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[David Gaider]

Giltspur wrote...
I imagine she'll stay dead in those imports.  Bioware probably wants to limit their use of the resurrection fairy to really special cases as opposed to doing it willy nilly.

I suppose if someone wants to use Leliana as the poster child for why death has no meaning in the entire DA universe, that's fine. Extreme, sure, but one doesn't really expect anything to not be blown completely out of proportion when it comes to arguments on the Internet... particularly since, yes, we could conceivably have anyone's apparent death turn out to something else, whether that death was ambiguous or not.

Chances are not good that we'll do that, not unless there is some compelling reason to do so. Whether there is a compelling reason for Merrill specifically is, I suppose, something you'll simply need to fret about for the many months to come. I'll neither confirm nor deny it.

[hitenchi]

Terrorize69 wrote...


Your party members and even the PC can be reduced to zero HP and fall to the ground dead, yet they stand up when no enemies are nearby.

It should be noted that 0hp is not dead guys, it is unconscious, which is why you can get back up after the fight, i.e.- your friends have had enough time to get you up or healed by magic, but you are not dead. Which is why you can get back up, but if all of you go down the enemies have the ability to finish you off or you bleed out. I think the unconscious thing is mentioned in DA and since DA like all rpgs is based on D&D really, it would suggest that the reason above is why you can get up, Also should mean that you would check that the person was dead and finish them off or they just bleed out. The leliana retcon is allowable because as her party member there is a good chance you probably didnt brutatly finish her off and she was right by the urn, even if it was corrupted. Though i dont see why it was needed, its not like she was needed or was really important other than that she might be important in DA3 i mean she is in it for like 5 mins and they could of replaced her with anyone, maybe with morigan , i say because i am pretty sure you can't kill her or i never have.

[thats1evildude]

Characters who have returned after being killed in DAO and Awakening:
Leliana
Oghren
Anders/Justice (kinda)
Flemeth (though her re-appearance was justified)

Characters who have remained dead after being killed in DAO:
Alistair
Loghain
Wynne
Zevran (his re-appearance in DA2 is due to a bug)
Shale
Sten
Dog
Cailan
Duncan
Jory
Daveth
The Tower Guard
Connor
Isolde
Caitlin
Bella
Tomas
Murdock
Zathrian
Zathrian's clan
Lanaya
Tamlen
Harrowmont
Jowan
Jarvia
Leske
Bhelen
Branka
Caridin
Kolgrim
Uldred
Witherfang
Swiftrunner
Bann Vaughan
Arl Howe
Riordan
The Archdemon
Seneschal Varel
Sigrun
Velanna
Nathaniel
Mhairi
The Baroness
The First
The Lost
The Herald
The Messenger
Utha
The Architect
The Mother
All NPCs killed during the Origin stories
Various minor NPCs killed during DAO and Awakening
The five other Wardens not recruited by Duncan

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:38 .

[Terrorize69]

hitenchi wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...


Your party members and even the PC can be reduced to zero HP and fall to the ground dead, yet they stand up when no enemies are nearby.

It should be noted that 0hp is not dead guys, it is unconscious, which is why you can get back up after the fight, i.e.- your friends have had enough time to get you up or healed by magic, but you are not dead. Which is why you can get back up, but if all of you go down the enemies have the ability to finish you off or you bleed out. I think the unconscious thing is mentioned in DA and since DA like all rpgs is based on D&D really, it would suggest that the reason above is why you can get up, Also should mean that you would check that the person was dead and finish them off or they just bleed out. The leliana retcon is allowable because as her party member there is a good chance you probably didnt brutatly finish her off and she was right by the urn, even if it was corrupted. Though i dont see why it was needed, its not like she was needed or was really important other than that she might be important in DA3 i mean she is in it for like 5 mins and they could of replaced her with anyone, maybe with morigan , i say because i am pretty sure you can't kill her or i never have.

There ya go just because Hawke reduces Merrills HP to zero, doesn't mean shes dead.

[KisielTJ]

Bioware should really stop adding pointless ways to slay companions. I'm 100% with deaths like Anders or Zevran, as the choice is pretty clean. Howether, only small group of players actually kill Merill, Orghen, Lelienia ect. yet beacouse of that Bioware can only either reduce their apperance in future games to brief cameo or break retcon, either way some players will be upset.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Well if death retcons are gonna happen, I can think of no character I'd like it to happen to more then Merrill. The more of her the better as far as I'm concerned. =)

And honestly, I don't really mind it happening. Anders and Liliana basically say "they thought I was dead huh? lol" and that's enough of an excuse to let it slide imo. Stuff like that does happen irl after all. People are thought to be dead later to show up alive for a variety of reasons. If a character has more potential to add to the story then by all means bring em back to do it.

At least they aren't doing what Star Wars has had a tendency to do with their retcons where they essentially just pretend the original event never even happened.

[The_11thDoctor]

Just how and why would you kill Merril?! She's a bit simple, but killing her? Wow...

[Doctoglethorpe]

aang001 wrote...

Just how and why would you kill Merril?! She's a bit simple, but killing her? Wow...

Some people are just jerks.

[BouncyFrag]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

aang001 wrote...

Just how and why would you kill Merril?! She's a bit simple, but killing her? Wow...

Some people are just jerks.

Or they just couldn't stand her.

[Kerilus]

aang001 wrote...

Just how and why would you kill Merril?! She's a bit simple, but killing her? Wow...

How about consorting with demons, betrayed Hawke in the process, and later indirectly caused the death of the keeper of her clan due to such stubborness, AFTER realizing the demons are completely capable of tricking her?
Well, to be fair if Merethari pulled that stick out of her arse and asked Hawke for help with defeating the Pride demon instead of facing him herself....

Modifié par Kerilus, 02 novembre 2012 - 02:19 .

[DreamwareStudio]

David Gaider wrote...

I suppose if someone wants to use Leliana as the poster child for why death has no meaning in the entire DA universe, that's fine. Extreme, sure, but one doesn't really expect anything to not be blown completely out of proportion when it comes to arguments on the Internet... particularly since, yes, we could conceivably have anyone's apparent death turn out to something else, whether that death was ambiguous or not.

Chances are not good that we'll do that, not unless there is some compelling reason to do so. Whether there is a compelling reason for Merrill specifically is, I suppose, something you'll simply need to fret about for the many months to come. I'll neither confirm nor deny it.

I have to ask. A lot of times when I see complaints regarding what people do not like of DA 2, I also see EA/Bioware employees dismissing those complaints as nothing more than blown-up Internet rhetoric completely without worth. Am I to assume then that if people want their issues to be taken seriously, they should choose another medium for communication? How else are they to let their opinions known besides via these forums?

On other occasions, I see a different reply but one just as insulting, which basically consists of, "Well, it's too bad if you liked it that way, because this is OUR game and we're doing it OUR way regardless of how you or other customers feel."

Anyway, this, I think, is why many believe no one is listening to them. That is NOT beneficial to EA or them. 

Modifié par google_calasade, 02 novembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[steelfire_dragon]

Merril is a pokemon I thought we all agreed on that... good enough reason to kill her..... shes not even as good as looking as leliana who is in reality a resurrected bride of the maker.....

Modifié par steelfire_dragon, 02 novembre 2012 - 05:24 .