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[sarcastictruths]

I have this belief that a long time ago before the corruption of the Golden city that Dwarves were mages ( Or at least there were Dwarvan mages.) They lost their not only their magical abilities but their ability to entire the fade naturally. We know in the game that a dwarf can be pulled into the fade, but they don't enter it on their own. ( They don't dream.)

The reason they lost these things is either because they handled lyium too much, and that cut them off from the fade, or because they were responsible for the corruption of the Golden city. The maker sent them back into the world of the living, and cut them off from the fade forever as punishment. These dwarves could wanting to gain access to the fade once again created the darkspawn, and a new evil was realeased upon the world.

Through, my theory is highly unlikely.

[Urzon]

Judging by the banter inbetween the Carta dwarves in Legacy, Sandal might be a half-dwarf, though they couldn't remember if the mother was either elf or human. Not to mention on top of that, he could be the bastard son of an Aeduncan that was lost in the Deep Roads.

Which lines up with the story on how Bodan found him.

[TEWR]

Maclimes wrote...

Dwarves normally can't be mages, because Dwarves don't connect to the Fade. (This is also why they don't dream).

However, Sandal is not the first Dwarf to be talented with enchantments. The act of imbuing magic into physical objects is apparently a knack that many Dwarves possess, though they cannot directly practice magic themselves. (Perhaps it is safer, since they are less likely to be affected by the magic itself?)

Dwarves do dream if I remember a certain dev post right. Just not in the Fade. Their dreams are the same as our dreams. Plus, Oghren had a dream that isn't a Warden dream and he doesn't go to the Fade once he's a Warden -- as he is surprised to be in the Fade in Awakening once he's a Warden.

Also, the Primeval Thaig and the Nexus Golem point to the Dwarves having once been Mages.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 31 octobre 2012 - 09:24 .

[Urzon]

While dwarves can't be regular mages, i'v always wondered if they could be blood mages (or at least a weak one), since blood magic isn't tied to the Fade like regular spells. It's been on my mind since i'v read the rituals Shapers used to bind the hidden boss in Legacy

Foulness came from its touch, poison and filth and desecration. It threatened the Stone itself. The Shapers bound it. Chained in lyrium stained with the blood of a hundred warriors. But within the orb, it hungered, it waited.

They might not be able to use blood magic like we see human/elf blood mages do, but they can use blood to power or improve lyrium based rituals.

Modifié par Urzon, 31 octobre 2012 - 09:58 .

[ledod]

Maclimes wrote...

Actually, I did some reading and research. Here's what I found regarding Sandal: He's not a mage.

David Gaider did an interview with Thedas UK over Skype in January (http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html). He was asked about Sandal and the Ogre, here's what was said:

TUK: Can you tell us what he did to the ogre that was apparently not enchantment, that he...what the hell did he do?

DG: He went "Boom!" Sandal makes things, Sandal makes really cool things, sometimes he puts them in his pockets and forgets about them until there's an ogre handy.

In short, it wasn't a magic spell or anything he cast. He literally MADE something previously, and used that. This just seems like a natural extension of the dwarven (and especially Sandal's) skill with working with magically-infused objects and materials.

I think we have to accept that Sandal is just an extremely talented dwarf, and not necessarily rule-breaking.

Apparently Sandal is the unsung paragon of his generation- it's a shame that psycho-dilfs, like Branka, get the regonition that Sandal deserves. Who thinks that Sandal can craft the first rune-golemn? 

[ledod]

double post, sry

Modifié par ledod, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:08 .

[ledod]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Dwarves normally can't be mages, because Dwarves don't connect to the Fade. (This is also why they don't dream).

However, Sandal is not the first Dwarf to be talented with enchantments. The act of imbuing magic into physical objects is apparently a knack that many Dwarves possess, though they cannot directly practice magic themselves. (Perhaps it is safer, since they are less likely to be affected by the magic itself?)

Dwarves do dream if I remember a certain dev post right. Just not in the Fade. Their dreams are the same as our dreams. Plus, Oghren had a dream that isn't a Warden dream and he doesn't go to the Fade once he's a Warden -- as he is surprised to be in the Fade in Awakening once he's a Warden.

Also, the Primeval Thaig and the Nexus Golem point to the Dwarves having once been Mages.

Or perhaps a civilization/race that no longers exists - I believe the Anvaars once had underground dwellings.

[Fredward]

Dwarves can't be mages because short people look stupid when doing magic.

[Terrorize69]

Who says Sandal is a Dwarf?

He "looks" like one sure, but looks can be deceiving, all we really know about his origins is he was found in the Dark Roads.

He could be a Darkspawn that came out different, an abomination to Darkspawn, who knows.

[Patchwork]

Did we get an explanation for the genlock mages in DOA?

Genlocks come from dwarf broodmothers.

[TEWR]

Ser Bard wrote...

Did we get an explanation for the genlock mages in DOA?

Genlocks come from dwarf broodmothers.

They use the Taint as a substitute for mana, IIRC. I think that's what DG said in the past.

ledod wrote...

I believe the Anvaars once had underground dwelling

Well, not quite. The Avvars once made use of underground areas to their own surface fortresses and were in a trading alliance with the Dwarves of Kal-Hirol.

They didn't live there, but they would make use of the underground areas for worshipping their gods, trading with the Dwarves, and sealing malevolent entities.

The codex entry on the PT says that an idol was retrieved from a scavenger that was clearly of Dwarven make, but did not resemble any of the Paragons on record.

Meaning that if they had to compare it to a list of known Paragons, then it was in the image of a Dwarf. 

This same codex tells us that it was sealed in the royal archives of Orzammar, which tells us that Orzammar rests near a Primeval Thaig as well. Because logically, no Dwarf would be able to go from Orzammar to Kirkwall and then back to Orzammar through the Deep Roads -- which was where the scavenger Dwarf was found, way out in the Deep Roads.

Further, DG I believe stated that the ruins are indeed Dwarven in origin. But I don't recall the actual thing he stated in the DAII campaign forums.