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[John Epler]

Image posts and posts consisting of nothing but Youtube links are still against the rules.

If you have something of substance to say, please do so. Otherwise, I strongly recommend you resist the urge to show everyone how clever you are by posting animated gifs.

[Shadow Fox]

Ria wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Xilizhra wrote... novel-slaved garbage.

Look at how mad you are. 

Well she does have a point.

No, she(?) has sour grapes. 

Instead of laughing and belittling people who find The Witcher series flawed how about trying some good solid arguments?

Making a role-playing game that is quite slavishly based on a book series can be done but it's bound to be problematic. Geralt is a very wooden character that only offers a limited range to actual role-playing. You, as Geralt, can make an impact to the world but not so much on NPCs or yourself.

Both Witcher 1 & 2 proved to me that CD Projekt doesn't have a very strong writing team. The development team relied on books as a crutch instead of using them as an inspiration. That can be remedied in the future and I have some hopes for their independent IPs. They have along way to go though and their games have to mature (W2 took some baby steps to the right direction but in the end it was more "dark and sexy" than an intelligent work aimed for adults)

Reason why I find most of the LOTR games terrible.

[Nashimura]

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

[Volus Warlord]

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

DUN DUN DUN DUN

Why is everyone so worked up about this?

[Genshie]

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

I think the issue here is that in this case for The Witcher the majority all women acted that way except for a very small few. Dragon Age had a much broader terms of personality and types for women.

[Lenimph]

Genshie wrote...

Holy paste Batman! Someone else who uses that phrase! XD However, you have to give Witcher a break since you can play a loyal Geralt. (But for all the players who honestly play Witcher who does that? XD)

Isn't that techinically not true because you can romance (Shianni) someone other then Triss  in the first game and then you get railroaded into romancing Triss in the second game? 

So you can only be loyal if you romance Triss...  but wait there's Yennefer!  

Omg I feel like im describing the events of a telenovela... 





Btw I don't think the Bioware has anything to learn from the witcher games other then the inclusion of sex cards and nudity. /sarcasm  My hate for these games should be no secret. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Genshie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

DUN DUN DUN DUN

Why is everyone so worked up about this?

Becasue America still has a problem with Sex but has no qualms over VIOLENCE!! Hey we can show people being shot, hung, ripped apart, and ect... on public day time television but we see a boob and we are all, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

[Genshie]

Lenimph wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Holy paste Batman! Someone else who uses that phrase! XD However, you have to give Witcher a break since you can play a loyal Geralt. (But for all the players who honestly play Witcher who does that? XD)

Isn't that techinically not true because you can romance (Shianni) someone other then Triss  in the first game and then you get railroaded into romancing Triss in the second game? 

So you can only be loyal if you romance Triss...  but wait there's Yennefer! 





Btw I don't think the Bioware has anything to learn from the witcher games other then the inclusion of sex cards and nudity. /sarcasm  My hate for these games should be no secret. 

GOTTA GET THEM ALL! SEXY CARDS! Felt like I was playing pokemon or yugioh. 

Serious note: You get a letter from Shianni though if you imported your game I believe mentioning her love and that she is waiting for her G-man to return or something like that.

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:36 .

[Cyne]

They should learn from witcher2's art style, which is truly BEAUTIFUL. For that matter they should also take a look at guild wars 2, which managed to be both stunningly beautiful and very unique.

[Vearsin]

If anything Bioware could learn a thing or two about the willingness to push boundaries, something The Witcher does well. Say the nudity and sex scenes in TW2 were too much if you will but CD had some guts puttin that out there.

Modifié par Vearsin, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:38 .

[Nashimura]

Genshie wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity.

I think the issue here is that in this case for The Witcher the majority all women acted that way except for a very small few. Dragon Age had a much broader terms of personality and types for women.

I do think the 2nd game improved on that aspect, in the 2nd there is some select characters who have this trait but its balance by some truly strong female characters also.

[Genshie]

Vearsin wrote...

If anything Bioware could learn a thing or too about the willingness to push boundaries, something The Witcher does well. Say the nudity and sex scenes in TW2 were too much if you will but CD had some guts puttin that out there.

I have nothing wrong with the sex scenes but I think what alot of people have issues with is the personalities of the women in the Witcher franchise for the majority of them seem to be very one tracked/stereotyped.

[Kileyan]

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

The Witcher isn't really one of my top rpgs games, but I still can't agree with your shoving them into the category of frequent sequels with no ambition. CDprojext only has two games, many years apart. It is hardly enough of a track record to lump them into a group with Call of Duty.

Also implementing improvements is sometimes the right direction. Sometimes reinventing the wheel isn't needed. Bioware for example, if they ever get a solid combat system/speed, interface and itemization, I see no reason for them to reinvent it again and again.  Tell me some cool stories with that engine, spend all your dev time creating a story and world.  That is part of what went wrong with DA2. For some reason they only had a very short dev cycle. They spent way too much time redoing combat, talent, stats and progression, and way too little time creating a world in which to tell their new story.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Once again, the ignorance of the BSN is astounding.

"I haven't actually played the game, but from the few Youtube videos i've watched, i know everything i need to".

Stop making topics like these, as unlike many others, my bodily response to ignorance is a cringe and not a laugh.

[Volus Warlord]

Genshie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

DUN DUN DUN DUN

Why is everyone so worked up about this?

Becasue America still has a problem with Sex but has no qualms over VIOLENCE!! Hey we can show people being shot, hung, ripped apart, and ect... on public day time television but we see a boob and we are all, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

I think that's totally unrelated. 

I believe getting angry over women's roles in Witcher 2 compared with Dragon Age is something like this:

"How dare you display [blatant sex object]! Our character, [blatant sex object with cardboard cutout personality] is so much above and beyond your ways!"

[Genshie]

Kileyan wrote...

Genshie wrote...

I know I am going to get some rage over this but Witcher/Elder Scrolls= Call of Duty but for fantasy titles. Doing the same thing over and over implementing improvements but never bringing anything new to the table.

The Witcher isn't really one of my top rpgs games, but I still can't agree with your shoving them into the category of frequent sequels with no ambition. CDprojext only has two games, many years apart. It is hardly enough of a track record to lump them into a group with Call of Duty.

Also implementing improvements is sometimes the right direction. Sometimes reinventing the wheel isn't needed. Bioware for example, if they ever get a solid combat system/speed, interface and itemization, I see no reason for them to reinvent it again and again.  Tell me some cool stories with that engine, spend all your dev time creating a story and world.  That is part of what went wrong with DA2. For some reason they only had a very short dev cycle. They spent way too much time redoing combat, talent, stats and progression, and way too little time creating a world in which to tell their new story.

I will admit that I jumped the gun with lumping Witcher with Call of Duty. I don't think it will ever get as bad as releasing a game every year. Assassin's Creed though unfortuantly is heading that route via releasing a game every year kind of deal. (Ubisoft even admitted to releasing a game every year as one of their main focuses DX) Then again I am actually going to get AC3 simply for the time setting so... 

Can we agree that CDprojext is going through the normal developer/publisher phase that Bioware went through when they first released ME1 and DA:Origins? (I mean all the hype and ect of being really new and fresh?)

[Vearsin]

Genshie wrote...

Vearsin wrote...

If anything Bioware could learn a thing or too about the willingness to push boundaries, something The Witcher does well. Say the nudity and sex scenes in TW2 were too much if you will but CD had some guts puttin that out there.

I have nothing wrong with the sex scenes but I think what alot of people have issues with is the personalities of the women in the Witcher franchise for the majority of them seem to be very one tracked/stereotyped.

True but there are also shining examples of strong and intreresting female characters there too. For example I think a women like Ves, underdeveloped though she was, measures up to any character Bioware has ever come up with.

[Genshie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

DUN DUN DUN DUN

Why is everyone so worked up about this?

Becasue America still has a problem with Sex but has no qualms over VIOLENCE!! Hey we can show people being shot, hung, ripped apart, and ect... on public day time television but we see a boob and we are all, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

I think that's totally unrelated. 

I believe getting angry over women's roles in Witcher 2 compared with Dragon Age is something like this:

"How dare you display [blatant sex object]! Our character, [blatant sex object with cardboard cutout personality] is so much above and beyond your ways!"

When you are constantly having it thrown at you though is the issue. The majority of the female characters in the Witcher franchise fits the same constant stereotype.

[Volus Warlord]

Genshie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

DUN DUN DUN DUN

Why is everyone so worked up about this?

Becasue America still has a problem with Sex but has no qualms over VIOLENCE!! Hey we can show people being shot, hung, ripped apart, and ect... on public day time television but we see a boob and we are all, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

I think that's totally unrelated. 

I believe getting angry over women's roles in Witcher 2 compared with Dragon Age is something like this:

"How dare you display [blatant sex object]! Our character, [blatant sex object with cardboard cutout personality] is so much above and beyond your ways!"

When you are constantly having it thrown at you though is the issue. The majority of the female characters in the Witcher franchise fits the same constant stereotype.

So if you have 2-3 different stereotypes, you become so much more morally justified?

[Genshie]

Vearsin wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Vearsin wrote...

If anything Bioware could learn a thing or too about the willingness to push boundaries, something The Witcher does well. Say the nudity and sex scenes in TW2 were too much if you will but CD had some guts puttin that out there.

I have nothing wrong with the sex scenes but I think what alot of people have issues with is the personalities of the women in the Witcher franchise for the majority of them seem to be very one tracked/stereotyped.

True but there are also shining examples of strong and intreresting female characters there too. For example I think a women like Ves, underdeveloped though she was, measures up to any character Bioware has ever come up with.

I thought Saskia was probably one of the better written female characters. I don't know maybe because you couldn't sex her up and she actually had this Joan of Arc deal going on. I like Ves alot too but probaly for more other reasons than you. (Unless you too eh....?)

[Gamemako]

Emzamination wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And the romances too

You have to be kidding me... What romance? Geralt was a womanizing pig interested solely in wam bam thank you mam.Bioware's romances have taste, class and respectability regarding both genders.

Honestly, you've completely missed the point. Geralt's trysts are comic relief. A Dryad? Lady of the Lake? It's like Zev and Isabela's wet dream.

(Though I must admit, your posts smack of  this sickening Victorian prudery.)

[Genshie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Disagree - Tw and the Tw2 contain horrendous stigmas regarding female promiscuity. Bioware doesn't need to learn anything from trash like that.

I dont see how they are potrayed worse than Isabela concerning promiscuity. 

DUN DUN DUN DUN

Why is everyone so worked up about this?

Becasue America still has a problem with Sex but has no qualms over VIOLENCE!! Hey we can show people being shot, hung, ripped apart, and ect... on public day time television but we see a boob and we are all, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

I think that's totally unrelated. 

I believe getting angry over women's roles in Witcher 2 compared with Dragon Age is something like this:

"How dare you display [blatant sex object]! Our character, [blatant sex object with cardboard cutout personality] is so much above and beyond your ways!"

When you are constantly having it thrown at you though is the issue. The majority of the female characters in the Witcher franchise fits the same constant stereotype.

So if you have 2-3 different stereotypes, you become so much more morally justified?

I would say for this situation yes. Or how about not having any stereotypes? (In the end I think we all fall in one or two either way) More is good less is bad kind of deal. The whole sex object thing being the majority of the female cast is not a good thing.

[Genshie]

Gamemako wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And the romances too

You have to be kidding me... What romance? Geralt was a womanizing pig interested solely in wam bam thank you mam.Bioware's romances have taste, class and respectability regarding both genders.

Honestly, you've completely missed the point. Geralt's trysts are comic relief. A Dryad? Lady of the Lake? It's like Zev and Isabela's wet dream.

(Though I must admit, your posts smack of  this sickening Victorian prudery.)

You can throw in a nun, a demon, a slave, even a few vampires in there.

[Volus Warlord]

Genshie wrote...

I would say for this situation yes. Or how about not having any stereotypes? (In the end I think we all fall in one or two either way) More is good less is bad kind of deal. The whole sex object thing being the majority of the female cast is not a good thing.

What would you prefer the female cast be? Keep in mind the fanbase was demanding literally ANYTHING be "romance-able" to a lesser or greater extent.

[Xilizhra]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Genshie wrote...

I would say for this situation yes. Or how about not having any stereotypes? (In the end I think we all fall in one or two either way) More is good less is bad kind of deal. The whole sex object thing being the majority of the female cast is not a good thing.

What would you prefer the female cast be? Keep in mind the fanbase was demanding literally ANYTHING be "romance-able" to a lesser or greater extent.

You do realize there's a difference between "sex object" and "love interest," yes?