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[Kidd]

Gamemako wrote...

There are zero examples of a decent herosexual romance anywhere ever, but there are good examples of awful ones (like DA2's). There is a very simple reason for this: You cannot write around sex when the meaning of the encounter is sex. You are writing around the sexual character of a person in a sexual situation.

Do you mean that women and men by nature show affection in different ways from each other, and thus herosexual NPCs create odd dialogues? That sounds pretty sexist. Or is this about wanting more graphic sex scenes and feeling frustrated over how the two sexes obviously have a bit of different equipment, which opens different options in bedroom gymnastics that are not shown in animation?

I'm having issues seeing how it is anything but those two, but I'd like you to specify.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then you are by definition not a normal human being. 
Have a nice day.

How wonderfully sweet of you.

[NomadDC]

I'd think companion romances - is right enough. Just don't continue this way: DAO - some are bi, some hetero, DA2 - everyone is bi... in DA3 everyone will be gay than?


Just make it as it was in DAO - most are normal, and some may be bi for special people.

And yes, I am homophobic, it's disgusting (be that m+m or w+w).

Modifié par NomadDC, 06 novembre 2012 - 04:22 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then you are by definition not a normal human being. 
Have a nice day.

How wonderfully sweet of you.

Being sweet is secondary to being honest.

I'm sorry if my bluntness offends you, but I don't see what's there to be offended about. Normality is overrated anyway.

[The Elder King]

NomadDC wrote...

I'd think companion romances - is right enough. Just don't continue this way: DAO - some are bi, some hetero, DA2 - everyone is bi... in DA3 everyone will be gay than?


Just make it as it was in DAO - most are normal, and some may be bi for special people.

And yes, I am homophobic, it's disgusting (be that m+m or w+w).

You know, I'm heterosexual, but this type of post makes me wish that Bioware will make DA3 with only homosexual romances.

[Gamemako]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I'm sorry if my bluntness offends you, but I don't see what's there to be offended about. Normality is overrated anyway.

I think this is an issue with the concept of "normal" in general. Heterosexuality is and will always be the vast majority -- all other will split the remainder of the pie. That is, by definition, the "norm". That does not mean that being a minority is in any way deficient, of course. However, the very word "abnormal" has a negative connotation in the English language. Thus, describing "normal" in this non-academic context is very much a losing argument. Instead, I suggest dropping the word altogether and using acceptance to describe social views and majority/minority to describe demographics.

Will address more later this evening.

//EDIT:

hhh89 wrote...

NomadDC wrote...

I'd think companion romances - is right enough. Just don't continue this way: DAO - some are bi, some hetero, DA2 - everyone is bi... in DA3 everyone will be gay than?


Just make it as it was in DAO - most are normal, and some may be bi for special people.

And yes, I am homophobic, it's disgusting (be that m+m or w+w).

You know, I'm heterosexual, but this type of post makes me wish that Bioware will make DA3 with only homosexual romances.

'Tis pitiable, really, but at least he's honest about it. Can't change an opinion people don't admit they have.

Modifié par Gamemako, 06 novembre 2012 - 05:11 .

[Battlebloodmage]

NomadDC wrote...

I'd think companion romances - is right enough. Just don't continue this way: DAO - some are bi, some hetero, DA2 - everyone is bi... in DA3 everyone will be gay than?


Just make it as it was in DAO - most are normal, and some may be bi for special people.

And yes, I am homophobic, it's disgusting (be that m+m or w+w).

I can never understand how a group of people who just live their life the way they want to, the way they were born to, without hurting anyone getting so much hatred. It just babbles me. <_< .

[esper]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

esper wrote...
And I am saying for others emoitional/intellectual attraction may be just as hard wired as sexual oritation if not more if you sexual oritation happens to be bi/pan.

Nope.
I talk about proven bilogical facts.

Emotional attraction is hardwired for me and other who falls in my specific sprectrum of sexuality.  is a requiriment for sexual attraction. I cannot feel sexual attraction unless I feel an emotional first.

Then you are by definition not a normal human being.
Have a nice day.

I am per definition grey-A . I know it must be hard for a sexual to understand, but that is your problem not mine. I am not alone to be hard wired that way, wherever you want to believe it or not.

My original point was that depending on where you stand on the sexual-asexual scale, some things may be just as hard wired as orientation for some person. And even if you are fully sexual some people will not stoop down to act or even acknowlegde and attraction that is there if something else doesn't agree with them. 

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then you are by definition not a normal human being. 
Have a nice day.

How wonderfully sweet of you.

Being sweet is secondary to being honest.

I'm sorry if my bluntness offends you, but I don't see what's there to be offended about. Normality is overrated anyway.

Tch, no person ever fit in to the norm on all aspects. So I am not offended in being called abnormal, but I must admit that posts like that come off as ignorant or intolerant, espically when finished off with a 'have a nice day' which come off as a bit sarcastic. If it is not meant so I apologize, but that is how it is.

I suppose it is like trying to explain coulor to a person born blind. I can say what the colour is, but the explanation are meaningless to a person who just doesn't function that way. 

Modifié par esper, 06 novembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[NomadDC]

I'm not asking to burn homosexual people with fire, I don't care about them and their preferences as far as they don't show off their unnatural relationships in public or they don't try inviting me in such kind of relationship. They can do whatever they want in private, it's their freedom.

What I mean - don't make homosexual romance options so obvious (example - Zevran) and don't make all characters bi. I can't imagine gay Alistair or Morrigan.

[The Elder King]

NomadDC wrote...

I'm not asking to burn homosexual people with fire, I don't care about them and their preferences as far as they don't show off their unnatural relationships in public or they don't try inviting me in such kind of relationship. They can do whatever they want in private, it's their freedom.

What I mean - don't make homosexual romance options so obvious (example - Zevran) and don't make all characters bi. I can't imagine gay Alistair or Morrigan.

Zevran isn't homosexual, he's bisexual. And I don't see what's the problem in seeing Zevran hit on men. He hit on women too. Regardless, I find more annoying Harkin with a femshep than Zevran with a male Warden.
I guess you wouldn't be fine with having 2 heterosexual LI, two homosexual LI, and two bisexaul LI, right?
I think this would be the perfect solution, in my opinion, though I think it wouldn't happen. I'll be fine with whatever system Bioware will implement in DA3, I don't care if it's DAO or DA2 (though I'd prefer in the latter they're bisexual rather than herosexual).
Edit: removed a snarky comment, since it'd be pointless.

Modifié par hhh89, 06 novembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[Xilizhra]

NomadDC wrote...

I'm not asking to burn homosexual people with fire, I don't care about them and their preferences as far as they don't show off their unnatural relationships in public or they don't try inviting me in such kind of relationship. They can do whatever they want in private, it's their freedom.

What I mean - don't make homosexual romance options so obvious (example - Zevran) and don't make all characters bi. I can't imagine gay Alistair or Morrigan.

You people are hilarious. We will continue to go out in public, rest assured, and are equally free there as we are in private. As are you. You don't see me asking men to never express affection towards women in public, do you?

Also, I can totally imagine Alistair or Morrigan being bisexual. It's not difficult at all.

[esper]

hhh89 wrote...

NomadDC wrote...

I'm not asking to burn homosexual people with fire, I don't care about them and their preferences as far as they don't show off their unnatural relationships in public or they don't try inviting me in such kind of relationship. They can do whatever they want in private, it's their freedom.

What I mean - don't make homosexual romance options so obvious (example - Zevran) and don't make all characters bi. I can't imagine gay Alistair or Morrigan.

Zevran isn't homosexual, he's bisexual. And I don't see what's the problem in seeing Zevran hit on men. He hit on women too. Regardless, I find more annoying Harkin with a femshep than Zevran with a male Warden.
I guess you wouldn't be fine with having 2 heterosexual LI, two homosexual LI, and two bisexaul LI, right?
I think this would be the perfect solution, in my opinion, though I think it wouldn't happen. I'll be fine with whatever system Bioware will implement in DA3, I don't care if it's DAO or DA2 (though I'd prefer in the latter they're bisexual rather than herosexual).
Edit: removed a snarky comment, since it'd be pointless.

Two of each orientation would be the best option of course, but resource wise I doubt bioware has the resources for it here in dragon age without spreading it as thin as the romances were in me2/3. Thus four bi is the best, most simpel solution solution.

[The Elder King]

esper wrote...

Two of each orientation would be the best option of course, but resource wise I doubt bioware has the resources for it here in dragon age without spreading it as thin as the romances were in me2/3. Thus four bi is the best, most simpel solution solution.

I know. I hope that in the future Bioware could have enough resources/time to do it without the cons of ME2.

Modifié par hhh89, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:07 .

[The Elder King]

Xilizhra wrote...

You people are hilarious. We will continue to go out in public, rest assured, and are equally free there as we are in private. As are you. You don't see me asking men to never express affection towards women in public, do you?

I was going to respond on that part of his post, but I think it's pointless. He said himself that he's homophobic. Best thing to do is ignore that parts of his post, in my opinion.
Though I'm not the subject of his post, so I'm not offended (I'm more disgusted about it).

Modifié par hhh89, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:11 .

[NomadDC]

Well, that's more of a personal. We're all human, we're all different. Personally I #don't like# when men try hitting on me, and I don't think someone can say I look like or possibly may be gay. Someone else wouldn't agree and state, that he does like when men try hitting on him, even if he's hetero, just because it proves how awesome he is. If you'll ask 10 people you will have 20 opinions. And yeah, Harkin is disgusting even being hetero.
I think that there should be some kind of controlling romance trigger. Not like it was in DAO - romance opportunity and dialogue appears when you get needed amount of standing and complete any required quests (if any needed), but not as in DA2 too - where there will be several options to initialize romance with dialogue option.
I guess there should be a number of options in dialogues that will add 1 point to some romance prereq value every time chosen and personal quests may amplify that value as well. That way you will never run into romance init dialogue with companion you don't intend to romance (let's say you just love making friends, and getting high standing is not equal to showing romance interest, alright?), and on the other hand, to get into relationship you will have to invest some time in companions personal affairs and to talk with that companion several times.

Other part is as I said we are all people and we are all different. It's normal if some party members will not be interested in ****** romance or even will disapprove it (again, we're all different, some are more tolerant, some are less), so characters should have their personalities and if you engage in any romance there will always be someone not happy/disapproving/offended/whatever. For example - in DAO Wynne will disapprove your romance with Leliana or Morrigan at first, later she will change her mind though. That way there may be party member who will disapprove gay romance, or party member who will disapprove any sort of romance, etc.

On homophobic part: I neither proud or ashamed of being homophobic, it's just how I feel about all this. I can deal with it by not paying attention/staying tolerant as far as it's civil (read - not trying to jump on top of me and scream "look at me everyone, I' ******!"). I have one friend who is actually ******, but he never shouts about it, he just keeps it to himself, because it's his personal business. We don't shout about our GFs on every opportunity, don't we? So he doesn't about his BF and relationship. He's fine person, and actually nobody cares about his orientation. Also he strongly disapproves those homosexual people who shout about their orientation and try to prove something to someone all the time.

Modifié par NomadDC, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[jlb524]

esper wrote...
Two of each orientation would be the best option of course, 

That would be a lot of LI characters, considering how many 'real life' orientations there are.

[esper]

jlb524 wrote...

esper wrote...
Two of each orientation would be the best option of course, 

That would be a lot of LI characters, considering how many 'real life' orientations there are.

Well, I was talking basic orientation in the way most people understand the word. I guess if we talked one of each possible orentiation, we only need one of each since some orientations, such as bi and pan are compatible with other orientations.

[Battlebloodmage]

NomadDC wrote...

I'm not asking to burn homosexual people with fire, I don't care about them and their preferences as far as they don't show off their unnatural relationships in public or they don't try inviting me in such kind of relationship. They can do whatever they want in private, it's their freedom.

What I mean - don't make homosexual romance options so obvious (example - Zevran) and don't make all characters bi. I can't imagine gay Alistair or Morrigan.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen. I live in America, and if heterosexual couples can show PDA then you can damn well bet that homosexual couples can as well. I'm sure you're such God's gift to women and every woman and man can't help but fall in love with you. As for your last part, I could say the same thing about you, please take your relationship in private as well, I don't want to see it either. 

[The Elder King]

NomadDC wrote...

Well, that's more of a personal. We're all human, we're all different. Personally I #don't like# when men try hitting on me, and I don't think someone can say I look like or possibly may be gay. Someone else wouldn't agree and state, that he does like when men try hitting on him, even if he's hetero, just because it proves how awesome he is. If you'll ask 10 people you will have 20 opinions. And yeah, Harkin is disgusting even being hetero.
I think that there should be some kind of controlling romance trigger. Not like it was in DAO - romance opportunity and dialogue appears when you get needed amount of standing and complete any required quests (if any needed), but not as in DA2 too - where there will be several options to initialize romance with dialogue option.
I guess there should be a number of options in dialogues that will add 1 point to some romance prereq value every time chosen and personal quests may amplify that value as well. That way you will never run into romance init dialogue with companion you don't intend to romance (let's say you just love making friends, and getting high standing is not equal to showing romance interest, alright?), and on the other hand, to get into relationship you will have to invest some time in companions personal affairs and to talk with that companion several times.

Other part is as I said we are all people and we are all different. It's normal if some party members will not be interested in ****** romance or even will disapprove it (again, we're all different, some are more tolerant, some are less), so characters should have their personalities and if you engage in any romance there will always be someone not happy/disapproving/offended/whatever. For example - in DAO Wynne will disapprove your romance with Leliana or Morrigan at first, later she will change her mind though. That way there may be party member who will disapprove gay romance, or party member who will disapprove any sort of romance, etc.

I agree on having more development in building a romance (DA2 was really bad on that) but I don't care if some random NPC or some companions hit on me.
About Wynne, she's against any relationship the Warden has, because she thought he should focus on the Blight.

On homophobic part: I neither proud or ashamed of being homophobic, it's just how I feel about all this. I can deal with it by not paying attention/staying tolerant as far as it's easy (read - not trying to jump on top of me and scream "look at me everyone, I' ******!"). As far as everything is civil I don't mind (though I'd never get involved in such thing).

You said you were against homosexuals showing affection in public. Showing affection in public is civil, unless it goes too far (like having sex), but I'm against it regarldess they're both male, female, or male and female.

[esper]

@NomadDC, I am pretty sure it has been stated that homophobia is not tolerance on these board. I can see you trying to be civil, but it does not mean that you aren't offending people. Also since you have admitted it is a phobia, then you must also understand that we have no reason to take it into account when discussing the relantionships, since a phobia is mostly nothing more than a irrational fear.

[NomadDC]

I just disapprove that part of homosexuals who try to make something more out of their orientation by making various stuff like showing off on purpose. That's true in both ways though - I disapprove ppl who show off their relationship (be that hetero, bi, or ******) in public as well.

@hhh89
exactly, you got it right, I went a bit away from topic though with my personal preferences, though I shouldn't have.
The thing I initially intended to talk about was better work on romances and way to prevent them from triggering (be that hetero or ******) from stuff that should not trigger them, like raising approval. In this case everyone will be happy, and there will be no point in discussing if that character is bi or ****** or hetero, you will never find unpleasant facts about your companions as far as you act naturally for yourself. If you act like hetero - you will not attract ****** romances, and same true for acting like ****** - you will not attract hetero romances and will attract ****** ones.

Edit:
Anyways I think I'd better leave this thread, as I don't intend to offend anyone, as that's not my purpose for being here. I decided to help improve DA3 and came to BSN to do so, not to discuss if being homosexual is bad or normal. I usually prefer to stay away from such sort of discussions. I'm sorry if I hurt someones feelings, I didn't intend to. Anyways, that's last post from me here, as I said.

Modifié par NomadDC, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Sylvianus]

@NomdadDC.

Please, go away with your homophobic feelings. Nobody cares, and it's not appropriate on this board. Give simply your preferences about the game, or shut up. There will be homosexual content whether you like it or not. If you can't deal with that, just leave.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[esper]

Eidt, never mind. Not worth it.

Modifié par esper, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[The Elder King]

esper wrote...

NomadDC wrote...

I just disapprove that part of homosexuals who try to make something more out of their orientation by making various stuff like showing off on purpose. That's true in both ways though - I disapprove ppl who show off their relationship (be that hetero, bi, or ******) in public as well.

Well that is a stereotype.

Zevran and Isabella were both happy about talking about sex, but that was it.

Merill and Fenris never shown their homosexual nor that heterosexuality part of their bisexuality off.

I think he was responding to my post, when I said that in one of his post he said he was against homosexual showing affection in public.

[Tinu]

NomadDC wrote...

I just disapprove that part of homosexuals who try to make something more out of their orientation by making various stuff like showing off on purpose. That's true in both ways though - I disapprove ppl who show off their relationship (be that hetero, bi, or ******) in public as well.

This is not why I joined the BSN. It's rude and out of place.  

[esper]

hhh89 wrote...

esper wrote...

NomadDC wrote...

I just disapprove that part of homosexuals who try to make something more out of their orientation by making various stuff like showing off on purpose. That's true in both ways though - I disapprove ppl who show off their relationship (be that hetero, bi, or ******) in public as well.

-

I think he was responding to my post, when I said that in one of his post he said he was against homosexual showing affection in public.

I know I edited my own post out. I think I will just start ignoring him now. Not worth discussing it with him.