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[DreamwareStudio]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm not being petty. I have legitimate issues with TW2.

But, this may come as another shock, but not everyone hated DAII. It was not the best game I played last year, but it was the best BioWare game since Baldur's Gate II.

You reply to a legitimate argument in regards to TW 2 with:

hahahahaha

And then state you're not being petty. Your conversation with me and others says otherwise. It contains undertones of hostility, closed mindedness, and dismissiveness. I prefer to avoid discussions with people presenting such, so this will be my last reply to you unless your undertone changes.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:02 .

[xsdob]

I never could enjoy playing a character who in an rpg sounds like he's doing a christian bale batman impersonation, doesn't have any emotional inclination one way or another no matter what you pick, and who can be taken out by a random gang of two thugs.

I have played up to floatsam and found the game very uninjoyable thus far and plauged with a glitch in which npc's needed to complete quest, such as the **** to distract the bastilla guard, not being generated and thus stopping my progress of the plot completly, with restarting the game fixing the problem only half the time and seemingly at random.

I will give it one more chance, but should it disappoint again, I shall need to return it. I must say that as bad as dragon age 2 was, at least it seemed to want me to reach the stories conclusion instead of breaking on me every three steps of the way.

[Genshie]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...






I think you missed the point. Geralt is a very stereotypical hero of video-games. Very bland too.

This is simply incorrect. It is factually false. One who played the game would not say this. You may think him bland, but stereotypical he is not. He is a man trying to retain neutrality in a world where neutrality makes you an enemy. He is no white knight, no hero, but a simple witcher caught up in events that are far above his pay grade. He is a philosopher, a man whom has seen the worst of people, and is constantly ridiculed by people, despite his profession professing that he must protect these same people.

No. Gerald is a character that has not been ever before seen in video games. You're entitled to dislike him, but to degrade his character by putting forward factually false remarks just hurts your opinion.

Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:06 .

[DreamwareStudio]

xsdob wrote...

I never could enjoy playing a character who in an rpg sounds like he's doing a christian bale batman impersonation, doesn't have any emotional inclination one way or another no matter what you pick, and who can be taken out by a random gang of two thugs.

I have played up to floatsam and found the game very uninjoyable thus far and plauged with a glitch in which npc's needed to complete quest, such as the **** to distract the bastilla guard, not being generated and thus stopping my progress of the plot completly, with restarting the game fixing the problem only half the time and seemingly at random.

I will give it one more chance, but should it disappoint again, I shall need to return it. I must say that as bad as dragon age 2 was, at least it seemed to want me to reach the stories conclusion instead of breaking on me every three steps of the way.

Make sure you download the patches. I've had no issues with them. As for the bland conversation, yeah, that's a pain. As for the difficulty (taken out by two random thugs), TW 2 is no cakewalk, which is something I appreciate. Playing the game can be a real challenge.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:05 .

[Battlebloodmage]

You want Bioware to make games for sexually-depraved teenagers?

[xsdob]

google_calasade wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I never could enjoy playing a character who in an rpg sounds like he's doing a christian bale batman impersonation, doesn't have any emotional inclination one way or another no matter what you pick, and who can be taken out by a random gang of two thugs.

I have played up to floatsam and found the game very uninjoyable thus far and plauged with a glitch in which npc's needed to complete quest, such as the **** to distract the bastilla guard, not being generated and thus stopping my progress of the plot completly, with restarting the game fixing the problem only half the time and seemingly at random.

I will give it one more chance, but should it disappoint again, I shall need to return it. I must say that as bad as dragon age 2 was, at least it seemed to want me to reach the stories conclusion instead of breaking on me every three steps of the way.

Make sure you download the patches. I've had no issues with them. As for the bland conversation, yeah, that's a pain. As for the difficulty (taken out by two random thugs), TW 2 is no cakewalk, which is something I appreciate. Playing the game can be a real challenge.

I purchased the xbox360 version, the patches were suppose to come with it included.

[WhiteThunder]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You want Bioware to make games for sexually-depraved teenagers?

Deprived you mean?  And are you insinuating that they haven't been doing that since at least KotOR?

[WhiteThunder]

xsdob wrote...

I purchased the xbox360 version, the patches were suppose to come with it included.

Not to make excuses, but it is their first time programming on XBox.  Have you checked their forums?

[Battlebloodmage]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You want Bioware to make games for sexually-depraved teenagers?

Deprived you mean?  And are you insinuating that they haven't been doing that since at least KotOR?

Bioware handles sexuality and gender much better than Witcher. That's all I'm saying.

[DreamwareStudio]

Solmanian wrote...

LOL, Bioware made the first witcher... Also remember that it was done almost a decade ago, so different standards... This was even before Mass effect, just after the last NWN expansion if I'm not mistaken. It also won a bunch of rpg of the year awards... Bioware invented the whole branching storylines in the first witcher that everyone telling them to learn from witcher 2... Gamers have such short memories...

Bioware nor EA in any way made the first Witcher, which came out in 2007, certainly shorter than a decade ago. The only thing Bioware did was lease the Aurora Engine to CD Projekt who then tweaked the crap out of it.

[mesmerizedish]

google_calasade wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm not being petty. I have legitimate issues with TW2.

But, this may come as another shock, but not everyone hated DAII. It was not the best game I played last year, but it was the best BioWare game since Baldur's Gate II.

You reply to a legitimate argument in regards to TW 2 with:

hahahahaha

And then state you're not being petty. Your conversation with me and others says otherwise. It contains undertones of hostility, closed mindedness, and dismissiveness. I prefer to avoid discussions with people presenting such, so this will be my last reply to you unless your undertone changes.

We're clearly using very different definitions of "legitimate." My reply of disbelief was toward unsupported, starry-eyed, CDPR dick-sucking bullsh*t. A position put forward sans any rational foundation doesn't deserve a serious response.

I dislike TW2 because it featured poor writing, poor acting, rampant misogyny, and crappy combat. I actually *liked* Geralt, at least the Geralt that I chose to play. He wasn't anything special, but he wasn't the *sshole most people make him out to be. That wasn't enough to make the game interesting.

[DreamwareStudio]

xsdob wrote...


I purchased the xbox360 version, the patches were suppose to come with it included.

It's their first release on XBOX so there are bound to be some glitches. Make sure you check out the forums at http://www.thewitcher.com. If you cannot find help there, contact their customer support. CD Projekt is very good at handling requests.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Genshie wrote...





]Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

How youve twisted my words; Jesus ****ing Christ. This place is inhabited by children. The hulk? spiderman?

JESUS CHRIST. This place needs a God damn exorcist.

[challenger18]

google_calasade wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I never could enjoy playing a character who in an rpg sounds like he's doing a christian bale batman impersonation, doesn't have any emotional inclination one way or another no matter what you pick, and who can be taken out by a random gang of two thugs.

I have played up to floatsam and found the game very uninjoyable thus far and plauged with a glitch in which npc's needed to complete quest, such as the **** to distract the bastilla guard, not being generated and thus stopping my progress of the plot completly, with restarting the game fixing the problem only half the time and seemingly at random.

I will give it one more chance, but should it disappoint again, I shall need to return it. I must say that as bad as dragon age 2 was, at least it seemed to want me to reach the stories conclusion instead of breaking on me every three steps of the way.

Make sure you download the patches. I've had no issues with them. As for the bland conversation, yeah, that's a pain. As for the difficulty (taken out by two random thugs), TW 2 is no cakewalk, which is something I appreciate. Playing the game can be a real challenge.

That was because the controls were sluggish or downright unresponsive, with animations that felt like they took forever to complete, which is not the mark of a truly challenging game. The combat is not something I would praise in the Witcher 2, not when half of it is spent battling the controls. It is something CDP has been working on since TW1 and still have not found a good responsive system for them that works.

[The Night Haunter]

WhiteThunder wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

But, this may come as another shock, but not everyone hated DAII. It was not the best game I played last year, but it was the best BioWare game since Baldur's Gate II.

See, this is why he's calling bull****.  Because no one can say that unironically.

Calling someone else's opinion invalid doesnt actually help your point. It just makes it seem like you have no legitimate arguement and thus resort to name calling.

TW2 was ok. I played it once, tried to get through a second playthrough and couldn't. Geralt was so... boring, I could barely relate to him. Combat was the worst though, I just leveled magic and threw fireballs everywhere and won. It had great graphics, and I actually liked Triss. The interactions with her throughout the story actually made her feel real. (I only sex'd Triss and then stayed faithful). The ending seemed very.. abrupt. Especially since the Bad Guy you were chasing the whole game turns out to be a mercenary with no real motivation besides money (might be realistic, but realistic isn't always what makes great stories).
As for the whole backstory... I never read and probably never will read any Witcher novels so the backstory made little to no sense to me. Nilfgaard being some big bad evil in the last act is very contrived and never explained. They could have done a much better job introducing the world to you.

[DreamwareStudio]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...


We're clearly using very different definitions of "legitimate." My reply of disbelief was toward unsupported, starry-eyed, CDPR dick-sucking bullsh*t. A position put forward sans any rational foundation doesn't deserve a serious response.

I dislike TW2 because it featured poor writing, poor acting, rampant misogyny, and crappy combat. I actually *liked* Geralt, at least the Geralt that I chose to play. He wasn't anything special, but he wasn't the *sshole most people make him out to be. That wasn't enough to make the game interesting.

Poor acting, eh, yeah sometimes. Misogyny? Yes, it is present, but not at all times. As I stated in another post, I like the realism and the reflection of our own medieval period in many aspects of the Witcher series. I do get, though, how it can make some people uncomfortable. Crappy combat? I am not a fan of QTEs so I can agree with you there for the most part, though I liked how you had to prepare and strategize. 

Poor writing? There is where we definitely have differing opinions. I found TW 2's story to be very engaging.

[Genshie]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...





]Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

How youve twisted my words; Jesus ****ing Christ. This place is inhabited by children. The hulk? spiderman?

JESUS CHRIST. This place needs a God damn exorcist.

I didn't twist your words. You are praising a cut out and paste character like Geralt who is trying to be Batman or Rorschach. He is unoriginal. He brings nothing to the table at all. Since the player can't really mold his personality in the least bit which may be due to the amnesia he has that seems to fall upon most protagonist at one time or another.

[DreamwareStudio]

challenger18 wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I never could enjoy playing a character who in an rpg sounds like he's doing a christian bale batman impersonation, doesn't have any emotional inclination one way or another no matter what you pick, and who can be taken out by a random gang of two thugs.

I have played up to floatsam and found the game very uninjoyable thus far and plauged with a glitch in which npc's needed to complete quest, such as the **** to distract the bastilla guard, not being generated and thus stopping my progress of the plot completly, with restarting the game fixing the problem only half the time and seemingly at random.

I will give it one more chance, but should it disappoint again, I shall need to return it. I must say that as bad as dragon age 2 was, at least it seemed to want me to reach the stories conclusion instead of breaking on me every three steps of the way.

Make sure you download the patches. I've had no issues with them. As for the bland conversation, yeah, that's a pain. As for the difficulty (taken out by two random thugs), TW 2 is no cakewalk, which is something I appreciate. Playing the game can be a real challenge.

That was because the controls were sluggish or downright unresponsive, with animations that felt like they took forever to complete, which is not the mark of a truly challenging game. The combat is not something I would praise in the Witcher 2, not when half of it is spent battling the controls. It is something CDP has been working on since TW1 and still have not found a good responsive system for them that works.

I didn't experience sluggishness, but then I'm on a PC and a very high-end one at that. Even so, the combat could definitely be improved. Hopefully, they'll get it right in TW 3. The good sign is they are trying.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:18 .

[WhiteThunder]

Genshie wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...





]Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

How youve twisted my words; Jesus ****ing Christ. This place is inhabited by children. The hulk? spiderman?

JESUS CHRIST. This place needs a God damn exorcist.

I didn't twist your words. You are praising a cut out and paste character like Geralt who is trying to be Batman or Rorschach. He is unoriginal. He brings nothing to the table at all. Since the player can't really mold his personality in the least bit which may be due to the amnesia he has that seems to fall upon most protagonist at one time or another.

He is trying to be Batman or Rorschach?  Really?  The fact that you said Batman and Rorschach are the same thing is just factually incorrect.  Rorschach is the same thing as Magog from Kingdom Come.  Freaking Nite Owl is closer to Batman than Rorschach is.  If Geralt can be either Batman or Rorschach that is a huge amount of personality molding.

[challenger18]

google_calasade wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I never could enjoy playing a character who in an rpg sounds like he's doing a christian bale batman impersonation, doesn't have any emotional inclination one way or another no matter what you pick, and who can be taken out by a random gang of two thugs.

I have played up to floatsam and found the game very uninjoyable thus far and plauged with a glitch in which npc's needed to complete quest, such as the **** to distract the bastilla guard, not being generated and thus stopping my progress of the plot completly, with restarting the game fixing the problem only half the time and seemingly at random.

I will give it one more chance, but should it disappoint again, I shall need to return it. I must say that as bad as dragon age 2 was, at least it seemed to want me to reach the stories conclusion instead of breaking on me every three steps of the way.

Make sure you download the patches. I've had no issues with them. As for the bland conversation, yeah, that's a pain. As for the difficulty (taken out by two random thugs), TW 2 is no cakewalk, which is something I appreciate. Playing the game can be a real challenge.

That was because the controls were sluggish or downright unresponsive, with animations that felt like they took forever to complete, which is not the mark of a truly challenging game. The combat is not something I would praise in the Witcher 2, not when half of it is spent battling the controls. It is something CDP has been working on since TW1 and still have not found a good responsive system for them that works.

I didn't experience sluggishness, but then I'm on a PC and a very high-end one at that. Even so, the combat could definitely be improved. Hopefully, they'll get it right in TW 3. The good sign is they are trying.

I am on a good PC as well, with the auto-detect putting the specs on high, but combat still makes it sluggish for me. I haven't checked the frame rate, but you can clearly tell it drops horribly. I tried putting it on the lowest settings just to see if it would fix the problem and it did not do anything to improve it.

Regardless, since they changed the combat between games I am hopeful they will continue to experiement and find something that feels crisp and responsive.

[The Night Haunter]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...





]Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

How youve twisted my words; Jesus ****ing Christ. This place is inhabited by children. The hulk? spiderman?

JESUS CHRIST. This place needs a God damn exorcist.

Interesting way to ignore the point they made. Swearing to distract from the fact you have no real reply isnt helpful to a discussion.

They were pointing out aspects of Geralts predifined character:
1) He is an abhuman (Trans-human would be appropriate but since he cant have Kids it doesnt make any more sense to describe him as such than it does to describe Adeptus Astartes like that).
2) He is very protective of those around him.
3) He has issues that hurt his psyche (Losing Yennifer, fighting all his life, dealing with mistrust for abhumans all his life).

These points could be used to draw similarities to Stereotypical Action Heroes such as Spider Man (who follows 1 & 2 at least), the Hulk (all 3), Batman (2 and 3). As such his character isnt original, but that is hardly of any relevence since the last original character was created in 1904 and every character made since then can be drawn as being a rehash/combination of previous characters.

I never found myself saying 'Geralt is so stereotypical it hurts to hear his lines.' It was more 'Geralt is so boring and predictible.'

[Genshie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...





]Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

How youve twisted my words; Jesus ****ing Christ. This place is inhabited by children. The hulk? spiderman?

JESUS CHRIST. This place needs a God damn exorcist.

I didn't twist your words. You are praising a cut out and paste character like Geralt who is trying to be Batman or Rorschach. He is unoriginal. He brings nothing to the table at all. Since the player can't really mold his personality in the least bit which may be due to the amnesia he has that seems to fall upon most protagonist at one time or another.

He is trying to be Batman or Rorschach?  Really?  The fact that you said Batman and Rorschach are the same thing is just factually incorrect.  Rorschach is the same thing as Magog from Kingdom Come.  Freaking Nite Owl is closer to Batman than Rorschach is.  If Geralt can be either Batman or Rorschach that is a huge amount of personality molding.

When I stated Batman I meant in terms of personality which is flat with his voice and brooding tone. When I mentioned Rorschach I was referring to being a monster that has to do what he thinks is right. And Geralt kills people while saying its just while Nite Owl doesn't so I don't think that is a good comparison.

And can we stop using "factually". This conversation is starting to sound like a political debate with the word "fact(s)" being tossed everywhere.

Modifié par Genshie, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:26 .

[DreamwareStudio]

Time for me to get back to editing my novel. I just wanted to wish everyone (yes, even those with whom I argued/debated) a wonderful day/night depending on where you are. This was fun. I do enjoy a good thread.

Modifié par google_calasade, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:27 .

[WhiteThunder]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

But, this may come as another shock, but not everyone hated DAII. It was not the best game I played last year, but it was the best BioWare game since Baldur's Gate II.

See, this is why he's calling bull****.  Because no one can say that unironically.

Calling someone else's opinion invalid doesnt actually help your point. It just makes it seem like you have no legitimate arguement and thus resort to name calling.

TW2 was ok. I played it once, tried to get through a second playthrough and couldn't. Geralt was so... boring, I could barely relate to him. Combat was the worst though, I just leveled magic and threw fireballs everywhere and won. It had great graphics, and I actually liked Triss. The interactions with her throughout the story actually made her feel real. (I only sex'd Triss and then stayed faithful). The ending seemed very.. abrupt. Especially since the Bad Guy you were chasing the whole game turns out to be a mercenary with no real motivation besides money (might be realistic, but realistic isn't always what makes great stories).
As for the whole backstory... I never read and probably never will read any Witcher novels so the backstory made little to no sense to me. Nilfgaard being some big bad evil in the last act is very contrived and never explained. They could have done a much better job introducing the world to you.

Why would anyone take the time to introduce the world to Geralt of Rivia? That the other characters treat you like you're he, not just someone just off the boat is a point in the game's favor.

And you have a point, I'm sorry for stooping to Ishmael's level of being rude instead of advancing a legitimate argument.

[Bfler]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

As for the whole backstory... I never read and probably never will read any Witcher novels so the backstory made little to no sense to me. Nilfgaard being some big bad evil in the last act is very contrived and never explained. They could have done a much better job introducing the world to you.

Nilfgaard is äquivalent of Germany during WW2 in the books. 
In the last book there is open war against all the others and Nilfgaard is the loser. I think the battle described in that book is something like Stalingrad. After that we have, like at the end of WW2, mass expulsion of the Nilfgaardian population.
There is also something similar to the Molotow-Ribbentrop pact between Nilfgaard und Kaedwen before that war.

Only thing I don't understand is, that at the end of the books Gerald dies and the games play after his resurrection and Nilfgaard is still able to launch an attack.

Modifié par Bfler, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:32 .