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[Lenimph]

Solmanian wrote...

I hated that they used softcore porn as a sales hook.

 

I hated that playboy agreed to it. Foriegn branch or not. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[WhiteThunder]

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Well, The Witcher 2 was a great game with choices that mattered and several different ending that came about as a result of your decisions throughout the game.  It gets a much greater benefit of the doubt than does a game which retroactively ruined an entire franchise.

[SirGladiator]

TW and TW2 were pretty great games, and there were plenty of differences between them. What I'd love to see Bioware take from them, TW2 especially, is the incredibly beautiful graphics, really interesting and branching storylines, and of course the vastly superior love scenes (thats not to say Bioware should go 'that' far, I mean, TW2's love scenes tended to be pretty extreme, the Triss one was awesome but otherwise it did go a bit overboard, to put it mildly) but there's lots of room between what TW2 did and what DA2 did, in that middle ground lies a lot of awesomeness). And of course, what TW3 should learn from Bioware is that Geralt can be Geraldine and be just as awesome if not even moreso, we'd like to customize our character's appearance, and theres a lot of room for improvement in the combat department.

Ultimately both series' are awesome, and there's really no reason to be critical of either. Both have had their ups and downs, but they produce one awesome game after another, and both should be proud (especially the TW2 folks, because they made their incredibly awesome game on a shoestring budget) of what they've done, and no doubt will have plenty of reason to be proud of their next installment as well, I anticipate each being the best in their respective series, and that means that we as gamers are the biggest winners of all.

[DreamwareStudio]

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

One aspect does not make or break a game. Every game features its good and bad points. If the bad outweigh the good, though, you'll see people steamroll on a game like DA 2. It also depends on how the feature is implemented, too. If you get into pointless auto-dialogue, then yes, it makes the auto-dialogue even worse.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Genshie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Well, The Witcher 2 was a great game with choices that mattered and several different ending that came about as a result of your decisions throughout the game.  It gets a much greater benefit of the doubt than does a game which retroactively ruined an entire franchise.

Woah slow down there. We won't know this until Witcher 3 since it looks like there will be one. They can easily write themselves into a corner here and with as many endings as Witcher 2 has I believe that there is a high chance that it could very well happen.

[Genshie]

J. Reezy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Geralt's autodialogue was never dumb stuff like "this isn't about tactics" or "the geth are better than this", though.

Also, he's a predefined character. That makes a difference.

This.

I don't see what is so great about it. It could be good or bad. If anything it allows the writers to be more open or lazy about it since the player doesn't have to do much for him. Cause you know I simply adore characters like Desmond from Assassin's Creed.

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:54 .

[DreamwareStudio]

Genshie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Well, The Witcher 2 was a great game with choices that mattered and several different ending that came about as a result of your decisions throughout the game.  It gets a much greater benefit of the doubt than does a game which retroactively ruined an entire franchise.

Woah slow down there. We won't know this until Witcher 3 since it looks like there will be one. They can easily write themselves into a corner here and with as many endings as Witcher 2 has I believe that there is a high chance that it could very well happen.

The bolded portion does not reference TW 3; it references TW 2, which did have choices that mattered and an ending with sixteen different possibilities.

I have faith in CD Projekt. I am not concerned in the least about them getting stuck in a corner with TW 3 because of all those endings in TW 2. As I stated earlier, they are the one company from which I will preorder.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:56 .

[Genshie]

google_calasade wrote...

Genshie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Well, The Witcher 2 was a great game with choices that mattered and several different ending that came about as a result of your decisions throughout the game.  It gets a much greater benefit of the doubt than does a game which retroactively ruined an entire franchise.

Woah slow down there. We won't know this until Witcher 3 since it looks like there will be one. They can easily write themselves into a corner here and with as many endings as Witcher 2 has I believe that there is a high chance that it could very well happen.

The bolded portion references TW 2 not TW 3.

I have faith in CD Projekt. I am not concerned in the least about them getting stuck in a corner.

Thats not  the point. ME3 was Shepard's final chapter TW2 was not Geralt's final chapter meaning they can still screw up. And people had the same kind of faith and said the same thing for DA and ME. (Yeah I know I wrote a negative thing about Bioware and I am actually on their side for most parts. Just making a point that we all can screw the pooch at times) I will say like you but for DA3 that I still have faith in Bioware. (Not a negative towards you)

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:58 .

[Direwolf0294]

I haven't played The Witcher 2, but I've played the first game and thought it was average. Combat was terrible, no real player choices and Geralt wasn't much of a protagonist. I'd rather BioWare not try and copy that.

[spirosz]

google_calasade wrote...

I have faith in CD Projekt. I am not concerned in the least about them getting stuck in a corner with TW 3 because of all those endings in TW 2. As I stated earlier, they are the one company from which I will preorder.

A lot of people had faith in Bioware as well 

[DreamwareStudio]

Genshie wrote...

And people had the same kind of faith and said the same thing for DA and ME. (Yeah I know I wrote a negative thing about Bioware and I am actually on their side for most parts. Just making a point that we all can screw the pooch at times)

I was one of those people in regards to Bioware. Things changed for me after 2007 when EA bought Bioware. I preordered DA:O, though. I did not do so with DA 2. I committed the mistake of later buying DA 2 (I felt ripped off even at the bargain price of $10). Because of that game I have no confidence in the direction EA is going with the DA series.

I will continue trusting CD Projekt. They deserve the benefit of the doubt as I have seen nothing from them for me to do contrary. Their writing is top notch and better than even Bioware's was. CDPR, too, has thus far shown an incredible willingness to listen to their customers' input. They have also displayed great respect for their customers, this evidenced nowhere more than their releasing Enhanced Editions of both Witcher games for free to those who purchased the previous editions.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:18 .

[Kileyan]

Genshie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Well, The Witcher 2 was a great game with choices that mattered and several different ending that came about as a result of your decisions throughout the game.  It gets a much greater benefit of the doubt than does a game which retroactively ruined an entire franchise.

Woah slow down there. We won't know this until Witcher 3 since it looks like there will be one. They can easily write themselves into a corner here and with as many endings as Witcher 2 has I believe that there is a high chance that it could very well happen.

So now we are judging games on what hasn't happened yet? Seriously, you are defending Bioware by saying that Witcher 2 doesn't deserve praise for what they have done,  because if they do a third game, they might just mess up to! You are stretching a bit.

Far as I know CDProjekts next game is a cyberpunk game, not Witcher 3. I admit again, I'm not a big follower of the Witcher(game), I liked the books. There may be a witcher 3 game coming, I just haven't cared enough to look.

You know what I would expect of CDprojkt if they did write themselves into a corner in W2. I would expect them to pick a canon and tell a good story. Not have a space monkey god appear in the last 10 minutes and wrap it all up in a colorful explosion.

Modifié par Kileyan, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Maria Caliban]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I haven't played The Witcher 2, but I've played the first game and thought it was average. Combat was terrible, no real player choices and Geralt wasn't much of a protagonist. I'd rather BioWare not try and copy that.

The Witcher 2 is better... except the combat is horrible and the protagonist is the same.

Which is to say, that it does player choice very well and looks nice.

[Genshie]

Kileyan wrote...

Genshie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see the same people complain about autodialogue in ME 3, claiming it ruins RPGs, no decent RPG would ever use it, and that taking choice away from the player is the absolute worst thing a developer could ever do... and then blatantly shill the Witcher 2, a game full of autodialogue.

Well, The Witcher 2 was a great game with choices that mattered and several different ending that came about as a result of your decisions throughout the game.  It gets a much greater benefit of the doubt than does a game which retroactively ruined an entire franchise.

Woah slow down there. We won't know this until Witcher 3 since it looks like there will be one. They can easily write themselves into a corner here and with as many endings as Witcher 2 has I believe that there is a high chance that it could very well happen.

Far as I know CDProjekts next game is a cyberpunk game, not Witcher 3. I admit again, I'm not a big follower of the Witcher(game), I liked the books. There may be a witcher 3 game coming, I just haven't cared enough to look.

You know what I would expect of CDprojkt if they did write themselves into a corner in W2. I would expect them to pick a canon and tell a good story. Not have a space monkey god appear in the last 10 minutes and wrap it all up in a colorful explosion.

 The reason I said this is because it has been confirmed by the game itself leaving it opened in the game and by interviews with CDProjekt that there will be a Witcher 3 when though we don't know. And I know about the Cyber Punk Blade Runner Sci-Fi game you are mentioning and I too am looking forward to it.

Edit: About the praise bit I am just stating a pattern I see with games lately. ME2 got a similar response just like Witcher 2 is going through right now. The second game tends to be a nice big leap and then the final one falls flat in the ending department.

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:18 .

[Gamemako]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Witcher 2 is better... except the combat is horrible...

And the combat in the original wasn't horrible?

[mesmerizedish]

Yeah, let's have boring, f*ck-toy women, a That Guy protagonist, and a story that somehow manages to be less interesting than Dragon Age: Origins'.

I support this.

[DreamwareStudio]

Gamemako wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Witcher 2 is better... except the combat is horrible...

And the combat in the original wasn't horrible?

Both TW 1 and TW 2 could stand some improvement. I was not a fan of either combat system, but I love the fact that CD Projekt heeded the complaints about TW 1 and tried to do something to improve the game not only in that area but several others. Sometimes they succeeded, sometimes they did not.

Either way, it's a lot better than what we have gotten from EA in regards to the DA series in most aspects.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:28 .

[DreamwareStudio]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Yeah, let's have boring, f*ck-toy women, a That Guy protagonist, and a story that somehow manages to be less interesting than Dragon Age: Origins'.

I support this.

An uninteresting story? Toy women? A That Guy protagonist?

Did you really play TW 2?

I would guess ...

not.

[Seboist]

EAware was trying to have it both ways by having Shepard be predefined and blank slate(not just in ME3). The results are.... less than adequate.

That they completely retconned human nationalist Shepard from ME1 didn't help either.

[Maria Caliban]

Gamemako wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Witcher 2 is better... except the combat is horrible...

And the combat in the original wasn't horrible?

You may have misread my statement.

She listed things about the original Witcher she disliked. I said the Witcher 2 was better except for the elements it shared with its predecessor, one of which was the combat system.