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[jtav]

Cheerfully admit it doesn't make sense. But the science stopped making sense in ME2. I just sort of go with it.

Modifié par jtav, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:01 .

[Armass81]

jtav wrote...

Cheerfully admit it doesn't make sense. But the science stopped making sense in ME2. I just sprt of go with it.

That it did, the Lazarus Project being the first thing. But I guess fans overlooked it, despite how stupid it was for shepard being resurrected.

[xAmilli0n]

jtav wrote...

Cheerfully admit it doesn't make sense. But the science stopped making sense in ME2. I just sprt of go with it.

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Okay, I can live with that.

[CosmicGnosis]

FOX216BC wrote...

@CosmicGnosis after reading and seenig all of your last polls and topics...
oh, you little synthesis crusader you.

But really, I like certain aspects of Synthesis. The problem is that Synthesis sabotages itself by forcing a change on the entire galaxy. That's pretty despicable. I hate it. And because of that, I may have to reject Synthesis as my canon choice.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Reap_ii]

clennon8 wrote...

When examined in a vacuum, the concepts of synthesis and transhumanism are not inherently bad. At least, I don't think so.

But context matters.

The hundred hours leading up to the ending weren't just about shooting things. There were lessons being taught. Lessons about the Reapers and how they operate. About indoctrination. You were given notable examples of villains who were fooled into thinking they could control the Reapers or join with them. You had to put them down, the poor deluded fools.

Then, at the end, there was a pop quiz. It wasn't even all that subtle. The grand puppeteer of the Reapers tried to distract you from accomplishing your goal by offering up the same exact fantasies that TIM and Saren bought into.  The. Same. Exact. Ones.

Were you paying attention? Did you pass the test?  Or did you give in to the Reapers?

 
^this sums up how i feel as well.   in the context of he game, Destroy felt like the only option that remained thematically true to the series.  the other 2 choices just felt wrong.

[xAmilli0n]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

@CosmicGnosis after reading and seenig all of your last polls and topics...
oh, you little synthesis crusader you.

But really, I like certain aspects of Synthesis. The problem is that Synthesis sabotages itself by forcing a change on the entire galaxy. That's pretty despicable. I hate it. And because of that, I may have to reject Synthesis as my canon choice.

*cough* pick control *cough*

[jtav]

Think of Synthesis this way. It changes potential, not identity. It's still up to you what you do with it. You're only going to get the Tuchanka slide you posted with Wrex in charge. Would it be acceptable under ordinary circumstances? No. But all endings force a change.

[ghost9191]

jtav wrote...

Precisely. What people really want to be free of I think, is the idea of an outside force guiding our development. Only Control has anything like that, and it's debatable there.

it can be argued for synthesis. it is obvious for control.

the reapers will have the knowledge, they will be able to give it to whomever they choose. influence what they learn and how they advance. having them develope the way they wish., kinda like synthesis in the first place:huh:
wouldn't be surprised if they went all leviathan or protheans, make lesser races slaves and demand tribute who knows

so they will have influence over races, as with control . only ending where they do not is destroy because well they are destroyed. that and refuse but well doesn't matter much

[CosmicGnosis]

xAmilli0n wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

@CosmicGnosis after reading and seenig all of your last polls and topics...
oh, you little synthesis crusader you.

But really, I like certain aspects of Synthesis. The problem is that Synthesis sabotages itself by forcing a change on the entire galaxy. That's pretty despicable. I hate it. And because of that, I may have to reject Synthesis as my canon choice.

*cough* pick control *cough*

That's becoming a very real possibility. Control has always been the ending I like the least, however, because it maintains the status quo. Synthesis and Destroy bring significant change to the galaxy. Control is just a regime change. Shepard inherits the legacy of the Leviathans and the Catalyst and becomes the new overlord.

I'd rather remove the overlords entirely, or take their power and give it to everyone.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:10 .

[CosmicGnosis]

jtav wrote...

Think of Synthesis this way. It changes potential, not identity. It's still up to you what you do with it. You're only going to get the Tuchanka slide you posted with Wrex in charge. Would it be acceptable under ordinary circumstances? No. But all endings force a change.

What exactly happens if Wreav is in charge and Synthesis is chosen?

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:14 .

[jtav]

You get a lesser version of rebuilding slide with no cities and EDI talks about how even the most shattered cultures will eventually see the benefits. So it sounds as if the krogan eventually told Wreav to screw off because things were getting better.

[xAmilli0n]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

That's becoming a very real possibility. Control has always been the ending I like the least, however, because it maintains the status quo. Synthesis and Destroy bring significant change to the galaxy. Control is just a regime change. Shepard inherits the legacy of the Leviathans and the Catalyst and becomes the new overlord.

I'd rather remove the overlords entirely, or take their power and give it to everyone.

Ah, but this is where there is so much potential in Control.  Sure, Shepard inherits the the legacy of the Leviathans or the Catlyst, but she is independent of them.  The fate of these Overlords can vary greatly depending on how you want to take it.

An example:

Shepard, after repairing the damage caused by the Crucible leaves the Reapers in the Galaxy to "protect the many."  After many years (centuries?) She realized she was doing more harm by staying, and orders the Reapers to disappear, never to be seen again.  Yay, happy ending.

Another example:

After centuries of protecting the many, Shepard has slowly lost all sense of who she was.  She has finally come to a problem she cannot solve: How to protect the many, from themselves.  She goes rogue, bringing death and destruction to the galaxy like the stories that were once told about the Reapers.  Worst case scenario

And you can come up with many variations in between.  The Overlords are as present as you want them to be, and the future is as positive (or bleak) as you want it to be.  I don't think any other ending has this much potential.

/hijack of thread to promote Control

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:22 .

[ghost9191]

jtav wrote...

You get a lesser version of rebuilding slide with no cities and EDI talks about how even the most shattered cultures will eventually see the benefits. So it sounds as if the krogan eventually told Wreav to screw off because things were getting better.

pretty sure that can be seen in multiple ways . i mean it probably isn't and not saying it is . but that sounds like brainwashing , indoctrination if you will

in time they will come to believe what we do .  but just aying it can be interpreted in a number of ways

[ghost9191]

xAmilli0n wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

That's becoming a very real possibility. Control has always been the ending I like the least, however, because it maintains the status quo. Synthesis and Destroy bring significant change to the galaxy. Control is just a regime change. Shepard inherits the legacy of the Leviathans and the Catalyst and becomes the new overlord.

I'd rather remove the overlords entirely, or take their power and give it to everyone.

Ah, but this is where there is so much potential in Control.  Sure, Shepard inherits the the legacy of the Leviathans or the Catlyst, but she is independent of them.  The fate of these Overlords can vary greatly depending on how you want to take it.

An example:

Shepard, after repairing the damage caused by the Crucible leaves the Reapers in the Galaxy to "protect the many."  After many years (centuries?) She realized she was doing more harm by staying, and orders the Reapers to disappear, never to be seen again.  Yay, happy ending.

Another example:
*snip* cause it is negative towards control,. and you call yourself a supporter

/hijack of thread to promote Control

that to me would be sad and depressing, shepalyst leaving, no longer ( yeah it is ai of shep but still ) seeing old kind and what not , just alone in darkspace. with a bunch of machine that do nothing but talk about how awesome shepalyst is

[CosmicGnosis]

xAmilli0n wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

That's becoming a very real possibility. Control has always been the ending I like the least, however, because it maintains the status quo. Synthesis and Destroy bring significant change to the galaxy. Control is just a regime change. Shepard inherits the legacy of the Leviathans and the Catalyst and becomes the new overlord.

I'd rather remove the overlords entirely, or take their power and give it to everyone.

Ah, but this is where there is so much potential in Control.  Sure, Shepard inherits the the legacy of the Leviathans or the Catlyst, but she is independent of them.  The fate of these Overlords can vary greatly depending on how you want to take it.

An example:

Shepard, after repairing the damage caused by the Crucible leaves the Reapers in the Galaxy to "protect the many."  After many years (centuries?) She realized she was doing more harm by staying, and orders the Reapers to disappear, never to be seen again.  Yay, happy ending.

Another example:

After centuries of protecting the many, Shepard has slowly lost all sense of who she was.  She has finally come to a problem she cannot solve: How to protect the many, from themselves.  She goes rogue, bringing death and destruction to the galaxy like the stories that were once told about the Reapers.  Worst case scenario

And you can come up with many variations in between.  The Overlords are as present as you want them to be, and the future is as positive (or bleak) as you want it to be.  I don't think any other ending has this much potential.

/hijack of thread to promote Control

I... don't know.

[xAmilli0n]

ghost9191 wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Ah, but this is where there is so much potential in Control.  Sure, Shepard inherits the the legacy of the Leviathans or the Catlyst, but she is independent of them.  The fate of these Overlords can vary greatly depending on how you want to take it.

An example:

Shepard, after repairing the damage caused by the Crucible leaves the Reapers in the Galaxy to "protect the many."  After many years (centuries?) She realized she was doing more harm by staying, and orders the Reapers to disappear, never to be seen again.  Yay, happy ending.

Another example:
*snip* cause it is negative towards control,. and you call yourself a supporter

/hijack of thread to promote Control

that to me would be sad and depressing, shepalyst leaving, no longer ( yeah it is ai of shep but still ) seeing old kind and what not , just alone in darkspace. with a bunch of machine that do nothing but talk about how awesome shepalyst is

lol, only two examples I came up with on the fly, but still two valid potential results of Control.  Lots of room to interpret your own.  As for the negative version, just because its a bad result doesn't mean its not good.  The potential for it to go bad is one of the appeals of Control (at least for me).  The idea of Shepard giving up literally everything she was to try and save the galaxy, but it still wasn't enough, is incredibly tragic...and I love every bit of it

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:43 .

[ghost9191]

yeah would be nice for a you lose scenario for each, kinda like low ems destroy. maybe you fail at controlling or something, idk

[Steelcan]

I am just going to mention that in Synthesis Wreav no longer starts a war. Clearly HE HAS BEEN CHANGED. Synthesis changes who we are. It is also a compromise with the reapers. Some people may like that idea of saving the reapers. I don't. Synthesis didnt exist until Glowstick told you about it. And he cannot be trusted.

That said I like the end result of synthesis. I just don't like certain parts of it
-Shepard has the right to force it on everyone
-Vitalism
-It implies an acceptance of the Catalyst's bullsh*t
-EDI's narration is just bad....
-Synthesis changes who people are, don't believe me look at Wreav after the genophage is cured and synthesis happens
I got more reasons but ill post them later

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Let's look at some pictures. All three slides are exclusive to the Synthesis ending.


"... to recover the greatness that was lost... and surpass it."

That still bothers the **** out of me...
They restored the city of the ancients, and then just built over it with no regard for cultural or historical value...
It's disconcerting at best...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:13 .

[ghost9191]

the leaves, dear god would someone think of the LEAVES


oh and there is javik .. .

Modifié par ghost9191, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:14 .

[EnvyTB075]

Simple, those slides are to appease you people who are willing to think about everything skin deep. "Oh look, everyones happy, geez everything must be fine".

If you seriously think that living with the Reapers as your "friends", after what they've done, is going to work out you've got one heck of a surprise coming. Just think about it, would YOU be ok working with them if they had turned your friends and family into husks?

Yeah thats gonna work out brilliantly

[Sovereign330]

Being repulsed by synthesis is fine. Saying synthesis is objectively and factually bad because you're repulsed is not.

[Sovereign330]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Simple, those slides are to appease you people who are willing to think about everything skin deep. "Oh look, everyones happy, geez everything must be fine".

If you seriously think that living with the Reapers as your "friends", after what they've done, is going to work out you've got one heck of a surprise coming. Just think about it, would YOU be ok working with them if they had turned your friends and family into husks?

Yeah thats gonna work out brilliantly

Japan and the United States are getting along fine and we dropped two mega deuces on them back in the 40s...and we put them in internment camps...Just saying

[ghost9191]

98% that doesn't really compare sovereign . and as garrus said, there will be alot of angry orphans out there. ppl wouldn't be so willing to forgive. the next generation ( that is if there is one ) might but not the current


as for your first post, didn't we determine all options are bad. and having a repulsive option probably does make it bad. reason it repulses you right

[jstme]

Slides are not enough to convince me that removing all organic life from existence is a positive thing.
Imagine that some hologram kid will make an offer one can't refuse to UN about releasing virus that will cause irreversible mutations in all life forms so that it will be easier to connect to internet. Few cool slides from the future will certainly not convince me it is a good idea.