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[Yalision]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

My Warden would tell the Chantry to suck it and get over it lol
Seriously though knowing the chantry it wouldn't surprise me if they find some way to blame the Grey Wardens(even though Anders is no longer part of the order)....Also Justice isn't a demon he has become a spirit of vengeance.Veangeance could be considered a form of justice,So he's still Justice just more violent

I'd say that Vengeance is way more interesting that that. What do you get when you have justice and rage in the same room? Vengeance. I think Justice was well on his way to becoming a typical rage demon.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Yalision wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

My Warden would tell the Chantry to suck it and get over it lol
Seriously though knowing the chantry it wouldn't surprise me if they find some way to blame the Grey Wardens(even though Anders is no longer part of the order)....Also Justice isn't a demon he has become a spirit of vengeance.Veangeance could be considered a form of justice,So he's still Justice just more violent

I'd say that Vengeance is way more interesting that that. What do you get when you have justice and rage in the same room? Vengeance. I think Justice was well on his way to becoming a typical rage demon.

Can spirits even become demons?????

[Archyyy]

I dont see why anyone would see Anders as a warden anymore. And him blowing up the chantry had nothing to do with him being a warden. Besides I agreed with him about blowing up the chantry. Servers the stuck up, oppressive, religious morons right. Thedas would be better off without the chantry.

And justice becoming vengeance only strenghtens his devotion. Vengeance is justice driven by emotion. Emotion behind a just goal just makes him reach for justice harder. Nothing wrong with some hate and anger as long as theyre under control. Also as far as I know spirits cant become demons.

Modifié par Archyyy, 03 novembre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Rinshikai10]

Archyyy wrote...

I dont see why anyone would see Anders as a warden anymore. And him blowing up the chantry had nothing to do with him being a warden. Besides I agreed with him about blowing up the chantry. Servers the stuck up, oppressive, religious morons right. Thedas would be better off without the chantry.

And justice becoming vengeance only strenghtens his devotion. Vengeance is justice driven by emotion. Emotion behind a just goal just makes him reach for justice harder. Nothing wrong with some hate and anger as long as theyre under control. Also as far as I know spirits cant become demons.

From my understanding once you become a warden it is until death.

Seeing that Anders is a Warden, they may be forced to act due to his actions.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yalision wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

My Warden would tell the Chantry to suck it and get over it lol
Seriously though knowing the chantry it wouldn't surprise me if they find some way to blame the Grey Wardens(even though Anders is no longer part of the order)....Also Justice isn't a demon he has become a spirit of vengeance.Veangeance could be considered a form of justice,So he's still Justice just more violent

I'd say that Vengeance is way more interesting that that. What do you get when you have justice and rage in the same room? Vengeance. I think Justice was well on his way to becoming a typical rage demon.

Can spirits even become demons?????

They are essentially the same, they just emphasize different aspects of human experience. So now that Justice has lost his moral center and become Vengeance, I would argue that he's proof of concept for what you describe.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

krul2k wrote...

are wardens sufficent in number to be a threat to anyone? be it templar or mage factions

If memory serves, 100 Wardens is the equivalent of a normal army. And the Wardens are strong enough in their backyard that a lot of the people think they should rule outright.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Yalision wrote...

So I've been wondering. Since Anders explodes the Chantry and whatnot, what kind of implications will this have for the Grey Wardens? I'm not sure if this has been heavily discussed, but even as an "ex" Grey Warden, Anders was still part of the order at one point, an apostate conscripted who otherwise likely would have been made tranquil in time. I can't imagine that the Chantry is very pleased with the order's tolerance of all things magic related *cough* blood magic *cough*. Lets face it, Anders was an abomination and Justice had become vengeance, just a step away from another run of the mill rage demon.

I think the Grey Wardens may have to defend themselves and be a little more involved this time around in the world's affairs?

Edit: Come to think of it, that would be a pretty good reason to bee looking for the Warden as well. Someone of his or her stature would certainly help to explain away the deeds of a former Warden, perhaps?

I'm guessing that Anders' short story happened when the Warden went to find and fight the Harverster in the deep roads and also on the hunt for Morrigan.  I think this is when Anders and his fight with the Warden Templar happened.  Just my best guess.  Something that does bother me is when you play Awakenings and before the King/Queen arrives you run into a Warden by the name of Rowan or Rowland?  Was he the one to try to get to Anders?  I'll have to go back and read Anders short story again.   Doesn't Anders' short story say that this Warden Templar joined the Warden's to get to Anders?  This is what I thought at least. 

I'm wondering if Stroud was the Commander of the Grey newly named in Ferelden, once our Warden disappears and this is the favor that Stroud gives to Anders regarding Bethany/Carver into the Grey Wardens.  I hope we get some information on the Wardens and Chantry attitude toward each other since Ander's pie in the sky moment.  I hope we do for DA3.  My Wardens are very upset with Anders and he/she will kill him on sight if Hawke let him go or stabbed him.  That is not the way you repay a friendship Anders.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 06 novembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[Palidane]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

krul2k wrote...

are wardens sufficent in number to be a threat to anyone? be it templar or mage factions

If memory serves, 100 Wardens is the equivalent of a normal army. And the Wardens are strong enough in their backyard that a lot of the people think they should rule outright.

Yep. 300 in Orlais, 1000 more in the Anderfels, anywhere from a few dozen to a few hundred in the other nations.

I think they will get some heat, especially since in my playthrough's two grey wardens fought alongside the rebel Mages. But since Orlais is in a civil war, the Chantry no longer has a military, and the templars and mages are too busy killing each other, no one really can spare the men to throw down with the Wardens.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

While I do support freedom of mages with my canon Hawke what Anders did was completely out line.