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[sharkboy421]

General User wrote...

Arithmetic notwithstanding, I am legitimately interested to see if you have answer to my (semi)rhetorical question: (rephrased) if the player can't determine any given character's race, or religion, or personal history, or their pre-existing personality, etc., etc., why should the player be able to determine who any given character is attracted to?  What makes a character's sexual orientation worthy of special status and treatment?

First your avatar is awesome.  (It is Michael Weston right?)

For your question, because Bioware wants to have romances.  I realize that is a bad answer and you do bring up an interesting question.  But in DA2 all of the LI maintain their distinct personalities and histories regardless of who they romance.  Also their orientation is something that is never touched upon unless the player chooses to pursue a romance.  Except for Isabella but she is presented as being bisexual in "reality" so she is a different case.  Anders will be the same Anders whether it is male Hawke or Lady Hawke romancing him.  I guess to me to comes down to gameplay and player choice will trump realism.  

[Xilizhra]

In certain cases, rivalry is the only way you can show that your companion's way is wrong. For example, Merrill won't smash the mirror and Anders won't join you to fight the mages no matter what until you are on a rivalry path.

What a coincidence, both are horribly bad!

[Sylvianus]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

It's likely that there is around 4 LIs since they said they can't do straight, gay, and bi. For those who want "realism" in that area. Would you be okay with one gay and one bi option? People often don't care when things don't affect them personally. In DAO, the straight gamers can pretty much romance anyone they want while the gaymers only get one LI. It's not real life where if you don't like a particular person, you can look for someone else. In a game, the choices are very limited. If they could allow LIs for both gay and straight, then I would support the idea of "realism", I suppose.

I only care about characters being themself. I would prefer for example 4 Li written bisexual,a bit much too because no real diversity, but still better. I don't like this system where some preferences are left blank for reasons out story, that have nothing to do with it, just to please the players. Let's be clear, I would react the same, if the goal was to turn all our companions, like Aveline for example into Li, just to please the players regardless of who they are and what they want, for the sake of it. The same with Javik in Mass effect.

If there was only one gay option and one bi, that wouldn't be enough for me. But I suppose your point is if there was more Gay LI, than straight LI, right ? I wouldn't care. I don't need an equal number. ( while I understand why gay people want this as well ) I can be satisfied with diversity and romance that make sense to me. ( 2 gay, 1 straight, one Bi, I'd be okay for example ) Like I said, I don't need everyone in my bed, I can deal with character's preferences.

For example, I love Samantha, more than I expected, and I dealt with the fact she was lesbian despite I tried to see if It was still possible as maleshep lol. Obviously, no, it was impossible. But I wasn't mad at all. I loved how she rejected my maleshep with humor, so kind while it was a big no thrown to my face. That part pleased me a lot and I felt this character truly alive. I get that there are people who hate being rejected in a game, but I really can't understand why it's such a big deal. Maybe because they were rejected when they asked for a date to someone in real life ? Me too. So ?  Is it a good reason not to do that ? My brother died when i was a child, does that mean whe need to avoid brother's death in dragon age ?

People are who they are. This is just how things go. Now, this is just me, I don't know how other players think. The thought that the characters are left blank in this area is what bothers me most.

[Scott Sion]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

First rivalry is not a punishment. it is just a reaction. Second it required a particular type of playthrough to even achieve the rivalry response.

I think want most people really want is just a neutral way to respond IE "Anders i think you are a very nice person but i'm just not into you" would have been 100% better then "I don't want you thinking that way" which made me want to slap my Hawke. Maybe give the PC a chance to say there they are not it to the person of the same or opposite gender might cut down some of the hate. even though fundamentally rivalry is not a punishment it can and is viewed as the opposite of friendship and therefore is a negative thing. what most of the convos in DA2 need was just one more option, I wanted to tell Anders that even though i don't want to get in your pants I still value you as a person and I hope we can have a meaningful friendship. when give izzy the amulet thingy I wanted to say even though you may not love me I'll always love you so could you wear it in honor of my love or something along those lines. 

This

[Battlebloodmage]

Sylvianus wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

It's likely that there is around 4 LIs since they said they can't do straight, gay, and bi. For those who want "realism" in that area. Would you be okay with one gay and one bi option? People often don't care when things don't affect them personally. In DAO, the straight gamers can pretty much romance anyone they want while the gaymers only get one LI. It's not real life where if you don't like a particular person, you can look for someone else. In a game, the choices are very limited. If they could allow LIs for both gay and straight, then I would support the idea of "realism", I suppose.

I only care about characters being themself. I would prefer for example 4 Li written bisexual,a bit much too because no real diversity, but still better. I don't like this system where some preferences are left blank for reasons out story, that have nothing to do with it, just to please the players. Let's be clear, I would react the same, if the goal was to turn all our companions, like Aveline for example into Li, just to please the players regardless of who they are and what they want, for the sake of it. The same with Javik in Mass effect.

If there was only one gay option and one bi, that wouldn't be enough for me. But I suppose your point is if there was more Gay LI, than straight LI, right ? I wouldn't care. I don't need an equal number. ( while I understand why gay people want this as well ) I can be satisfied with diversity and romance that make sense to me. ( 2 gay, 1 straight, one Bi, I'd be okay for example ) Like I said, I don't need everyone in my bed, I can deal with character's preferences.

For example, I love Samantha, more than I expected, and I dealt with the fact she was lesbian despite I tried to see if It was still possible as maleshep lol. Obviously, no, it was impossible. But I wasn't mad at all. I loved how she rejected my maleshep with humor, so kind while it was a big no thrown to my face. That part pleased me a lot and I felt this character truly alive. I get that there are people who hate being rejected in a game, but I really can't understand why it's such a big deal. Maybe because they were rejected when they asked for a date to someone in real life ? Me too. So ?  Is it a good reason not to do that ? My brother died when i was a child, does that mean whe need to avoid brother's death in dragon age ?

People are who they are. This is just how things go. Now, this is just me, I don't know how other players think. The thought that the characters are left blank in this area is what bothers me most.

The reason why they ask for this is because they usually a lot less LIs in comparison to straight. If the straight gamers don't like Jack, they can have Miranda, if they don't like Miranda, move on to Ashley, or Kelly, or Liara, or Diana. I don't have the luxury of rejecting LIs because there's barely any. In DAO, you can only get Zevran, in ME, there wasn't even an option up until the third game in which you have a choice between Kaidan and Cortez. If I could have a larger selection, I wouldn't mind getting turned down or have the entire option gray out for me. I don't know if you can understand it, but straight gamers are the ones that developers have been catered to for years. I love Bioware because they allow you the choices to be whoever you want to be in a game. When you finally be able to be yourself in a video games, it was an awesome feeling. It's like I exist in the video game world. I'm not demanding to have every LIs swing my way, but I just want to at least have choices. At least giving me the illusion that I'm just as important as the next customer. Like I said, DA3 most likely only have 2 choices for each gender, and if they put sexuality in the game, who do you think will get the short end?

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:54 .

[TheFinalDoctor]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
The reason why they ask for this is because they usually a lot less LIs in comparison to straight. If the straight gamers don't like Jack, they can have Miranda, if they don't like Miranda, move on to Ashley, or Kelly, or Liara, or Diana. I don't have the luxury of rejecting LIs because there's barely any. In DAO, you can only get Zevran, in ME, there wasn't even an option up until the third game in which you have a choice between Kaidan and Cortez. If I could have a larger selection, I wouldn't mind getting turned down or have the entire option gray out for me. I don't know if you can understand it, but straight gamers are the ones that developers have been catered to for years. I love Bioware because they allow you the choices to be whoever you want to be in a game. When you finally be able to be yourself in a video games, it was an awesome feeling. It's like I exist in the video game world. I'm not demanding to have every LIs swing my way, but I just want to at least have choices. At least giving me the illusion that I'm just as important as the next customer. Like I said, DA3 most likely only have 2 choices for each gender, and if they put sexuality in the game, who do you think will get the short end?

If Bioware were to give us 5 or 6 LI with 1 gay 1 straight, and 1 bi. Do you think that would make the most people happy?

Modifié par TheFinalDoctor, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Quicksilver26]

I think people often forget we do not choose who we fall in love with love chooses us so there will always be people with vastly different outlooks on life but still find love with each other. love doesn't care what you look like what gender you are whether you're pro mage or pro templars whether you're bad or good because not only is Love is blind but it is also...
Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.

[EricHVela]

AKA nothing that can be remotely simulated in a video game so we'll just have to settle for pre-defined scripts.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Sylvianus]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

It's likely that there is around 4 LIs since they said they can't do straight, gay, and bi. For those who want "realism" in that area. Would you be okay with one gay and one bi option? People often don't care when things don't affect them personally. In DAO, the straight gamers can pretty much romance anyone they want while the gaymers only get one LI. It's not real life where if you don't like a particular person, you can look for someone else. In a game, the choices are very limited. If they could allow LIs for both gay and straight, then I would support the idea of "realism", I suppose.

I only care about characters being themself. I would prefer for example 4 Li written bisexual,a bit much too because no real diversity, but still better. I don't like this system where some preferences are left blank for reasons out story, that have nothing to do with it, just to please the players. Let's be clear, I would react the same, if the goal was to turn all our companions, like Aveline for example into Li, just to please the players regardless of who they are and what they want, for the sake of it. The same with Javik in Mass effect.

If there was only one gay option and one bi, that wouldn't be enough for me. But I suppose your point is if there was more Gay LI, than straight LI, right ? I wouldn't care. I don't need an equal number. ( while I understand why gay people want this as well ) I can be satisfied with diversity and romance that make sense to me. ( 2 gay, 1 straight, one Bi, I'd be okay for example ) Like I said, I don't need everyone in my bed, I can deal with character's preferences.

For example, I love Samantha, more than I expected, and I dealt with the fact she was lesbian despite I tried to see if It was still possible as maleshep lol. Obviously, no, it was impossible. But I wasn't mad at all. I loved how she rejected my maleshep with humor, so kind while it was a big no thrown to my face. That part pleased me a lot and I felt this character truly alive. I get that there are people who hate being rejected in a game, but I really can't understand why it's such a big deal. Maybe because they were rejected when they asked for a date to someone in real life ? Me too. So ?  Is it a good reason not to do that ? My brother died when i was a child, does that mean whe need to avoid brother's death in dragon age ?

People are who they are. This is just how things go. Now, this is just me, I don't know how other players think. The thought that the characters are left blank in this area is what bothers me most.

The reason why they ask for this is because they usually a lot less LIs in comparison to straight. If the straight gamers don't like Jack, they can have Miranda, if they don't like Miranda, move on to Ashley, or Kelly, or Liara, or Diana. I don't have the luxury of rejecting LIs because there's barely any. In DAO, you can only get Zevran, in ME, there wasn't even an option up until the third game in which you have a choice between Kaidan and Cortez. If I could have a larger selection, I wouldn't mind getting turned down or have the entire option gray out for me

. I don't know if you can understand it, but straight gamers are the ones that developers have been catered to for years. I love Bioware because they allow you the choices to be whoever you want to be in a game. When you finally be able to be yourself in a video games, it was an awesome feeling. It's like I exist in the video game world. I'm not demanding to have every LIs swing my way, but I just want to at least have choices. At least giving me the illusion that I'm just as important as the next customer. Like I said, DA3 most likely only have 2 choices for each gender, and if they put sexuality in the game, who do you think will get the short end?

I totally understand and I sympathize. And I get your point, but that isn't the main raison for many of these people while it could be yours.
 
From what I read for months, the main raison is that people simply don't want limits in their game, even if there could be an equal number of LI. I asked the question many times. Because it's more " fun ", because they want to choose whoever they want to choose, whether they were straight, bi or gay. That has a little to do with being able to choose. The issue for them is not to be able to get what wanted despite the characters's preferences.

And Franckly after Mass effect 3, and EA's response to angry people about gay people included, I don'tt think that Bioware / EA will give up its progessive way.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:29 .

[Xilizhra]

From what I read for months, the main raison is that that people simply don't want limits in their game, even if there could be an equal number of LI. Because it's more fun, because they want to choose whoever they want to choose, wether they were straight, bi or gay. That has a little to do with being able to choose. The issue for them is not to be able to get what wanted despite the characters's preferences.

The characters' preferences would never be a problem. They'd never be going against their own will.

[Sylvianus]

Xilizhra wrote...

From what I read for months, the main raison is that that people simply don't want limits in their game, even if there could be an equal number of LI. Because it's more fun, because they want to choose whoever they want to choose, wether they were straight, bi or gay. That has a little to do with being able to choose. The issue for them is not to be able to get what wanted despite the characters's preferences.

The characters' preferences would never be a problem. They'd never be going against their own will.

Yes, it is, the idea is precisely that it is not a problem by nihilating any point of view, any preference, to the detriment of their own will, like magic on their mind, left blank to get what the player wants. Normally a character has a set personality, and in this area it wouldn't be respected to please the player.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:33 .

[Nashiktal]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

In certain cases, rivalry is the only way you can show that your companion's way is wrong. For example, Merrill won't smash the mirror and Anders won't join you to fight the mages no matter what until you are on a rivalry path. Red is not always bad, health potions are always red, isn't it? . The color red tends to make people more aggressive, so it's a given that they tend to be associated with negative things. There are many reinforced ideas in our society about the color red being bad, so it would be okay if they change it to other colors like green. Who doesn't like green?

I never mentioned anything about rivalry contentwise. I agree fully that the rivalry path can be a fulfilling story experience, and in some cases much better than the friendship path.

However red is associated as a bad thing. Just look at your example. Health potions are indeed red. As are healthbars. Healthbars being something you must constantly moniter or you lose the game. When you are low on health, there is usually a red indicator of some sort in most games pointing you out that you are about to lose.

Its not just the color though. The game DA2 never teaches us about the rivalry and friendship paths that I am aware of. As such we have to draw upon our experience of past games, whether they are bioware games (with an approve dissprove system, paragon and renegade mass effect, open palm and closed fist, light side, dark side, etc.) and other games with such a system.

Bioware did something new and (imo) delightful with the friendship/rivalry. Its just we as players, and they as designers are charting new territory and as such might be overly reliant on past games when there really isn't that much in the past to drawn upon.

[Quicksilver26]

Sylvianus wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

It's likely that there is around 4 LIs since they said they can't do straight, gay, and bi. For those who want "realism" in that area. Would you be okay with one gay and one bi option? People often don't care when things don't affect them personally. In DAO, the straight gamers can pretty much romance anyone they want while the gaymers only get one LI. It's not real life where if you don't like a particular person, you can look for someone else. In a game, the choices are very limited. If they could allow LIs for both gay and straight, then I would support the idea of "realism", I suppose.

I only care about characters being themself. I would prefer for example 4 Li written bisexual,a bit much too because no real diversity, but still better. I don't like this system where some preferences are left blank for reasons out story, that have nothing to do with it, just to please the players. Let's be clear, I would react the same, if the goal was to turn all our companions, like Aveline for example into Li, just to please the players regardless of who they are and what they want, for the sake of it. The same with Javik in Mass effect.

If there was only one gay option and one bi, that wouldn't be enough for me. But I suppose your point is if there was more Gay LI, than straight LI, right ? I wouldn't care. I don't need an equal number. ( while I understand why gay people want this as well ) I can be satisfied with diversity and romance that make sense to me. ( 2 gay, 1 straight, one Bi, I'd be okay for example ) Like I said, I don't need everyone in my bed, I can deal with character's preferences.

For example, I love Samantha, more than I expected, and I dealt with the fact she was lesbian despite I tried to see if It was still possible as maleshep lol. Obviously, no, it was impossible. But I wasn't mad at all. I loved how she rejected my maleshep with humor, so kind while it was a big no thrown to my face. That part pleased me a lot and I felt this character truly alive. I get that there are people who hate being rejected in a game, but I really can't understand why it's such a big deal. Maybe because they were rejected when they asked for a date to someone in real life ? Me too. So ?  Is it a good reason not to do that ? My brother died when i was a child, does that mean whe need to avoid brother's death in dragon age ?

People are who they are. This is just how things go. Now, this is just me, I don't know how other players think. The thought that the characters are left blank in this area is what bothers me most.

so how is it that sam was the only LI that wasn't indicated to be  "bi" or straight could be hit on by manshep? why as femshep could i not hit on mandy, jack or tali (by the way tali so totally came on to femshep and the only reason that a romance didn't happen there was femshep never get an option to accept the come on) why as a woman was I never able to tell morrigan that I didn't want to be like her sister that i wanted to be her lover. why couldn't I come on to alister when playing a man and have him tell me he is not it to men. how is it even remotely ok that the only time there is a gay woman that the very first thing they do is allow a man to come on to her and it's just kind of a big joke? at every other point the only thing the gender block does is denie convos that should have been it there. if they want down the route you'll seem to want them to I get denied content that i should have access to. I payed the same amount of money as the rest of you i do not want to get less out of my game just because of the gender and sexual orientation that I chose to play as. 
SO MY POINT AND I DO HAVE ONE IS my options matter as much as the rest of you if it is not in there then I do not get to romance the one person that i like. if it bugs you, you do NOT have to play it the bi way but if it is not in there I never get to play it and I wasted my money on something that could have been amazing but fell short simply because of making it more "realistic" ( god i'm starting to really hate that word) to other people 

(ps: I am very sorry for my rant)

[Sylvianus]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

so how is it that sam was the only LI that wasn't indicated to be  "bi" or straight could be hit on by manshep? why as femshep could i not hit on mandy, jack or tali (by the way tali so totally came on to femshep and the only reason that a romance didn't happen there was femshep never get an option to accept the come on) why as a woman was I never able to tell morrigan that I didn't want to be like her sister that i wanted to be her lover. why couldn't I come on to alister when playing a man and have him tell me he is not it to men. how is it even remotely ok that the only time there is a gay woman that the very first thing they do is allow a man to come on to her and it's just kind of a big joke? at every other point the only thing the gender block does is denie convos that should have been it there. if they want down the route you'll seem to want them to I get denied content that i should have access to. I payed the same amount of money as the rest of you i do not want to get less out of my game just because of the gender and sexual orientation that I chose to play as. 
SO MY POINT AND I DO HAVE ONE IS my options matter as much as the rest of you if it is not in there then I do not get to romance the one person that i like. if it bugs you, you do NOT have to play it the bi way but if it is not in there I never get to play it and I wasted my money on something that could have been amazing but fell short simply because of making it more "realistic" ( god i'm starting to really hate that word) to other people 

(ps: I am very sorry for my rant)

I'am sorry too, because I'm totally confused.... Don't even know what to answer... If it was just a rant against the past, okay, if there was a point, I Probably missed it.

First we are talking about the future. A future where Bioware does take into account the LGBT community, thank you not to forget that. What does that mean ? That means that the times where EA was afraid of showing homosexual content is over. And this is DA team, not mass effect team. You have already seen posts of David Gaider, so you must be probably confident.  Also, we would have the same treatment, we would have both to deal with characters's preferences, so maybe romance content denied but because that's the way characters are. Deal with it. I don't see any issue there. Why I should ?

  Also,That has nothing to with " why my choice doesn't count as much as the rest of you. " I don't get what's your point here.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:59 .

[Thrillian]

I cannot think of a single honest reason that anyone would want to limit a player's choice in regards to LIs in DA games. I don't understand how it could have any effect on your personal game whatsoever. With the exception of Anders and Isabela, none of the LI's sexual preferences ever come up unless you, the player, pursue a romance with them.

None of the character's personalities change regardless of Hawke's sex. Regardless of whether Hawke is male or female; Fenris still hates mages/slavery, Anders still wants to free mages and blows up the chantry, Isabela is still free-spirited and unapologetic of her sexuality, Merril is still an awkward Dalish desperate to regain her clan's lost heritage (or however you might interpret the characters). The point is that their personalities are not subject to their sexual preferences.

For the record, I have never played an S/S romance but if I wanted to, I would hate to be restricted based on that preference. In DAO for example, once I learned that Alistair was a hetero only romance option, it bothered me that perhaps some people out there would have liked to enjoy his romance as I did but were unable to because they were male.

So if by making the love interests all bi (which they aren't by the way, but I'm not getting into that argument), it makes every person who plays the game get an equal amount of choice and content, I am all for it.

[General User]

sharkboy421 wrote...

General User wrote...

Arithmetic notwithstanding, I am legitimately interested to see if you have answer to my (semi)rhetorical question: (rephrased) if the player can't determine any given character's race, or religion, or personal history, or their pre-existing personality, etc., etc., why should the player be able to determine who any given character is attracted to?  What makes a character's sexual orientation worthy of special status and treatment?

First your avatar is awesome.  (It is Michael Weston right?)

Thank you.  It is indeed.

For your question, because Bioware wants to have romances.  I realize that is a bad answer and you do bring up an interesting question.  But in DA2 all of the LI maintain their distinct personalities and histories regardless of who they romance.  Also their orientation is something that is never touched upon unless the player chooses to pursue a romance.  Except for Isabella but she is presented as being bisexual in "reality" so she is a different case.  Anders will be the same Anders whether it is male Hawke or Lady Hawke romancing him.

I don't think that's a bad answer at all.  Especially since I think it's very true.

It is also very true that the LI's have their own distinct personalities, histories, etc. regardless of whether the player does that romance or not.  My whole thing is, given that that's the case, I can't see any reason why sexual orientation should not be among those distinct aspects which a given character maintains.  Other than the obvious marketing and public/fan relations angles.

I guess to me to comes down to gameplay and player choice will trump realism.

The way I see it, "player choice" and "realism" only really come into serious conflict when taken to extremes.  The obvious sensible middle ground, again as I see it, would be that the player should expect to have choice/input/influence/and so forth pretty much on those aspects that a person could reasonably be expected to have such things on in a similar situation.

Modifié par General User, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:34 .

[Quicksilver26]

Sylvianus wrote...

Quicksilver26 wrote...

so how is it that sam was the only LI that wasn't indicated to be  "bi" or straight could be hit on by manshep? why as femshep could i not hit on mandy, jack or tali (by the way tali so totally came on to femshep and the only reason that a romance didn't happen there was femshep never get an option to accept the come on) why as a woman was I never able to tell morrigan that I didn't want to be like her sister that i wanted to be her lover. why couldn't I come on to alister when playing a man and have him tell me he is not it to men. how is it even remotely ok that the only time there is a gay woman that the very first thing they do is allow a man to come on to her and it's just kind of a big joke? at every other point the only thing the gender block does is denie convos that should have been it there. if they want down the route you'll seem to want them to I get denied content that i should have access to. I payed the same amount of money as the rest of you i do not want to get less out of my game just because of the gender and sexual orientation that I chose to play as. 
SO MY POINT AND I DO HAVE ONE IS my options matter as much as the rest of you if it is not in there then I do not get to romance the one person that i like. if it bugs you, you do NOT have to play it the bi way but if it is not in there I never get to play it and I wasted my money on something that could have been amazing but fell short simply because of making it more "realistic" ( god i'm starting to really hate that word) to other people 

(ps: I am very sorry for my rant)

I'am sorry too, because I'm totally confused.... Don't even know what to answer... If it was just a rant against the past, okay, if there was a point, I Probably missed it.

First we are talking about the future. A future where Bioware does take into account the LGBT community, thank you not to forget that. What does that mean ? That means that the times where EA was afraid of showing homosexual content is over. And this is DA team, not mass effect team. You have already seen posts of David Gaider, so you must be probably confident.  Also, we would have the same treatment, we would have both to deal with characters's preferences, so maybe romance content denied but because that's the way characters are. Deal with it. I don't see any issue there. Why I should ?

 Also,That has nothing to with " why my choice doesn't count as much as the rest of you. " I don't get what's your point here.

no it wasn't just about the past nor was it just about ME. and I didn't say my choices I said my options there is a slight difference in the two words. So in the future I would still like the option to romance who I like and not to have it dictated to me who I can and can not romance do to my gender. I should not have to "Deal with" having others tell me I can not romance someone because they think that only people with certain personalities are gay. We come in all shapes sizes and personalities. We do not always bring up the fact that we are gay or bi but that doesn't make us less so. It is just a fantasy game it is not meant to be reflective of real life. I want to romance who I find to be loveable and I don't want anyone telling me that I can not do so. Once again if you do not want to romance someone will playing the same gender  you do not have to. but if it is NOT in the game I do not have access to something that sould be in there! 

Modifié par Quicksilver26, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Seboist]

The "case" against "realistic love interests" is that a lot here want simple juvenile sexual wish fulfillment.

[Quicksilver26]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

I cannot think of a single honest reason that anyone would want to limit a player's choice in regards to LIs in DA games. I don't understand how it could have any effect on your personal game whatsoever. With the exception of Anders and Isabela, none of the LI's sexual preferences ever come up unless you, the player, pursue a romance with them.

None of the character's personalities change regardless of Hawke's sex. Regardless of whether Hawke is male or female; Fenris still hates mages/slavery, Anders still wants to free mages and blows up the chantry, Isabela is still free-spirited and unapologetic of her sexuality, Merril is still an awkward Dalish desperate to regain her clan's lost heritage (or however you might interpret the characters). The point is that their personalities are not subject to their sexual preferences.

For the record, I have never played an S/S romance but if I wanted to, I would hate to be restricted based on that preference. In DAO for example, once I learned that Alistair was a hetero only romance option, it bothered me that perhaps some people out there would have liked to enjoy his romance as I did but were unable to because they were male.

So if by making the love interests all bi (which they aren't by the way, but I'm not getting into that argument), it makes every person who plays the game get an equal amount of choice and content, I am all for it.

 

Thank you very much +100:wizard: you are now my fave person of the day!

[Xilizhra]

It is also very true that the LI's have their own distinct personalities, histories, etc. regardless of whether the player does that romance or not. My whole thing is, given that that's the case, I can't see any reason why should sexual orientation should not be among those distinct aspects which a given character maintains. Other than the obvious marketing and public/fan relations angles.

Did you not see my post on the subject?

The "case" against "realistic
love interests" is that a lot here want simple juvenile sexual wish
fulfillment.

Ah, yes. As we must always be aware, you can always spot the non-juvenile people by the way they spitefully heckle others without actually contributing anything that could be viewed as constructive.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:51 .

[Maria Caliban]

My juvenile sexual wish fulfillment is much more interesting, sophisticated, and intelligent than many people's deep, philosophical musings.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Firky]

Remember in Baldur's Gate II, how none of the romances happened if you were a ... spoiler race? (I can't even spoil really old games.)

(Just saying. I don't have a problem with everyone romancing everyone, in particular. But I do quite like distinctions based on class/race too. Probably not romance so much.)

[Solmanian]

So you want your LI to be more racist and prejudiced?
Also when you say light-skinned, you mean white? Or people whose skin is made of light:

?

[Thrillian]

Maria Caliban wrote...

My juvenile sexual wish fulfillment is much more interesting, sophisticated, and intelligent than many people's deep, philosophical musings.

You know what, I really like this.   Regardless of any individual player's choices, I would like for their choices to matter in their particular playthrough.  If I want to make different choices, I want them to matter in MY playthrough.

[Reofeir]

I just honestly think that it's odd that there are not many characters that are just simply not interested in you. I honestly wouldn't mind if there was Bi curious people you can convince them to try out the same sex and end up liking it. I just think there should be some balance in it or it should at least fit the character. If he has been straight, and only showed interest in girls, he should be straight. If he likes looking at both men and women, he's bi and so on. I don't want to see "I've been only looking at girls and I have no interest in guys but I'll date you anyways."
Seems...off to me.