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[Yalision]

So I've been wondering. Since Anders explodes the Chantry and whatnot, what kind of implications will this have for the Grey Wardens? I'm not sure if this has been heavily discussed, but even as an "ex" Grey Warden, Anders was still part of the order at one point, an apostate conscripted who otherwise likely would have been made tranquil in time. I can't imagine that the Chantry is very pleased with the order's tolerance of all things magic related *cough* blood magic *cough*. Lets face it, Anders was an abomination and Justice had become vengeance, just a step away from another run of the mill rage demon.

I think the Grey Wardens may have to defend themselves and be a little more involved this time around in the world's affairs?

Edit: Come to think of it, that would be a pretty good reason to bee looking for the Warden as well. Someone of his or her stature would certainly help to explain away the deeds of a former Warden, perhaps?

Modifié par Yalision, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[nightscrawl]

Yalision wrote...

Edit: Come to think of it, that would be a pretty good reason to bee looking for the Warden as well. Someone of his or her stature would certainly help to explain away the deeds of a former Warden, perhaps?

Especially if it's my mage Warden who saved Anders in the first place ;D.

Fun topic.

(In the following, I try to keep separate my character ("my Warden,") from myself as the player "I.")
As much as my canon play is a mage, my Warden wouldn't be able to offer an excuse for him. I've had head conversations, imagining how it would go were she to meet up with Anders after DA2. I can say that having heard about the events in Kirkwall, and then hearing from Anders himself about Justice (who she considered a friend from DAA,) my Warden would feel sorry for Anders, but would... not be pleased.

Actually, the biggest issue I have (as a player) is the time discrepancy between DAA, the Anders short story, and DA2. This, more than any other single thing about both games, really bothered me. My Warden was responsible for Anders being inducted into the Wardens. Why wasn't she there to prevent this happening to him? If she had been there, would it still have happened? I really feel that my Warden's role in Anders's fate got short-shrift -- this was probably out of necessity, but doesn't lessen the frustration.

I feel that my Warden should feel guilt for what happened to Anders, regardless of whether or not she was around. As Warden Commander, a mage, and his friend, I feel that she should have been able to protect him in some way.


I sort of digressed from your topic there... sorry.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 octobre 2012 - 10:43 .

[Sol Downer]

As a berserker and a reaver...my warden would feel the intense urge to lop Anders' head off, twice. But besides that...I don't think the Grey Wardens are to blame here. Mage's are always targets for demons, and like you said, Anders is an abomination. The Grey Wardens could most likely play it off.

"The Fade got him, such a shame. Next time don't let abominations blow up your stuff. Bye."

[Reznore57]

I'm not sure the whole chantry goes boom thing bothered grey wardens.
Anders wasn't part of the order anymore .

There's also Fiona , ex grey , who went on with the mage rebellion.

My guess is , Grey Wardens will be around because the darkspawn are up to something and they will look for informations.
Maybe they will found out a lot of things are related ...

It would be nice if Corypheus shows up , as he's a magister from the "original sin" .
He could know something that could bother the chantry and could be useful to wardens.

If the grey wardens and chantry clash because of something like that (informations really important to defeat the blight , but that would hurt the chantry's teaching ) ,i think , it would be great.

[Potato Cat]

Grey Wardens would still be heroes after the Blight, so I imagine people would focus on the whole mage and abomination thing.

By the way, do the vast populace know it was Anders? Meredith, Orsino and their cronies obviously knew, but they're dead. The only person who would reallu know and spread it like wildfire would be Sebastien and even he's DLC.

[Dio Demon]

Well the Grey Wardens have Mages within their ranks, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Templars killing Warden Mages.

[Sol Downer]

Conflict of interest, there are Grey Warden templars, and since the wardens stand as a brotherhood they would need to kill the templars too. If they're going to attack the wardens then they better be prepared.

[nightscrawl]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Well the Grey Wardens have Mages within their ranks, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Templars killing Warden Mages.

Ultimashade wrote...

Conflict of interest, there are Grey Warden templars, and since the wardens stand as a brotherhood they would need to kill the templars too. If they're going to attack the wardens then they better be prepared.

I agree with both of these. It's my understanding that the templars going rogue was not organized, and that different groups of templars went off to do their own hunting, led by different commanders (not necessarily Knight-Commander rank, but any commanding officer who chose to lead such a group). So with that in mind, I think there will be some who are more wary of the Wardens than others, regardless of whether a specific unit of Wardens has a mage or not.

With the Wardens use of mages and their "anything it takes to win" mentality, I think they will eventually have to make a decision. Do they just lay low and hope that this conflict doesn't come knocking at their door, relying on the supposed Grey Warden neutrality (we tested this in DAO, didn't we?) to get them through? Do they choose a side for the greater good of Thedas (because ultimately, that is their highest concern)? If so, which side do they choose? The side they think will win, thus leading to a faster resolution of the conflict? What of the mages in their own ranks?

With the events in Legacy possibly tying into this conflict, in addition to various comments made by Nathaniel during DA2, I'm really hoping that we are going to see some Grey Warden action, even though the game primarily centers around the mage/templar war (we need a fancy name for this.)

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:44 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yalision wrote...

So I've been wondering. Since Anders explodes the Chantry and whatnot, what kind of implications will this have for the Grey Wardens? I'm not sure if this has been heavily discussed, but even as an "ex" Grey Warden, Anders was still part of the order at one point, an apostate conscripted who otherwise likely would have been made tranquil in time. I can't imagine that the Chantry is very pleased with the order's tolerance of all things magic related *cough* blood magic *cough*. Lets face it, Anders was an abomination and Justice had become vengeance, just a step away from another run of the mill rage demon.

I think the Grey Wardens may have to defend themselves and be a little more involved this time around in the world's affairs?

Edit: Come to think of it, that would be a pretty good reason to bee looking for the Warden as well. Someone of his or her stature would certainly help to explain away the deeds of a former Warden, perhaps?

The Wardens had already washed their hands of him. If memory serves they greenlighted Anders the second Justice entered him.

[Solmanian]

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Solmanian wrote...

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

Please don't. I'm already involved with one thread revolving around never finding Duncan's body.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Solmanian wrote...

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

Duncan has nothing to do with it.  It has been said multiple times by Gaider that Duncan is dead and not coming back. EVER.

[nightscrawl]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

Duncan has nothing to do with it.  It has been said multiple times by Gaider that Duncan is dead and not coming back. EVER.

Yes... and in case you need actual proof, here it is...

David Gaider wrote...

It's rather silly that I have to keep repeating this, but:

Duncan is dead. He will not be coming back. Ever.

I wouldn't be surprised if Solmanian was trolling us, but you never know.

[Maria Caliban]

Solmanian wrote...

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

A compelling theory.

It's sad to see my fellow forumites close their minds to the possibility that Duncan has been pulling the strings all along.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

A compelling theory.

It's sad to see my fellow forumites close their minds to the possibility that Duncan has been pulling the strings all along.

It's not our closed minds.  Tell me how do you think a dead man would be able to do this? He didn't know how the battle would play out and that Calian would die.  He also hardly knew you and didn't know who you would choose to put on the throne.  If you choose to make Anora queen and you don't marry her, then no grey warden would be on the throne.

Modifié par Rpgfantasyplayer, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .

[Maria Caliban]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

Tell me how do you think a dead man would be able to do this?

The same way a dead man can blow up the Chantry.

Death is merely a stepping-stone to true power for a man like Duncan.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

I'm betting Duncan is behind all this. We never find his body, and I won't be surprised if the whole civil war in fereldan was part of a scheme to put a grey warden on the throne.

A compelling theory.

It's sad to see my fellow forumites close their minds to the possibility that Duncan has been pulling the strings all along.

Seriously, you have both been playing too much BG.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

Tell me how do you think a dead man would be able to do this?

The same way a dead man can blow up the Chantry.

Death is merely a stepping-stone to true power for a man like Duncan.

For a man that is dead as dead can get and will not be coming back, then there is no stepping stone of power.  There is no point arguing that Duncan can come back when myself and another poster in this thread had stated and posted what Gaider has said about Duncan.  As much as we might love Duncan, he is not coming back.

[Shadow Fox]

....I'm pretty sure it was a JOKE.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

....I'm pretty sure it was a JOKE.

Is that something you eat?

[Maria Caliban]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

For a man that is dead as dead can get and will not be coming back, then there is no stepping stone of power.  There is no point arguing that Duncan can come back when myself and another poster in this thread had stated and posted what Gaider has said about Duncan.  As much as we might love Duncan, he is not coming back.

1) What Gaider says on these forums isn't engraved in stone above the BioWare offices. He's told us this time and time again, but people continue to treat what he says as gospel. The fact is that plans change and what seems like a good idea now might not be a good idea five years from now.

2) David is tricksy. You're assuming because he said A that B and C are also true. This is the same as people who claim 'David said there wouldn't be companions' when what David said was the survey has inaccuracies.

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

....I'm pretty sure it was a JOKE.

This is a serious discussion.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 octobre 2012 - 07:15 .

[Shadow Fox]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

For a man that is dead as dead can get and will not be coming back, then there is no stepping stone of power.  There is no point arguing that Duncan can come back when myself and another poster in this thread had stated and posted what Gaider has said about Duncan.  As much as we might love Duncan, he is not coming back.

1) What Gaider says on these forums isn't engraved in stone above the BioWare offices. He's told us this time and time again, but people continue to treat what he says as gospel. The fact is that plans change and what seems like a good idea now might not be a good idea five years from now.

2) David is tricksy. You're assuming because he said A that B and C are also true. This is the same as people who claim 'David said there wouldn't be companions' when what David said was the survey has inaccuracies.

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

....I'm pretty sure it was a JOKE.

This is a serious discussion.

Riiiight totally serious.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 30 octobre 2012 - 07:20 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

For a man that is dead as dead can get and will not be coming back, then there is no stepping stone of power.  There is no point arguing that Duncan can come back when myself and another poster in this thread had stated and posted what Gaider has said about Duncan.  As much as we might love Duncan, he is not coming back.

1) What Gaider says on these forums isn't engraved in stone above the BioWare offices. He's told us this time and time again, but people continue to treat what he says as gospel. The fact is that plans change and what seems like a good idea now might not be a good idea five years from now.

Possible, but he seems pretty definite on this one. Besides, the post you were replying to implies that its the current plan. David Gaider was denying that eight ways to hell hours ago.

2) David is tricksy. You're assuming because he said A that B and C are also true. This is the same as people who claim 'David said there wouldn't be companions' when what David said was the survey has inaccuracies.

No, he was perfectly clear. It's hard to misinterpret what he said.

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

....I'm pretty sure it was a JOKE.

This is a serious discussion.

In my case, I drift back and forth.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 30 octobre 2012 - 07:22 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

For a man that is dead as dead can get and will not be coming back, then there is no stepping stone of power.  There is no point arguing that Duncan can come back when myself and another poster in this thread had stated and posted what Gaider has said about Duncan.  As much as we might love Duncan, he is not coming back.

1) What Gaider says on these forums isn't engraved in stone above the BioWare offices. He's told us this time and time again, but people continue to treat what he says as gospel. The fact is that plans change and what seems like a good idea now might not be a good idea five years from now.

2) David is tricksy. You're assuming because he said A that B and C are also true. This is the same as people who claim 'David said there wouldn't be companions' when what David said was the survey has inaccuracies.

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

....I'm pretty sure it was a JOKE.

This is a serious discussion.

I am not going to argue this point with you.  Since he has said it about a million times, I tend to believe that we won't see Duncan again.  I am not assuming anything with that statement.  It has come directly from Gaider himself.  And since Duncan is a character he wrote, I would take that as gospel.

[Beerfish]

The Grey Wardens need to be put in their place. They take the brightest and best of our people and end up killing 2/3's of them before they even become grey wardens. We do not need a host of Grey Wardens, only a very very few. they operate above the laws of god and man and need to be reigned in.