for DAO to make First Enchanter Irving an elf that resembles Orsino. Because he's a bajillion times better as an elf. Elven mages rock!

Anyway, I had a discussion on a different board with some people about the remote possiblity of Dwarven mages... even though it's stated that none have ever been found to have any magical capability whatsoever, there's something bizarre about Sandal that everyone is making wild speculations about, including some that he could possibly be the first magical Dwarf. Thoughts?

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 29 octobre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Stranger things have happened than Sandal being capable of magic. Besides, that does seem to be the direction he's going in.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 29 octobre 2012 - 10:06 .

[Maclimes]

Dwarves normally can't be mages, because Dwarves don't connect to the Fade. (This is also why they don't dream).

However, Sandal is not the first Dwarf to be talented with enchantments. The act of imbuing magic into physical objects is apparently a knack that many Dwarves possess, though they cannot directly practice magic themselves. (Perhaps it is safer, since they are less likely to be affected by the magic itself?)

[thats1evildude]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I find it weird the he's the only major elven magi character we get to meet in games... (though not a single word is ever uttered that even relates to him being an elf.)

I must have dreamed that part about meeting Merrill, then.

OHMIGOD! I just looked in the Dragon Age 2 forum and there's a bunch of people having the same dream as me!

[TheButterflyEffect]

Yes, dwarves dream... at least when they become Wardens, both Oghren and a Dwarf Warden have dreams about the Archdemons.

Wait, now I'm confused.... do they normally not dream at all? Why does becoming a Warden suddenly make them dream?

[TheButterflyEffect]

thats1evildude wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I find it weird the he's the only major elven magi character we get to meet in games... (though not a single word is ever uttered that even relates to him being an elf.)

I must have dreamed that part about meeting Merrill, then.

OHMIGOD! I just looked in the Dragon Age 2 forum and there's a bunch of people having the same dream as me!

You clearly didn't read the paragraph I wrote right below that. I said there are several Dalish mages in the games, but emphasis is mostly placed on them being Dalish, not really on them being mages.

In other words, I meant non Dalish Elven mages.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 29 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .

[Maclimes]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Yes, dwarves dream... at least when they become Wardens, both Oghren and a Dwarf Warden have dreams about the Archdemons.

Wait, now I'm confused.... do they normally not dream at all? Why does becoming a Warden suddenly make them dream?

They're not actually dreaming. They're hearing direct communication from the Archdemon to all darkspawn (or rather, all creatures with the taint). They can also hear it when they're awake, but not as clearly.

[JCAP]

Maclimes wrote...

Dwarves normally can't be mages, because Dwarves don't connect to the Fade. (This is also why they don't dream).

However, Sandal is not the first Dwarf to be talented with enchantments. The act of imbuing magic into physical objects is apparently a knack that many Dwarves possess, though they cannot directly practice magic themselves. (Perhaps it is safer, since they are less likely to be affected by the magic itself?)

Remember Sandal in the Deep Roads? When Hawke looks at the frozen ogre?

"Not echantment"

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Yes, dwarves dream... at least when they become Wardens, both Oghren and a Dwarf Warden have dreams about the Archdemons.

Wait, now I'm confused.... do they normally not dream at all? Why does becoming a Warden suddenly make them dream?

Is not a dream, exactly, it's a "hearing" of the darkspawn.

To hear the darkspawn it is not necessary to go to the fade.

[Maclimes]

Although there is that bit in Awakening where Oghren talks about a "dream" he had, which has nothing to do with darkspawn. But that's actually acknowledged in-game, because a Dwarven Warden can react in a way that indicates confusion as well, since dwarves don't dream.

The likely answer is simply that Oghren was drunk and delusional.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Yes, dwarves dream... at least when they become Wardens, both Oghren and a Dwarf Warden have dreams about the Archdemons.

Wait, now I'm confused.... do they normally not dream at all? Why does becoming a Warden suddenly make them dream?

They do the non-Fade dreaming that humans do in real life. (At least, I think I remember TEWR saying something like that. I'd always thought they just didn't dream.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 29 octobre 2012 - 10:15 .

[thats1evildude]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

You clearly didn't read the paragraph I wrote right below that. I said there are several Dalish mages in the games, but emphasis is mostly placed on them being Dalish, not really on them being mages.

In other words, I meant non Dalish Elven mages.

I 'spose I did. Mah mistake.

But really, the Circle is done as an organization. There ain't no Circle no more, there's just mages.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 29 octobre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Maclimes]

JCAP wrote...

Remember Sandal in the Deep Roads? When Hawke looks at the frozen ogre?

"Not echantment"

I remember. And I agree Sandal is special. Although we don't know why. It COULD BE that he's the first dwarf to have a connection to the Fade (which might also explain his bizarre mental state). But there could be other explanations.

Maybe he's actually a half-dwarf? We haven't seen any, but we know half-elves are possible. Perhaps half-dwarves are, too.

Maybe he's protected by a Fade spirit? (Or some other powerful magical entity?)

Maybe there's just something else we don't have an explanation for yet, because there's more to the Dragon Age setting than just the things we've been shown so far.

[JCAP]

Maclimes wrote...

JCAP wrote...

Remember Sandal in the Deep Roads? When Hawke looks at the frozen ogre?

"Not echantment"

I remember. And I agree Sandal is special. Although we don't know why. It COULD BE that he's the first dwarf to have a connection to the Fade (which might also explain his bizarre mental state). But there could be other explanations.

Maybe he's actually a half-dwarf? We haven't seen any, but we know half-elves are possible. Perhaps half-dwarves are, too.

Maybe he's protected by a Fade spirit? (Or some other powerful magical entity?)

Maybe there's just something else we don't have an explanation for yet, because there's more to the Dragon Age setting than just the things we've been shown so far.

Something tells me that we will never know...

[Potato Cat]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I find it weird the he's the only major elven magi character we get to meet in games... (though not a single word is ever uttered that even relates to him being an elf.)

I must have dreamed that part about meeting Merrill, then.

OHMIGOD! I just looked in the Dragon Age 2 forum and there's a bunch of people having the same dream as me!

You clearly didn't read the paragraph I wrote right below that. I said there are several Dalish mages in the games, but emphasis is mostly placed on them being Dalish, not really on them being mages.

In other words, I meant non Dalish Elven mages.

Sketch, Varania, Huon, (not really that important but still). And it reflects Dalish and elven beliefs that it's about them being Dalish and not mages, because they accept and respect mages, without them being like Tevinter's Magisters.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maclimes wrote...


I remember. And I agree Sandal is special. Although we don't know why. It COULD BE that he's the first dwarf to have a connection to the Fade (which might also explain his bizarre mental state). But there could be other explanations.

Maybe he's actually a half-dwarf? We haven't seen any, but we know half-elves are possible. Perhaps half-dwarves are, too.

They are supposed to be. The first Human Berserker was supposed to be part dwarf.

Maybe he's protected by a Fade spirit? (Or some other powerful magical entity?)

Possible.

Maybe there's just something else we don't have an explanation for yet, because there's more to the Dragon Age setting than just the things we've been shown so far.

Or this.

[Maclimes]

JCAP wrote...
Something tells me that we will never know...

Part of me thinks that would be okay. Imagination is awesome.

But another part of me REALLY WANTS TO KNOW, DAMMIT.

[vortex216]

im hoping sandal will be a mage companion in dA3

[Scott Sion]

Sandal will be the Antagonist in DA3. He played dumb in the last two games while he acted upon his plans to start the mage/templar war.

When Sandal was in the deep roads before he was there as a grey warden. Him and his team had tracked down the location of one of the magisters of old. During the fight Sandal was the last of the wardens to survive and he managed to strike the final blow. Like Corypheus, the magister of old that Sandal had been fighting possessed sandal before he could truly be killed.

That's why Sandal can use magic; he's really one of the magisters of old plotting from the side lines.

Modifié par plnero, 29 octobre 2012 - 11:22 .

[Maclimes]

Actually, I did some reading and research. Here's what I found regarding Sandal: He's not a mage.

David Gaider did an interview with Thedas UK over Skype in January (http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html). He was asked about Sandal and the Ogre, here's what was said:

TUK: Can you tell us what he did to the ogre that was apparently not enchantment, that he...what the hell did he do?

DG: He went "Boom!" Sandal makes things, Sandal makes really cool things, sometimes he puts them in his pockets and forgets about them until there's an ogre handy.

In short, it wasn't a magic spell or anything he cast. He literally MADE something previously, and used that. This just seems like a natural extension of the dwarven (and especially Sandal's) skill with working with magically-infused objects and materials.

I think we have to accept that Sandal is just an extremely talented dwarf, and not necessarily rule-breaking.

Modifié par Maclimes, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:41 .

[garrusfan1]

I wondered this myself I think there should be a dwarven mage. Yes they don't exist but there is always exceptions like 1 in a million

[Frocharocha]

I had a theory on why the Dwarves weren't able to use magic. But i forgot it and made alot of sense x.x

It's surely has to do with the Red Lyrium/Pure Lyrium. Meredith wasn't a mage, whomever, when she used the Red Lyrium she was capble of usig magic.

It's possible that the first dwarvens eated the Pure Lyrium to increase their magical capbilities. But they turned into stone and abbandoned this strange diet.

EDIT: I REMEBERED; Magic is nothing more than people who borns with a bigger connection to the fade. Aka; Peopel who dreams more. Feynrel was The Dreamless, a human-elf who could 100% dream and therefore enter the fade without the use of magic.

It made alot of sense that the exposure to Pure Lyrium made de dwarves uncappble of dreaming and thefore; They lost their connection to the fade and teh ability to use magic.

Modifié par Frocharocha, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:57 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

there will be only one dwarven mage and his name is sandal ENCHANTMENT!

[Mummy22kids]

I agree it would be interesting to meet a Dwarven Mage. I really like the idea of NPCs who don't fit the mold of what we expect from a certain race/class. For example, I found the inclusion of talking/reasoning darkspawn in Awakening to be fascinating. I really wanted to know why and how the darkspawn were able to talk and reason. By the same token if I were to come across a Dwarven Mage I'd be fascinated by why/how that came to be.

[Guns]

The worse thing you can do is to retcon. That's when universes start going to crap *cough* warcraft * cough*. They've done enough of it already for dragon age.

Modifié par Guns, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:21 .