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[Josielyn]

Is it just me, or did anyone else notice the scarcity of children in DA2?  Will some attention be paid to this little detail in DA3?  It just seemed very unnerving to me that there weren't more kids running around in Kirkwall in the daytime.  There weren't any Dalish children in Sundermount either. And what does a Dwarven child look like nowadays?  In DAO they were part of families, or there were some quests related to helping them, but I can only remember 1 or 2 in DA2 (smuggler's quest).    Maybe Morrigan's Old God Baby will be the 1 child that we do see in DA3?  How about Alistair and Anora having a child? 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

There was barely anyone in Kirkwall.

"There's no more room" ----- What a joke. Bioware is just lazy.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:17 .

[Josielyn]

I just didn't know if it was a resource issue, or because some people play RPGs to "escape" from the children. Or, maybe it is hard to find a child voice actor? Or.... maybe the Darkspawn ate all the babies during the Blight?

[Emzamination]

I hated children in origins, glad they didn't make a return in Da2. I still harbor cold feelings against those invincible mage children that vanished into thin air in circle tower the second I stated I would kill every mage in said tower.

Talk about immersion breaking...

Modifié par Emzamination, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:47 .

[Shadow Fox]

Emzamination wrote...

I hated children in origins, glad they didn't make a return in Da2. I still harbor cold feelings against those invincible mage children that vanished into thin air in circle tower the second I stated I would kill every mage in said tower.

Talk about immersion breaking...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

[Josielyn]

What is funny is I just noticed another thread called "Reproduction" that kind of relates to this. Maybe the Blight rendered everyone infertile? Something in the water?

[Emzamination]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I hated children in origins, glad they didn't make a return in Da2. I still harbor cold feelings against those invincible mage children that vanished into thin air in circle tower the second I stated I would kill every mage in said tower.

Talk about immersion breaking...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

Lol, it's not something I desire just for the fun of it but them getting away always made me feel I left the job (cleansing the tower) half done.

Modifié par Emzamination, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Josielyn]

Don't feel too bad, my first playthrough I chose to have Connor killed (he was possessed by a DEMON for crying out loud). But I helped all the rest of the kids, poor little innocents!

[Eveangaline]

Emzamination wrote...

I hated children in origins, glad they didn't make a return in Da2. I still harbor cold feelings against those invincible mage children that vanished into thin air in circle tower the second I stated I would kill every mage in said tower.

Talk about immersion breaking...

The templars got them first, clearly. They obviously want to leave the actually dangerous people to you

[Challseus]

As a user of the toolset, let me tell you, only have 2 children models (1 boy, 1 girl), and like 5-6 face morphs is hella annoying. If I could at least change their clothing, I would have been fine with that...

[Josielyn]

Ok. So between templars, darkspawn, and slavers, we have come up with a viable explanation for the lack of "ambient children", right? I just can't get the Orphanage quest in DAO out of my head. Gives me the chills.

[Volus Warlord]

If there were children in the game, Isabella would've popped out a small army by now.

[EricHVela]

It comes down to a question of development effort versus payoff.

I feel confident to say that, to many of us, it is worth it. Yet, that's just our side of things.

[Gamemako]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

I genuinely want to kill digital children. Call me a bad person, but being a monstrous mass murderer/tyrant/whatever is OK, but killing a kid isn't? I modded my Fallout 3 to make kids non-essential (i.e. killable). They're just digital creations like everything else. For the occasions where I act (exceedingly) violently in a video game, I don't need someone reminding me that it's OK to murder adults but not children. It's not OK to do either (and I reject the idea that killing children is so much worse than killing adults, but that's not relevant to this topic). I'm dicking around in a video game because it's a video game. I am acting in direct opposition to normal morality. Dragging me back from the fantastic absurdity of murdering entire towns full of people on a whim by finger-wagging at me for shooting the kid too is a little silly.

Modifié par Gamemako, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[Josielyn]

Heh Heh, Isabella's little pirates! Seriously, there was no Orphanage in DA2 either. Maybe all the children were caravanned out to Orlais to wait until the blight was over.

[Shadow Fox]

Gamemako wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

I genuinely want to kill digital children. Call me a bad person, but being a monstrous mass murderer/rapist/tyrant/whatever is OK, but killing a kid isn't? I modded my Fallout 3 to make kids non-essential (i.e. killable). They're just digital creations like everything else. For the occasions where I act (exceedingly) violently in a video game, I don't need someone reminding me that it's OK to murder adults but not children. It's not OK to do either (and I reject the idea that killing children is so much worse than killing adults, but that's not relevant to this topic). I'm dicking around in a video game because it's a video game. I am acting in direct opposition to normal morality. Dragging me back from the fantastic absurdity of murdering entire towns full of people on a whim by finger-wagging at me for shooting the kid too is a little silly.

*backs away slowly*

[Eveangaline]

Josielyn wrote...

Ok. So between templars, darkspawn, and slavers, we have come up with a viable explanation for the lack of "ambient children", right? I just can't get the Orphanage quest in DAO out of my head. Gives me the chills.

I forget, was it templars that purged the orphanage and killed all the kids, or just the human arl of denerim?

[Josielyn]

I thought it was Tevinter Mages that killed all the kids in the orphanage to fuel their blood magic to create the "fake" illness they were using to send the City Elves in to slavery.

[Gamemako]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

*backs away slowly*

Where are you going, my dear? Don't you want to stay for dinner? We're having veal with baby carrots. There's also some virgin egg nog. Don't you want some?

[Melca36]

Josielyn wrote...

Is it just me, or did anyone else notice the scarcity of children in DA2?  Will some attention be paid to this little detail in DA3?  It just seemed very unnerving to me that there weren't more kids running around in Kirkwall in the daytime.  There weren't any Dalish children in Sundermount either. And what does a Dwarven child look like nowadays?  In DAO they were part of families, or there were some quests related to helping them, but I can only remember 1 or 2 in DA2 (smuggler's quest).    Maybe Morrigan's Old God Baby will be the 1 child that we do see in DA3?  How about Alistair and Anora having a child? 

The children were in Darktown.............

[Savber100]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

There was barely anyone in Kirkwall.

"There's no more room" ----- What a joke. Bioware is just lazy.

Lazy? Seriously?

Frack that. 

(Sorry it just irritates me when gamers go accusing developers of laziness just because of a feature that was not implemented.) 

[Dhiro]

Gamemako wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

I genuinely want to kill digital children. Call me a bad person, but being a monstrous mass murderer/rapist/tyrant/whatever is OK.

Hm. No. Being a rapist is not, in fact, okay.

[Plaintiff]

Children didn't show up because they weren't very important.

Kirkwall was lacking in people generally, not just children. Perhaps it could've done with a few more bystanders, but unless crowds are somehow integral to the plot or mechanics of the game, I would be happy to sacrfice "atmosphere" and "realism" for the ability to run around freely without schmucks getting in the way.

[Maria Caliban]

Dhiro wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

I genuinely want to kill digital children. Call me a bad person, but being a monstrous mass murderer/rapist/tyrant/whatever is OK.

Hm. No. Being a rapist is not, in fact, okay.

Eh. Dragon Age is a series fully committed to the idea of non-persons. It's okay to rain fire on their heads, hit them so hard they explode in a burst of blood, or fill them full of arrows. Not only does the game suggest that this is a morally neutral action, but you have to do it if you want to complete the game.

If you embrace the idea that it's fine to hideously murder people because they're bad or dangerous, I don't see anything odd about the idea that it's fine to rape someone because they're bad or dangerous.

The problem isn't that we find rape disturbing. It's that we find the killing not disturbing and the game never questions it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:52 .

[Dhiro]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Should I be worried you want to kill fake children?

I genuinely want to kill digital children. Call me a bad person, but being a monstrous mass murderer/rapist/tyrant/whatever is OK.

Hm. No. Being a rapist is not, in fact, okay.

Eh. Dragon Age is a series fully committed to the idea of non-persons. It's okay to rain fire on their heads, hit them so hard they explode in a burst of blood, or fill them full of arrows. Not only does the game suggest that this is a morally neutral action, but you have to do it if you want to complete the game.

If you embrace the idea that it's fine to hideously murder people because they're bad or dangerous, I don't see anything odd about the idea that it's fine to rape someone because they're bad or dangerous.

The problem isn't that we find rape disturbing. It's that we find the killing not disturbing and the game never questions it.

The game forces us to murder people to progress, yes... but the same can't be said about rape. Which is why I singled out that specific bit and not the mass murderer one - you can't help but being a mass murderer, but being a rapist (and then, it can only happen in the player's headcanon) is a choice the player takes. And that's creepy.

Am I making sense?