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[Genshie]

marshalleck wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Yes, cause Witcher 1 was awesome right...?  Don't get on such a high horse when they too had issues just like Bioware and every other developer.

Witcher 1 was excellent for their very first outing, Witcher 2 blew that one away, and I'm pretty sure they've yet to produce their own opus, as Bioware did with Baldur's Gate 2.

In terms of graphics and everything else that wasn't story Witcher 1 wasn't that impressive. All that Witcher 2 did was improve upon all the major faults of the previous title and yet didn't really improve upon what was good in the first one and invented new problems such as the over complicated combat system, crappy inventory system, a leveling up system that is still overly complicated for its purpose, and list goes on... The story and the overall theme was what is good and remains one of the few things that is good about Witcher. (And some people would even bring that in to question with the darker themes)

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:02 .

[marshalleck]

Frankenmom was pretty deepdark.

[Shadow Fox]

marshalleck wrote...

Xilizhra wrote... novel-slaved garbage.

Look at how mad you are. 

Well she does have a point.

[marshalleck]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Xilizhra wrote... novel-slaved garbage.

Look at how mad you are. 

Well she does have a point.

No, she(?) has sour grapes. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:03 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Bioware is not CD Projekt or Bethesda.. Bioware is Bioware..

Can we stop putting emphasis on posing as something else?

Who said anything about posing as someone else?

All Developers have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm not saying Bioware should be CD Projekt, but there's nothing wrong with implementing a good idea.

[Fishy]

Genshie wrote...

You know what I am getting really tired of seeing any threads on Bioware forums about CD Projekt and Witcher 2. This is like fifth thread I have seen with either Witcher 2 or CD Projekt in the title.

On a serious note: Combat in Witcher 2 is kind of a real chore. On harder difficulties fighting 3+ plus things is not fun you can get locked and or pretty much spammed to death. Also despite me actually liking the darker mature fantasy theme I do agree that women weren't portrayed very well. Though I really enjoyed Saskia and thought her character was well done.

I wonder why they don't hang at Cd projeckt social network. They so different in so many level(DA and witcher) .CD red has developped ... 2 game ... and the first witcher was not that great back in the day with plenty of problem. The game was actually so bad they had to redo it and enhance it.

What BioWare can learn about CD red .. When you're a new studio ... You have more liberties ? I don't know.

Modifié par Suprez30, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

[AresKeith]

And the romances too

[Genshie]

Suprez30 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

You know what I am getting really tired of seeing any threads on Bioware forums about CD Projekt and Witcher 2. This is like fifth thread I have seen with either Witcher 2 or CD Projekt in the title.

On a serious note: Combat in Witcher 2 is kind of a real chore. On harder difficulties fighting 3+ plus things is not fun you can get locked and or pretty much spammed to death. Also despite me actually liking the darker mature fantasy theme I do agree that women weren't portrayed very well. Though I really enjoyed Saskia and thought her character was well done.

I wonder why they don't hang at Cd projeckt social network. They so different in so many level .CD red has developped ... 2 game ... and the first witcher was not that great back in the day with plenty of problem.

I just think Witcher 2 is an over hyped title for the same reasons Skyrim is over hyped. None of the two titles really brought anything all that new to the table while remaining safe and doing what has always worked for them. Improving upon older mistakes and yet never improving upon what they have that is good only to create new problems. 

[ObserverStatus]

Obsidian > CD Projekt

[Emzamination]

AresKeith wrote...

And the romances too

You have to be kidding me... What romance? Geralt was a womanizing pig interested solely in wam bam thank you mam.Bioware's romances have taste, class and respectability regarding both genders.

[Genshie]

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

[Genshie]

Emzamination wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And the romances too

You have to be kidding me... What romance? Geralt was a womanizing pig interested solely in wam bam thank you mam.Bioware's romances have taste, class and respectability regarding both genders.

Holy paste Batman! Someone else who uses that phrase! XD However, you have to give Witcher a break since you can play a loyal Geralt. (But for all the players who honestly play Witcher who does that? XD)

[Volus Warlord]

Genshie wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

You know what I am getting really tired of seeing any threads on Bioware forums about CD Projekt and Witcher 2. This is like fifth thread I have seen with either Witcher 2 or CD Projekt in the title.

On a serious note: Combat in Witcher 2 is kind of a real chore. On harder difficulties fighting 3+ plus things is not fun you can get locked and or pretty much spammed to death. Also despite me actually liking the darker mature fantasy theme I do agree that women weren't portrayed very well. Though I really enjoyed Saskia and thought her character was well done.

I wonder why they don't hang at Cd projeckt social network. They so different in so many level .CD red has developped ... 2 game ... and the first witcher was not that great back in the day with plenty of problem.

I just think Witcher 2 is an over hyped title for the same reasons Skyrim is over hyped. None of the two titles really brought anything all that new to the table while remaining safe and doing what has always worked for them. Improving upon older mistakes and yet never improving upon what they have that is good only to create new problems. 

 Skyrim was leaps and bonds improved over Oblivion..

Can't speak for Witcher...

And you are making a pretty flawed assertion, with your statements boiling down to that a game must be innovative to be good, which is simply not accurate. There are numerous very unique, innovative games that are total garbage, just as there are numerous run-of-the-mill rehashed that are garbage.

If DA3 was largely a rehash of previously established mechanics,which it most likely will be (maybe with small improvements and a little mix and match), I'd be fine with it if it was functional, cohesive, and enjoyable.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Take what from Witcher 2? Also many on the team have played both Witcher 2 and Skyrim. What specifically are they to take from Witcher 2?

1. How to make a great RPG.
2. How to respect your fanbase.
3. How to take criticism.

The thread should be titled "What Bioware can learn from CD Projekt".

Sure.

Thanks.

Wow @ the reaction in this thread. Looks like you struck a nerve.

[EricHVela]

Meh. BWE should simply learn from BWE. CDP isn't in the same situation as BWE. CDP is not the property of EA. CDP isn't trying to make Dragon Age.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:15 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

[Fishy]

The only thing IMO bioware couldlearn from red is how to make a more vivid and living-breathing world.. BioWare at some point need to step up their game in that department. Static npc not doing anything in 2012 or extreme amount of loading need to get away. But i think this is what they want to improve the most in DA3. That the vibe I am getting .

RED really managed well the loading between zone .. So well done actually that it's like you had none. The world was more open and NPC were actually moving around doing this ****. Dragon world felt ... like an image .. a stiff image. DA2 lacked soul. That something the witcher 2 had. What i mean is ... DA2 felt shallow to me.

DA2: WOOOHOOo I AM Flipping like a PRO ... Look at my plex .. so pwn!!
The witcher 2 : Why are you flipping anyway?
DA2: UHUH .. It's cool d00d .. Look at my pack .. SO PWN!
The witcher 2 : My god ...So you're ninja flipping around because it's make youi look cool ?
DA2: Yeah d00d .. uuhuhh and when I keel somebody ... they goes BOOM .. I am soooo awesome..
The witcher 2: Sorry but I need to go facepalm in that corner.


But I still enjoy more BioWare game. Because of group combat .. Charater creator .. Deeper character.. Romance... and all that stuff. PLUs BSN. Asl Bioware had a much more talented cast for voice over and their cinematic are getting better each time.

Modifié par Suprez30, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:31 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

Taking from Witcher 2 doesn't mean we need to get rid of the Awesome button.

We need more of that, actually.

FFS, when I press the D-Pad something awesome should happen!

[Genshie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

You know what I am getting really tired of seeing any threads on Bioware forums about CD Projekt and Witcher 2. This is like fifth thread I have seen with either Witcher 2 or CD Projekt in the title.

On a serious note: Combat in Witcher 2 is kind of a real chore. On harder difficulties fighting 3+ plus things is not fun you can get locked and or pretty much spammed to death. Also despite me actually liking the darker mature fantasy theme I do agree that women weren't portrayed very well. Though I really enjoyed Saskia and thought her character was well done.

I wonder why they don't hang at Cd projeckt social network. They so different in so many level .CD red has developped ... 2 game ... and the first witcher was not that great back in the day with plenty of problem.

I just think Witcher 2 is an over hyped title for the same reasons Skyrim is over hyped. None of the two titles really brought anything all that new to the table while remaining safe and doing what has always worked for them. Improving upon older mistakes and yet never improving upon what they have that is good only to create new problems. 

 Skyrim was leaps and bonds improved over Oblivion..

Can't speak for Witcher...

And you are making a pretty flawed assertion, with your statements boiling down to that a game must be innovative to be good, which is simply not accurate. There are numerous very unique, innovative games that are total garbage, just as there are numerous run-of-the-mill rehashed that are garbage.

If DA3 was largely a rehash of previously established mechanics,which it most likely will be (maybe with small improvements and a little mix and match), I'd be fine with it if it was functional, cohesive, and enjoyable.

I am sorry but from newer bigger games lately also with all the releases of PS VITA, Nintendo 3DS, and WII U they have been pushing for the innovative so in the long run I do believe my assertion is completely reasonable. Also I never actually said games have to be innovative to be good. I am more focusing on if a game is actually fun and not a a chore if anything. Witcher 2 combat and Skyrim combat really felt like a chore to me.

[Xilizhra]

marshalleck wrote...

Xilizhra wrote... novel-slaved garbage.

Look at how mad you are. 

And if I was more sincere with my reasons, you'd continue to mock me there too, so what have I to gain?

[Genshie]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

Taking from Witcher 2 doesn't mean we need to get rid of the Awesome button.

We need more of that, actually.

FFS, when I press the D-Pad something awesome should happen!

Hey I am waiting for an Awesome Button gif for Assassin's Creed since its basically the same kind of deal.

Edit: Yes, cause I really want really uber complex Street fighter/Guilty Gear/Blaze Blue combo button combinations in my rpgs...

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Genshie wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

Taking from Witcher 2 doesn't mean we need to get rid of the Awesome button.

We need more of that, actually.

FFS, when I press the D-Pad something awesome should happen!

Hey I am waiting for an Awesome Button gif for Assassin's Creed since its basically the same kind of deal.

Plus an ending like ME3!

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Genshie wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

Taking from Witcher 2 doesn't mean we need to get rid of the Awesome button.

We need more of that, actually.

FFS, when I press the D-Pad something awesome should happen!

Hey I am waiting for an Awesome Button gif for Assassin's Creed since its basically the same kind of deal.

That's unlikely without the aid of EA's PR machine.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Massakkolia]

marshalleck wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Xilizhra wrote... novel-slaved garbage.

Look at how mad you are. 

Well she does have a point.

No, she(?) has sour grapes. 

Instead of laughing and belittling people who find The Witcher series flawed how about trying some good solid arguments?

Making a role-playing game that is quite slavishly based on a book series can be done but it's bound to be problematic. Geralt is a very wooden character that only offers a limited range to actual role-playing. You, as Geralt, can make an impact to the world but not so much on NPCs or yourself.

Both Witcher 1 & 2 proved to me that CD Projekt doesn't have a very strong writing team. The development team relied on books as a crutch instead of using them as an inspiration. That can be remedied in the future and I have some hopes for their independent IPs. They have a long way to go though and their games have to mature (W2 took some baby steps to the right direction but in the end it was more "dark and sexy" than an intelligent work aimed for adults)

Modifié par Ria, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:26 .

[ObserverStatus]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Taking from Witcher 2 doesn't mean we need to get rid of the Awesome button.
We need more of that, actually.
FFS, when I press the D-Pad something awesome should happen!

They had better not steal my awesome button.

Modifié par bobobo878, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .