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[Draining Dragon]

mrcanada wrote...

mindfack699 wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

mindfack699 wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

Volus cant be Biotics yet we have a biotic volus ? care to explain that

The Volus are rich.  who says they can't buy biotic amps for their suits.  

But it clearly states that volus do not engage in Physical combat because there not as strong as other race's they mainly focus on there Fleet.... Dont get me wrong i love the Volus in multiplayer there fun to play. 

Sure they dont engage in Physical combat.  But they are traders and mercenarys they need a defence somehow.. 

They pay other races to protect them, they don't defend themselves. Yet, here they are in game and although I think it's stupid, I don't want them out of it. The reasonings for no Prothean in MP are flimsy at best. Include them and be done with it like you did the Collectors BW. 

You don't need physical prowess to walk around with an omni-tool and recharge your teammate's shields.

There is absolutely no reason to add Protheans. There IS reason to not add them.

[mrcanada]

Draining Dragon wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

The same people whining about the Protheans, are the exact some people who whined not to include the Collectors in MP. Check the threads

Nice generalization. Care to explain why I was advocating collectors but oppose Protheans?

Frankly I don't care, but the threads were just as abundant and the reasonings were just as stupid. Your SP reasonings holds absolutely no weight in relation to MP because MP has little to nothing to do with SP. Bottom line, all your lore reasonings don't matter, if BW wants them, they'll put them in and you'll accept whatever explanation that goes with them as gospel, just like the Collectors.

[Inabstract]

mrcanada wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

Oh keelah here we go again...

In short: People only seem to want them for the novelty, and not what they can bring to the table. Slap Javik's moveset on a character (which we sort of did.) and its the same thing.

If a Prothean were brought in that had unique gameplay elements befitting them then I'd say: yes, as long as there was a good SP reason for them to appear, and even then...

...Problematic...

What're you talking about? How many copy and paste movesets and skins have been brought over from SP and people love them? Why is the problem exclusive to the Prothean addition? This is an absurd reason to disclude them from an aspect of ME3 that has little to nothing to do with the SP campaign.

In one way or another the SP does in fact correlate with the MP basis. Volus did not break lore due to them having enough money to buy the best suits in the galaxy. They are also capable of implanting bio-amps into their suits to make them worthy or biotic powers.

Protheans would regard Javik as a useless SP character. To those who bought *From Ashes* Dlc, bringing in Protheans as a playable MP character would make Javik seem like a complete waste of money. He clearly pointed out he was the last Prothean. It would be unnecessary to bring in hundreds of Prothean regardless of Javik saying "i'm the last Prothean"

[Eclispe]

mindfack699 wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

mindfack699 wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

Volus cant be Biotics yet we have a biotic volus ? care to explain that

The Volus are rich.  who says they can't buy biotic amps for their suits.  

But it clearly states that volus do not engage in Physical combat because there not as strong as other race's they mainly focus on there Fleet.... Dont get me wrong i love the Volus in multiplayer there fun to play. 

Sure they dont engage in Physical combat.  But they are traders and mercenarys they need a defence somehow.. 

Tell me in the Single player have youseen ONE Volus merc ? They trade with the Turians to help stable a defence system between them.they  Hire other mercs like Eclipse , Blue suns and Blood pack to help them out and get what they need the Lore does state it is Very rare for a volus to engage physical combat. 

Modifié par Eclispe, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:41 .

[mrcanada]

Draining Dragon wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

mindfack699 wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

mindfack699 wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

Volus cant be Biotics yet we have a biotic volus ? care to explain that

The Volus are rich.  who says they can't buy biotic amps for their suits.  

But it clearly states that volus do not engage in Physical combat because there not as strong as other race's they mainly focus on there Fleet.... Dont get me wrong i love the Volus in multiplayer there fun to play. 

Sure they dont engage in Physical combat.  But they are traders and mercenarys they need a defence somehow.. 

They pay other races to protect them, they don't defend themselves. Yet, here they are in game and although I think it's stupid, I don't want them out of it. The reasonings for no Prothean in MP are flimsy at best. Include them and be done with it like you did the Collectors BW. 

You don't need physical prowess to walk around with an omni-tool and recharge your teammate's shields.

There is absolutely no reason to add Protheans. There IS reason to not add them.

There was no reason to add any of the characters we have now! What're you talking about. It's reason enough that BW wanted to give them to us. There is no reason to add Volus, but they did it. There is no reason to not add Protheans and if BW wants to put them in, they will. I suspect it is only a matter of time.

[Epsilon330]

Seriously though - this debate is as old as From Ashes itself.
The answer was, is, and always will be no. They will never happen. Period.

[Mafia_Steve]

Eclispe wrote...

Cheezzhead wrote...

So you guys are all complaining about imbalance and how weapons/classes should be buffed or nerfed, but now suddenly lore is important?

Seriously, how do you want to justify a weapon suddenly changing weight or damage output into this seemingly almighty 'lore'?

i Understand you completely on this point, I just brought up the topic to see peoples views and what would its build be if it did not start WWIII lol 

If you wanted to learn people's opinion, search "Prothean" and read one of the 1,000 threads on this subject. The subject is a dead, rotten corpse of a horse, BTW.

[mrcanada]

Inabstract wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

Oh keelah here we go again...

In short: People only seem to want them for the novelty, and not what they can bring to the table. Slap Javik's moveset on a character (which we sort of did.) and its the same thing.

If a Prothean were brought in that had unique gameplay elements befitting them then I'd say: yes, as long as there was a good SP reason for them to appear, and even then...

...Problematic...

What're you talking about? How many copy and paste movesets and skins have been brought over from SP and people love them? Why is the problem exclusive to the Prothean addition? This is an absurd reason to disclude them from an aspect of ME3 that has little to nothing to do with the SP campaign.

In one way or another the SP does in fact correlate with the MP basis. Volus did not break lore due to them having enough money to buy the best suits in the galaxy. They are also capable of implanting bio-amps into their suits to make them worthy or biotic powers.

Protheans would regard Javik as a useless SP character. To those who bought *From Ashes* Dlc, bringing in Protheans as a playable MP character would make Javik seem like a complete waste of money. He clearly pointed out he was the last Prothean. It would be unnecessary to bring in hundreds of Prothean regardless of Javik saying "i'm the last Prothean"

That has to be the dumbest reasoning for not including them I've ever read. Are all the weapons I got in my preorder bonuses somehow lessened because there are brought into MP? I got From Ashes early and could care less if it was added to the MP. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Draining Dragon]

The reason to not add Protheans is that it contradicts the lore. It's not Mass Effect if we disregard the lore.

[mrcanada]

Inabstract wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

Oh keelah here we go again...

In short: People only seem to want them for the novelty, and not what they can bring to the table. Slap Javik's moveset on a character (which we sort of did.) and its the same thing.

If a Prothean were brought in that had unique gameplay elements befitting them then I'd say: yes, as long as there was a good SP reason for them to appear, and even then...

...Problematic...

What're you talking about? How many copy and paste movesets and skins have been brought over from SP and people love them? Why is the problem exclusive to the Prothean addition? This is an absurd reason to disclude them from an aspect of ME3 that has little to nothing to do with the SP campaign.

In one way or another the SP does in fact correlate with the MP basis. Volus did not break lore due to them having enough money to buy the best suits in the galaxy. They are also capable of implanting bio-amps into their suits to make them worthy or biotic powers.

Protheans would regard Javik as a useless SP character. To those who bought *From Ashes* Dlc, bringing in Protheans as a playable MP character would make Javik seem like a complete waste of money. He clearly pointed out he was the last Prothean. It would be unnecessary to bring in hundreds of Prothean regardless of Javik saying "i'm the last Prothean"

And the Collectors were wiped out and here they are. Volus can't fight or use biotics and here they are as well etc etc. There are so many easy and completely viable ways to implement the Protheans into MP that I won't even bother to explain to you.

[Cheezzhead]

Mafia_Steve wrote...

Eclispe wrote...

Cheezzhead wrote...

So you guys are all complaining about imbalance and how weapons/classes should be buffed or nerfed, but now suddenly lore is important?

Seriously, how do you want to justify a weapon suddenly changing weight or damage output into this seemingly almighty 'lore'?

i Understand you completely on this point, I just brought up the topic to see peoples views and what would its build be if it did not start WWIII lol 

If you wanted to learn people's opinion, search "Prothean" and read one of the 1,000 threads on this subject. The subject is a dead, rotten corpse of a horse, BTW.

Oh right, I forgot there was a law against opening discussions older then X months and used over X times. My bad.

[mrcanada]

Draining Dragon wrote...

The reason to not add Protheans is that it contradicts the lore. It's not Mass Effect if we disregard the lore.

And lore has nothing to do with MP. It has been proven time and again. Just stop.

[Eclispe]

The whole point of putting the Protheans as a playable Multiplayer race is for fun OR they could in a desperate attempt to save the race they genetically altered and clone from Javik and dont be all like ohhh nooo that absurd because it is possible they managed to bring shepard back from a burnt cripsy piece of human flesh.

[Mookiemook85]

*Flames prothean idea*
*Goes and plays a volus adept against collectors*

[-Sxx-]

Eclispe wrote...

Volus cant be Biotics yet we have a biotic volus ? care to explain that

So then by that logic should we bring in Biotic chickens?

Yet another one of these threads. Try searching before adding another thread to the already jam-packed Prothean thread collection.  I don't give a damn about Protheans as someone already mentioned, Volus ruined MP to a large degree but having threads concerning the same aspect is irritating. over and over. 

Worst is when people think they've come up with some sort of original idea... No names... <_<

[mrcanada]

You could use the undiscovered stasis pod stories many people have gone into detail about, cloning stories etc etc. Inclusion is easily explained.

[Praidas]

No. Protheans are dead.

[mrcanada]

Mookiemook85 wrote...

*Flames prothean idea*
*Goes and plays a volus adept against collectors*

This x100000000

[Banshee slayer123]

I would love a prothean

[khannoir]

Dama733 wrote...

Oh Look... Its another Prothians for Multiplayer threads.

Its never going to happen, just accept it people.

As was said about Volus...

I'm not on the Prothean bandwagon...but if a Prothean Stasis chamber was found at the core of "Omega" with a Full Division of Javik like soldiers the "lore" complaints would be invalid.

Thats not going to happen...I'm just saying if it did...

[HK-447]

We got volus.... now we only need protheans and leviathans

EDIT: And elcor, sorry.....

Modifié par HK-447, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Mafia_Steve]

Cheezzhead wrote...

So you guys are all complaining about imbalance and how weapons/classes should be buffed or nerfed, but now suddenly lore is important?

Seriously, how do you want to justify a weapon suddenly changing weight or damage output into this seemingly almighty 'lore'?

That doesn't even make any sense. Lore is story elements. Slight changes to weight and damage output is not lore.

[mrcanada]

Honestly, I don't care, but what I do care about are the naysayers and the absurd reasons they bring to the table like it's some affront to the lore of ME3. THERE IS NO LORE IN MP ANYMORE! Get over it and just have fun. If that means the Protheans are in, so be it, but seriously, just shut up.

[Wingheaven7]

Eelectrica wrote...

What if during the Prothean Reaper war a Prothean cruiser vanished. A mystery unexplainable. Then through the mysteries of Mass Effect fields, emerges 50000 years later ready to kick Reaper butt!

Time travelling Potheans FTW!

I could totally get behind this idea. Concept is already there. Protheans had stasis technology, thank you Javik. What's to say javiks group was the only one trying the sleep till they leave plan. Remember the reapers cut off there comms, so it's likely if there was another group doing something similar, Javik would not know since the war was already in full swing before he was even born.

also 300 years is a long time to fight a war. That's a long time to think of options. 

Whats to say the protheans didn't make more than one ship full of sleepers. If even one of those ships carried a compliment half the size of a quarian live ship, and somehow managed to keep all the protheans alive, they could technically rebuild there numbers. ... Or not...

Modifié par Wingheaven7, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:45 .

[Inabstract]

mrcanada wrote...

Inabstract wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

Oh keelah here we go again...

In short: People only seem to want them for the novelty, and not what they can bring to the table. Slap Javik's moveset on a character (which we sort of did.) and its the same thing.

If a Prothean were brought in that had unique gameplay elements befitting them then I'd say: yes, as long as there was a good SP reason for them to appear, and even then...

...Problematic...

What're you talking about? How many copy and paste movesets and skins have been brought over from SP and people love them? Why is the problem exclusive to the Prothean addition? This is an absurd reason to disclude them from an aspect of ME3 that has little to nothing to do with the SP campaign.

In one way or another the SP does in fact correlate with the MP basis. Volus did not break lore due to them having enough money to buy the best suits in the galaxy. They are also capable of implanting bio-amps into their suits to make them worthy or biotic powers.

Protheans would regard Javik as a useless SP character. To those who bought *From Ashes* Dlc, bringing in Protheans as a playable MP character would make Javik seem like a complete waste of money. He clearly pointed out he was the last Prothean. It would be unnecessary to bring in hundreds of Prothean regardless of Javik saying "i'm the last Prothean"

That has to be the dumbest reasoning for not including them I've ever read. Are all the weapons I got in my preorder bonuses somehow lessened because there are brought into MP? I got From Ashes early and could care less if it was added to the MP. One has nothing to do with the other.

The weapons are practically irrelevant in the MP. They are weapons, not a person who made a statement pointing out "i'm the last Prothean." Your opinion (such as mine) isn't based entirely around everyone.

There can be many that bough From Ashes finally understanding Javik really is the last Prothean alive. There's threads like this already and there simply was no point in making another.

Collectors I felt were fine. Their were many defining reasons as to how they could survive. Bringing in Protheans? I just don't see the point really.