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[AdmiralCheez]

Frankly, I wouldn't mind them. They could bring some unique gameplay elements in the form of new kits and passive bonuses, and if their banter sounded anything like Javik (PRIMITIVES!) they'd be fun to play for that reason alone. Also, they have the benefit of being humanoid, making them easier to program than an elcor or hanar.

Yeah, there's the lore issue, but multiplayer is ultimately in its own little sphere. You can play as races that are potentially dead in your save file, plus races that shouldn't be on the battlefield at all. And really, all we have to do is look at the ending to decide whether or not lore really matters.

Seriously, after the Catalyst and the return of the Collectors and hurr durr space magic, I say bring 'em on.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:26 .

[-Tentei-]

I support it. With the tech in that universe they could easily clone protheans off of Javik's DNA.

[Volkai7]

It would be very fun to have a multiplayer Prothean.

However, the Prothean are, with one notable exception, extinct.

Even if there was another cell of hibernating Protheans (not bloody likely) there wouldn't be enough of them left to justify having them be playable in MP. After all, Javik was one of several thousand Prothean hibernators, and the facility was only able to keep him alone alive long enough to be relevant.

Great idea, but not practical idea.

[JG The Gamer]

No.

[xcrunr1647]

mrcanada wrote...

I guarantee the moment Protheans are added, every person saying they didn't want one will use nothing but. We have space ninjas, ridiculously silly Volus additions etc.

The same people whining about the Protheans, are the exact some people who whined not to include the Collectors in MP. Check the threads, you see the same nonsense there as well and the game is much better with the Collectors in it and it would be the same for Protheans.

False. I wanted Collectors, I never believed they were all dead anyway. I'm very happy with them, now that the Scion's cannon is being fixed. 

I'm against Protheans. Not interested, no thank you. There is only one left in the Galaxy, and he's aboard Sheperd's ship right now. 

I love it when people make blanket statements that are so completely and obviously wrong. 

[AdmiralCheez]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

I'm against Protheans. Not interested, no thank you. There is only one left in the Galaxy, and he's aboard Sheperd's ship right now.

True, but I really don't think that it would affect Javik's story much.  He may never find out about it, just like Shepard seems to have no idea that the Collectors are back or that there are hostile geth on Earth and Tuchanka.  In addition, I'm a super-hardcore lore nerd (and I ANGST over ME2 and 3 sometimes, let me tell you), but I personally see multiplayer as an almost seperate game.  Sure, you can get points there and transfer them over to singleplayer, but ultimately it's just for funzies.

Your perspective is different, and I can appreciate that.  I just think protheans are hella awesome.

[Kazztore]

It would not make any sense. It would be too complicated and resource expensive to attempt cloning a race from one guy or risk it with corrupted reaper slaves. It would be a thousand times easier to clone krogan, asari, and turians. There just isn't any good way to fit Protheans into the story, considering MP is suppose to tie into SP. Volus can work, especially with how they've worked them. Nothing says they aren't biotics. They're not really front line soldiers, but they can be godsends for team aid. Hell Elcor would make more sense than protheans. Load them up with unique heavy-weapon abilities or carrying shield pylons or shield wall generators like the collector webs, make them resistent/immune to execute since they're so big and heavy I can't see a banshee lifting one. Maybe a praetorian. Hell Yahg would be more sensible than Protheans.

MP is suppose to tie into SP. The reason we're getting a lot of the same races with similar powers is because those are the races that aren't extinct and are currently fighting an extinction war against the "well-meaning", but horridly corrupt sentient space ships. There are like hundreds of billions, maybe trillions of aliens in the galaxy. the further into SP the story goes the more soldiers get liberated and rescued, the more character classes become available in MP. It ties into the story. I was against Collectors since ME2 implied you blew them all up, but I can accept that there were more out there. There's no way to make Protheans work. It would just destroy all tie-in ability with SP. I can stretch disbelief for thinks like fighting geth and cerberus on earth/palaven's moon/thesea etc. but it would be impossible to stretch disbelief with a flood of protheans. It would just destroy the story.

[AdmiralCheez]

Kazztore wrote...

It would just destroy the story.

*cough*

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

This CAN'T work. Javik is the only living Prothean left. The only thing we would have close would be the Collectors, and, oh yeah, we have them already.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Cthulus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kazztore wrote...

It would just destroy the story.

*cough*

You win this thread, you dapper Krogan you.

[TMB903]

I would love for this to happen.

[Leozilla]

sizzlinpapaya wrote...

No. Just no. I can deal with collectors cause I didn't think we killed them all anyways. But javik is the only prothean.

so you mean to tell me that a race that spaned the galaxy, that has shown two instances of trying to save isolated populations, is without a doubt completely extinct, need I remind you of the Leviathans, how many millions(billions?) of years were they thought to have been extinct for?

[DarthSliver]

Leozilla wrote...

sizzlinpapaya wrote...

No. Just no. I can deal with collectors cause I didn't think we killed them all anyways. But javik is the only prothean.

so you mean to tell me that a race that spaned the galaxy, that has shown two instances of trying to save isolated populations, is without a doubt completely extinct, need I remind you of the Leviathans, how many millions(billions?) of years were they thought to have been extinct for?

^^This ^^

[Dark Tlaloc]

DarthSliver wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

sizzlinpapaya wrote...

No. Just no. I can deal with collectors cause I didn't think we killed them all anyways. But javik is the only prothean.

so you mean to tell me that a race that spaned the galaxy, that has shown two instances of trying to save isolated populations, is without a doubt completely extinct, need I remind you of the Leviathans, how many millions(billions?) of years were they thought to have been extinct for?

^^This ^^

This argument has pretty much been argued to death. The people who are pro-Prothean
(sounds like I’m stuttering) argue that Bioware can easily write a Prothean
colony back into the lore, and the ones against Protheans argue that Javik was
IT, and that it wouldn’t make sense and would ruin Javik’s character.
Personally, I want a Prothean regardless, but I don’t see how it lessens Javik’s
impact (maybe the Protheans are fighting in more remote areas, so he’s the only
one in civilized space?), nor do I have a lore issue (this isn’t world history,
this is a fictional future where not everything has been written out).

 

Regardless, he’s the one character I’ve been waiting for
since starting MP (Javik was in my party at least 99% of the time in SP), so I
want him, by any means necessary. The cool model and green biotics are just a
bonus.

Modifié par Dark Tlaloc, 31 octobre 2012 - 06:34 .

[Nissun]

It's not about the lore.

It's about Javik.

[Nissun]

Dark Tlaloc wrote...
I don’t see how it lessens Javik’s
impact 

His whole character is built on the fact that he is the last one of his race. He spends the whole game trying to come to terms with that fact and accept that he's going to have to adapt to the new galaxy. Giving him some of his old pals to run around with would render that character development completely useless.

Modifié par Nissun, 31 octobre 2012 - 06:43 .

[Dark Tlaloc]

Nissun wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...
I don’t see how it lessens Javik’s
impact 

His whole character is built on the fact that he is the last one of his race. He spends the whole game trying to come to terms with that fact and accept that he's going to have to adapt to the new galaxy. Giving him some of his old pals to run around with would render that character development completely useless.

Right, hence the fact that I was saying the other Protheans could be written in as
being on the outside (or completely outside) of council space. Look, it’s
impossible to argue lore like this, because everyone is just arguing their
opinion of what is and isn’t acceptable to them. Until Bioware gives a ruling
either way (which no matter what, I’d be fine with), it’s all just opinion on
what’s right and wrong.

[Clayless]

Good god no.

[Slaysman]

-Tentei- wrote...

I support it. With the tech in that universe they could easily clone protheans off of Javik's DNA.

You are correct they were able to clone a krogan armies worth of kakliosaurs in like 3 seconds after you delivered the fossil.

[Haseeo]

Nope no more their all dead but one kay thanks bye.

[DarthSliver]

Nissun wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...
I don’t see how it lessens Javik’s
impact 

His whole character is built on the fact that he is the last one of his race. He spends the whole game trying to come to terms with that fact and accept that he's going to have to adapt to the new galaxy. Giving him some of his old pals to run around with would render that character development completely useless.

No, as far as he knows he is the last Prothean.  You forget his race was isolated on planets once the Mass Relays were shut off, he didnt even know what was happening on Ilos for crying out loud. His civilzation was broken into fractions when the Reapers took the Mass Relays away from them.  But i do believe if this were to happen there should be an SP DLC with it and if you have Javik and bring him with you upon discovering not all the Protheans died out 50k years ago you get special Javik Dialogue. This would also make using the shard not be an instant suicide like I heard it is when you let him use the Shard. 


Sorry but if Levithans can survive millions upon millions of years after they were supposely wiped out than i dont see why the Protheans cant manage it for at least 50k years or less. 

[Nissun]

DarthSliver wrote...

Nissun wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...
I don’t see how it lessens Javik’s
impact 

His whole character is built on the fact that he is the last one of his race. He spends the whole game trying to come to terms with that fact and accept that he's going to have to adapt to the new galaxy. Giving him some of his old pals to run around with would render that character development completely useless.

No, as far as he knows he is the last Prothean.  You forget his race was isolated on planets once the Mass Relays were shut off, he didnt even know what was happening on Ilos for crying out loud. His civilzation was broken into fractions when the Reapers took the Mass Relays away from them.  But i do believe if this were to happen there should be an SP DLC with it and if you have Javik and bring him with you upon discovering not all the Protheans died out 50k years ago you get special Javik Dialogue. This would also make using the shard not be an instant suicide like I heard it is when you let him use the Shard. 


Sorry but if Levithans can survive millions upon millions of years after they were supposely wiped out than i dont see why the Protheans cant manage it for at least 50k years or less. 

Right, because it's totally possible that they will bother retconning a character they packed in a specific DLC for him and him only.

Next up: a DLC in which we discover Garrus' team wasn't slaughtered, Tali's father is still alive, Benezia is alive and kicking too, and turns out that Samara's daughters aren't ardat yakshi's after all and they can live perfectly normal, happy lives along with their mommy! yay!

[Ukir]

I find it hilarious that most people's first reaction to a Prothean suggestion is to immediately shoot it down, which creates a huge band wagon.

As far as anyone should be concerned, any decisions about lore should be left up to BioWare. Do you think playing as a Volus follows your idea of lore? Although the multiplayer is supposed to tie in with the single player whilst being true to the lore of the series, it is not always so and that is not a problem for me. In the first Mass Effect, no one even knew what a Prothean looked like. In the third installment, you can have one on your team. From that alone, you can see that BioWare's take on where the Protheans should be in terms of how the story line played out has changed. Why should it be Javik that was the lone survivor? Who is to say that there weren't a few more Protheans who safely made it off Ilos or another of their planets? Not anyone posting in this thread.

Your opinions on Javik's story are irrelevant. I bought the day one DLC and I loved it. I paid attention to the elements of Javik's story of being a lone survivor (as far as they knew) and he quickly became one of my favorite characters in the series. Some people believe adding Javik's race to multiplayer would ruin his story. I do not, and that is why everyone's opinion is irrelevant, because we all have a separate one.

In the end, it is ultimately up to BioWare for what they'd like to do with the Protheans. Personally, I'd love to have them in multiplayer, it won't necessarily affect Javik at all.

tl;dr, the arguments made that a MP Prothean would ruin Javik's story isn't necessarily true because while MP and SP tie in together, they are two separate things and it is possible to have the Prothean race in without Javik knowing, which will mean that his story is not at all affected.

Slaysman wrote...

-Tentei- wrote...

I support it. With the tech in that universe they could easily clone protheans off of Javik's DNA.

You are correct they were able to clone a krogan armies worth of kakliosaurs in like 3 seconds after you delivered the fossil.

Also a totally valid argument. Grunt is a genetically engineered Krogan. Where is it said that you cannot clone a Prothean?

Modifié par Ukir, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:09 .

[thearbiter1337]

Bringing in a Prothy in MP would ruin Javik

[Clayless]

Why do pro-Prothean people use the Volus as an example?

What were the Volus gonna do as Palavin and their planet burned? Sit around and let the Reapers kill every one of them? Try to pay the Turians on money that is quickly losing its worth?

Seriously, Volus aren't even remotely comparable to Protheans.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:16 .