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[WhiteThunder]

Genshie wrote...
And Geralt kills people while saying its just while Batman doesn't so I don't think that is a good comparison. 

FTFY.

[Genshie]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Genshie wrote...





]Are you serious? You are aren't you? That is simply not true. A philosopher...Really... You are saying I am simply incorrect and fatually false when you just make a big ass assumption like that. His character of being a "A monster, a scarred man, a man that must protect those who hunt him" is so overly used it is not even funny.... Watchmen, Spiderman, the Hulk, OMG BATMAN the list goes on and on and on... Geralt is bland and very stereotyped he is not original at all.

How youve twisted my words; Jesus ****ing Christ. This place is inhabited by children. The hulk? spiderman?

JESUS CHRIST. This place needs a God damn exorcist.

Interesting way to ignore the point they made. Swearing to distract from the fact you have no real reply isnt helpful to a discussion.

They were pointing out aspects of Geralts predifined character:
1) He is an abhuman (Trans-human would be appropriate but since he cant have Kids it doesnt make any more sense to describe him as such than it does to describe Adeptus Astartes like that).
2) He is very protective of those around him.
3) He has issues that hurt his psyche (Losing Yennifer, fighting all his life, dealing with mistrust for abhumans all his life).

These points could be used to draw similarities to Stereotypical Action Heroes such as Spider Man (who follows 1 & 2 at least), the Hulk (all 3), Batman (2 and 3). As such his character isnt original, but that is hardly of any relevence since the last original character was created in 1904 and every character made since then can be drawn as being a rehash/combination of previous characters.

I never found myself saying 'Geralt is so stereotypical it hurts to hear his lines.' It was more 'Geralt is so boring and predictible.'

Thank you and I am more for him just being very bland and uninteresting.

[Genshie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Genshie wrote...
And Geralt kills people while saying its just while Batman doesn't so I don't think that is a good comparison. 

FTFY.

While I appriciate that NiteOwl kills people? Sorry last time I checked in the original comic and movie he nor his predicesor does. Maybe in the comics? (I haven't read any of the new ones I do mean too though. I really do.)

[Kileyan]

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

[WhiteThunder]

Genshie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Genshie wrote...
And Geralt kills people while saying its just while Batman doesn't so I don't think that is a good comparison. 

FTFY.

While I appriciate that NiteOwl kills people? Sorry last time I checked in the original comic and movie he nor his predicesor does. Maybe in the comics? (I haven't read any of the new ones I do mean too though. I really do.)

I'm saying that Batman never, ever kills, which is why it's inane to compare him to Rorschach, a sociopath who can and will kill anyone that gets in his way.

(As to the new comics, Alan Moore specifically requested that they not be written, so I'm not even going to open one, haha)

[Genshie]

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

You could have pmed that and just saved your time. I am not the only one here you know that didn't like Witcher 2 or praising it to the gods. What is the point of your post besides pointing me out? 

[challenger18]

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

[Genshie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Genshie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Genshie wrote...
And Geralt kills people while saying its just while Batman doesn't so I don't think that is a good comparison. 

FTFY.

While I appriciate that NiteOwl kills people? Sorry last time I checked in the original comic and movie he nor his predicesor does. Maybe in the comics? (I haven't read any of the new ones I do mean too though. I really do.)

I'm saying that Batman never, ever kills, which is why it's inane to compare him to Rorschach, a sociopath who can and will kill anyone that gets in his way.

(As to the new comics, Alan Moore specifically requested that they not be written, so I'm not even going to open one, haha)

Sidenote: Reason I related Rorschach to Geralt is that they are both considered monsters by society. And the whole dark justice thing.
Oh that is unfortunate because I hear they really spent time on the new comics and that they are actually pretty good. I don't know if they are good I am just going on word of mouth from other people.

[WhiteThunder]

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

So what you're saying is that you responded to his post without reading all of it?

[BrookerT]

Well, Geralt as a character is pre-set and fully auto-dialogged so thats not the best place to look.
The games combat system is massively unbalanced. Spam Quen and no matter what mode you on you will not die.
The games suffers from bad character writing, I don't mean their personal stories, but what they say in conversations
It's rather sexist in places
The story itself is taken from the books, so if anything, Bioware should copy the writer.

If you mean by their commitment to fans then yes, thats a good way to take influence, but not TW2.

[The Night Haunter]

WhiteThunder wrote...

*snippity snip*
Why would anyone take the time to introduce the world to Geralt of Rivia? That the other characters treat you like you're he, not just someone just off the boat is a point in the game's favor.

And you have a point, I'm sorry for stooping to Ishmael's level of being rude instead of advancing a legitimate argument.

I know, and I paradoxically agree that it would be odd/out of character for npc's to introduce elements of the back story to Geralt, who created/took part in much of that back story.

It's pretty much just an arguement against predefined characters. Theres no way to win for everyone. Some people want to be introduced to the back story (me) and some people enjoy the fact that people dont spell out what an elf is for Geralt (you). It just leaves some of the story (import parts even) out of the main conversations and instead you need to read them from books/codices.

It isn't a universal point against TW (2), but it was something I personally found made it harder to get into the story.

Anyway time for sleep so I'll leave by saying I am very, very looking forward to their upcoming CyberPunk game. Loved Deus Ex (all of em) and can't wait to see CDR's take on the subject

[Genshie]

challenger18 wrote...


You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

Which Saints Row are you referring to?

[WhiteThunder]

Genshie wrote...

Oh that is unfortunate because I hear they really spent time on the new comics and that they are actually pretty good. I don't know if they are good I am just going on word of mouth from other people.

Yeah, I'm sure they're excellent.  But I just think that DC violating Moore's explicit wishes is even worse than stuff like piracy.

[Genshie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

So what you're saying is that you responded to his post without reading all of it?

Sounded like a big sign just pointing to me for the most part and just repeating the bare minimal of the OPs point.

[challenger18]

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

So what you're saying is that you responded to his post without reading all of it?

(S)He mentions twice that the world feels more alive throughout the post making it a clear argument of something to take from TW2, that should tip you off I did read it. I bolded the portions for you. That was what I was responding to.

[WhiteThunder]

BrookerT wrote...

Well, Geralt as a character is pre-set and fully auto-dialogged so thats not the best place to look.
The games combat system is massively unbalanced. Spam Quen and no matter what mode you on you will not die.
The games suffers from bad character writing, I don't mean their personal stories, but what they say in conversations
It's rather sexist in places
The story itself is taken from the books, so if anything, Bioware should copy the writer.

If you mean by their commitment to fans then yes, thats a good way to take influence, but not TW2.

What about branching story arcs and choices that matter?  Are those important?  And the story itself is NOT taken from the books, it is an original story by CDPR with the writer's input.

[Genshie]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...
Anyway time for sleep so I'll leave by saying I am very, very looking forward to their upcoming CyberPunk game. Loved Deus Ex (all of em) and can't wait to see CDR's take on the subject

Its when they said Blade Runner that strung me.

[challenger18]

Genshie wrote...

challenger18 wrote...


You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

Which Saints Row are you referring to?

Mostly 2 actually.

[WhiteThunder]

challenger18 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? ]You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

So what you're saying is that you responded to his post without reading all of it?

(S)He mentions twice that the world feels more alive throughout the post making it a clear argument of something to take from TW2, that should tip you off I did read it. I bolded the portions for you. That was what I was responding to.

I bolded the portions for you, that's what I was responding to.

Modifié par WhiteThunder, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:46 .

[Genshie]

challenger18 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

challenger18 wrote...


You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

Which Saints Row are you referring to?

Mostly 2 actually.

You are a good man.

[challenger18]

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? ]You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

So what you're saying is that you responded to his post without reading all of it?

(S)He mentions twice that the world feels more alive throughout the post making it a clear argument of something to take from TW2, that should tip you off I did read it. I bolded the portions for you. That was what I was responding to.

I bolded the portions for you, that's what I was responding to.

Oh, I see. Good catch, bad wording on my part. Choices that matter is something that BioWare said they understand is a concern and something that they are going to fix in DA3 so ... I guess we will see how well that actually turns out.

Genshie wrote...

You are a good man.

Woman actually, but yeah. I was a bit disappointed in the direction they took SR3, ridiculous shenanigans excluded.

Modifié par challenger18, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:53 .

[WhiteThunder]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

*snippity snip*
Why would anyone take the time to introduce the world to Geralt of Rivia? That the other characters treat you like you're he, not just someone just off the boat is a point in the game's favor.

And you have a point, I'm sorry for stooping to Ishmael's level of being rude instead of advancing a legitimate argument.

I know, and I paradoxically agree that it would be odd/out of character for npc's to introduce elements of the back story to Geralt, who created/took part in much of that back story.

It's pretty much just an arguement against predefined characters. Theres no way to win for everyone. Some people want to be introduced to the back story (me) and some people enjoy the fact that people dont spell out what an elf is for Geralt (you). It just leaves some of the story (import parts even) out of the main conversations and instead you need to read them from books/codices.

It isn't a universal point against TW (2), but it was something I personally found made it harder to get into the story.

Anyway time for sleep so I'll leave by saying I am very, very looking forward to their upcoming CyberPunk game. Loved Deus Ex (all of em) and can't wait to see CDR's take on the subject

They did a better job of explaining the backstory in the original because they gave Geralt amnesia after his resurrection so he was being introduced back into the world along with you.  The original is only $10 on GOG if you want to pick it up.  It's 5 years old so it should be able to run on your PC even if you usually use your XBox for gaming.

[Genshie]

challenger18 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? ]You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

So what you're saying is that you responded to his post without reading all of it?

(S)He mentions twice that the world feels more alive throughout the post making it a clear argument of something to take from TW2, that should tip you off I did read it. I bolded the portions for you. That was what I was responding to.

I bolded the portions for you, that's what I was responding to.

Oh, I see. Good catch, bad wording on my part. Choices that matter is something that BioWare said they understand is a concern and something that they are going to fix in DA3 so ... I guess we will see how well that actually turns out.

I still say wait and see how the big choices resolve themselves in Witcher 3 before bowing down to them. 3 seems to be a nasty number for franchises.

[Kileyan]

challenger18 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

We get it Genshie, you have suceeded in making the entire thread about your dislike of Geralt.

Now move on, I guess you hate the choices and consequences as well? You hated the graphics, you didn't find the world more alive than DA2?

Bioware could learn something from Cdprojekt, that doesn't mean people are saying give us the same character and show us boobies! It certainly doesn't mean that everytime someone says the Witcher 2 world seemed more alive, that they really mean give me the same character as Witcher 2..........k?

So what you're saying is the only thing BioWare should take from the Witcher 2 is make the world more alive and have pretty graphics. That, to me, is not very specific to TW2. it has been said they will be taking from Skyrim, another game that has pretty pictures and an alive world. In fact I think it clear that that has a much more living world than the Witcher. You could also make these references in games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row, games that have worlds that feel alive.

Convenient, you missed the big part, a game with IMHO better choices and consequences........that happen within the same game, not silly cameos and emails in sequels 4 years later.

Hey whatever, I'm all for them taking from Skyrim, GTA or whatever, if it means a bigger world. Not little hubs of blandness and tiny paths you can walk on the represent the outdoor world. Bioware needs to take all those games into account for their future games. We probably don't need the cannon that fires strippers as ammo though. Leave that in Saints Row.......or make it a powerful relic magical item.

[Allan Schumacher]

This thread has left me banging my head against the desk.


First, when discussing a video game, expect that people are going to disagree with you. Insulting them or in any way being rude or obnoxious towards said posters is NOT acceptable. Deal with it

Second, if you're going to start tossing around the term sexist, you better damn well be using it properly. I do not care if you have zero problem bouncing back and forth between each gender in a video game. I personally rarely play female characters because I feel an innate disconnect with them. I always get the impression that I'm making my choices as a man playing a female, and all the stereotypes that go along with it. I struggle to overcome this and while female only protagonist is probably not a deal breaker for me, that it is for some people is NOT sexism.

Closing this thread because I'm not particularly interested in trying to clean it up.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .