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[Thrillian]

Zenor wrote...

I don't want to see "I've been only looking at girls and I have no interest in guys but I'll date you anyways."
Seems...off to me.

I have yet to see that in any single playthrough of any Bioware game.

[Scott Sion]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Zenor wrote...

I don't want to see "I've been only looking at girls and I have no interest in guys but I'll date you anyways."
Seems...off to me.

I have yet to see that in any single playthrough of any Bioware game.

Ander showned an interest in men early on in the game. He was in a relationship with Karl, the mage that he met at the Chantry in act 1.

[Quicksilver26]

Zenor wrote...

I just honestly think that it's odd that there are not many characters that are just simply not interested in you. I honestly wouldn't mind if there was Bi curious people you can convince them to try out the same sex and end up liking it. I just think there should be some balance in it or it should at least fit the character. If he has been straight, and only showed interest in girls, he should be straight. If he likes looking at both men and women, he's bi and so on. I don't want to see "I've been only looking at girls and I have no interest in guys but I'll date you anyways."
Seems...off to me.

I highly recommend you (not just this poster but all of you who think that what happed in DA2 was odd) watch the first couple of episodes of The L Word (NOTE: you may want to skip over the sex scenes though) 

[Dhiro]

Isn't Sky from Jade Empire a case of "If It's You, It's Okay" played very much straight (pun intended)?

[mesmerizedish]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

I highly recommend you (not just this poster but all of you who think that what happed in DA2 was odd) watch the first couple of episodes of The L Word (NOTE: you may want to skip over the sex scenes though) 

Why on earth would anyone want to skip the sex scenes in The L Word?

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:15 .

[Dhiro]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Quicksilver26 wrote...

I highly recommend you (not just this poster but all of you who think that what happed in DA2 was odd) watch the first couple of episodes of The L Word (NOTE: you may want to skip over the sex scenes though) 

Why on earth would anyone want to skip the sex scenes in The L Word?

No Enya, no sex. Sorry.

[Xilizhra]

If someone is an alcoholic, who's lost their family, friends, and become a shut-in, you might get "rivalry" points and even upset them by telling them you won't help them get more alcohol and even telling them you think they should stop, but it doesn't mean you don't love them. If anything, I'd say blindly pleasing and indulging someone just to be called their super best friend and get in their pants is the truly harmful, selfish path.

This would only apply if any of the friendship paths are objectively harmful, which they're not. IT's a matter of what your priorities are.

[Thrillian]

plnero wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Zenor wrote...

I don't want to see "I've been only looking at girls and I have no interest in guys but I'll date you anyways."
Seems...off to me.

I have yet to see that in any single playthrough of any Bioware game.

Ander showned an interest in men early on in the game. He was in a relationship with Karl, the mage that he met at the Chantry in act 1.

Only if you play as a male.  If you play as a female Hawke, Anders does not refer to Karl as his first.  If I had played the game as female and female only, I never would have had any inclination that there was a sexual relasionship between Anders and Karl.

Modifié par Thrillho_82, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:27 .

[Dhiro]

Rojahar wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

plnero wrote...

I don't mind men hitting on me; I can't help it if they're attracted to my good looks and colorful personality. I just don't want them to get pissed at me when I tell them I prefer the ladies.

That was another problem I had with DA2. You turn down someone you aren't interested in and you receive rivalry points. Why should I be punished for not pursuing a gay romance? The same could be said for people who do role play a gay character. They are punished for turning down a member of the opposite sex.

First rivalry is not a punishment. it is just a reaction. Second it required a particular type of playthrough to even achieve the rivalry response.

Exactly. There's nothing innately wrong with rivalry. It just means you have a difference of ideology with a character. You can still love and be friends with someone who has a dramatically different ideology than you.

If someone is an alcoholic, who's lost their family, friends, and become a shut-in, you might get "rivalry" points and even upset them by telling them you won't help them get more alcohol and even telling them you think they should stop, but it doesn't mean you don't love them. If anything, I'd say blindly pleasing and indulging someone just to be called their super best friend and get in their pants is the truly harmful, selfish path.

I felt that this was very well done with Merrill. Her rivalry path was about showing her that blood magic corrupts and that her obsession for the Eluvian may one day become her downfall. I really like how Mary Kirby handled this particular quest chain.

[the_one_54321]

maclimes wrote...
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Well said. I agree with pretty much everything but draw the opposite conclusion. Make characters like what you described. Fenris hates mages, etc. Build your character and experience the consequences of the character being whom s/he is.

[The Night Haunter]

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model. Restrictions by class/Race/Skin-Tone would be awful. But restrictions by alignments (Pro-Imperial, Pro-Mage, Andrastrian, Pro-Rebel) would be cool if added in limited numbers.

Also, non-party member Romances. Why does Hakwe/Warden only like the people from the band of merry misfits they travel with. My mercenary Hawke wants to marry a random rich noble heiress to gain legitimacy for his claim to the Viscouncy.

[Maria Caliban]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model.

It's part of the ME 3 teams model. The same team that said Liara/FemShep weren't really a same-gender romance, and who didn't have any same-gender romances for men the first two game.

DA team != ME team, even if they both like dialogue wheels.

[WhiteThunder]

Rojahar wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model. Restrictions by class/Race/Skin-Tone would be awful.

Why is restriction based on gender OK, but not other features? You can't play the "Well, not everyone is bisexual IRL." card, but then be OK with everyone being attracted to anyone who just happens to be the same sexual orientation - because THAT's realistic?

Are you arguing that a person's "type" is just as hardwired as their sexuality?  Are you really arguing that?

[Scott Sion]

Rojahar wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model. Restrictions by class/Race/Skin-Tone would be awful.

Why is restriction based on gender OK, but not other features? You can't play the "Well, not everyone is bisexual IRL." card, but then be OK with everyone being attracted to anyone who just happens to be the same sexual orientation - because THAT's realistic?

It feels realistic to me, I'm so awesome that even the straight guys hit on me.

[Harle Cerulean]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model. Restrictions by class/Race/Skin-Tone would be awful.

Why is restriction based on gender OK, but not other features? You can't play the "Well, not everyone is bisexual IRL." card, but then be OK with everyone being attracted to anyone who just happens to be the same sexual orientation - because THAT's realistic?

Are you arguing that a person's "type" is just as hardwired as their sexuality?  Are you really arguing that?

The argument is that if sexual orientation is the only restriction, the restriction is pointless.  If a character cares about nothing but your PC's sex, any claims to the 'realism' argument go right out the window.

[The Night Haunter]

Rojahar wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model. Restrictions by class/Race/Skin-Tone would be awful.

Why is restriction based on gender OK, but not other features? You can't play the "Well, not everyone is bisexual IRL." card, but then be OK with everyone being attracted to anyone who just happens to be the same sexual orientation - because THAT's realistic?

I didn't play any card. I never advocated realism. I am advocating a potentially unreal and rather coincidental team/support line up that includes characters that are attracted to both genders (say 1 or 2 of each gender), characters that are only attracted to a single gender (1 same-sex only and 1 heterosexual per gender).

Realism concerns me not at all in this apsect.

[Battlebloodmage]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model.

It's part of the ME 3 teams model. The same team that said Liara/FemShep weren't really a same-gender romance, and who didn't have any same-gender romances for men the first two game.

DA team != ME team, even if they both like dialogue wheels.

I don't think ME team would have added the sex-gender romance if it wasn't for precedence set by DA team. I think ME team makes game with straight males in mind only, can't explain the Miranda's ass otherwise. lol. I guess ME did introduce gay LI to the mainstream. I would like to have one in DA , but as they said, there just isn't enough resources for that, so hero-sexual is the way to go for the next game.

[The Night Haunter]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model.

It's part of the ME 3 teams model. The same team that said Liara/FemShep weren't really a same-gender romance, and who didn't have any same-gender romances for men the first two game.

DA team != ME team, even if they both like dialogue wheels.

Doesn't mean I can't hope they both decide the relationship with a support character (who isnt a companion) is a good idea. Plus the relationship lineup I mentioned elsewhere.

[WhiteThunder]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model.

It's part of the ME 3 teams model. The same team that said Liara/FemShep weren't really a same-gender romance, and who didn't have any same-gender romances for men the first two game.

DA team != ME team, even if they both like dialogue wheels.

I don't think ME team would have added the sex-gender romance if it wasn't for precedence set by DA team. I think ME team makes game with straight males in mind only, can't explain the Miranda's ass otherwise. lol. I guess ME did introduce gay LI to the mainstream. I would like to have one in DA , but as they said, there just isn't enough resources for that, so hero-sexual is the way to go for the next game.

Why the heck shouldn't there be a gay or lesbian LI in DA3?  I don't see how not writing and voicing an opposite sex romance consumes resources, either.

[Lenimph]

Maclimes wrote...
Perhaps Leliana only likes people who are loyal Andrastians, regardless of race or gender.

Did you ever even actually talk to Leliana OP?

Edit: OR ALISTAIR FOR THAT MATTER 

Modifié par Lenimph, 30 octobre 2012 - 07:09 .

[Battlebloodmage]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model.

It's part of the ME 3 teams model. The same team that said Liara/FemShep weren't really a same-gender romance, and who didn't have any same-gender romances for men the first two game.

DA team != ME team, even if they both like dialogue wheels.

I don't think ME team would have added the sex-gender romance if it wasn't for precedence set by DA team. I think ME team makes game with straight males in mind only, can't explain the Miranda's ass otherwise. lol. I guess ME did introduce gay LI to the mainstream. I would like to have one in DA , but as they said, there just isn't enough resources for that, so hero-sexual is the way to go for the next game.

Why the heck shouldn't there be a gay or lesbian LI in DA3?  I don't see how not writing and voicing an opposite sex romance consumes resources, either.

Hero-sexual, not heterosexual...

[Han Shot First]

Rojahar wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The only thing I really think should be improved in terms of romance options is to have Straight only and Gay only options. Which, if ME3 is any indication, is already part of their model. Restrictions by class/Race/Skin-Tone would be awful.

Why is restriction based on gender OK, but not other features? You can't play the "Well, not everyone is bisexual IRL." card, but then be OK with everyone being attracted to anyone who just happens to be the same sexual orientation - because THAT's realistic?

I would limit it by both sex and morality. A 'good' LI should not be interested in an 'evil' PC and vice versa. Likewise exclusively straight characters should be unavailable to the same sex, while exlusively gay characters should be unavailable to the opposite.