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[Basher of Glory]

thegreateski wrote...

(Aren't all video games rpgs to some extent?)

I know some people who would kill you outright just for asking SUCH a question!

[BlackFriar]

I started with DnD (boxed set) in 1978.  I branched out into CRPGs in the late 1980's.  The Might and Magic series.  The Wizardry Series.   The early Bethesda offerings.  Bard's Tale.  The Krondor games.   Wasteland.   A bunch of good-to-lame "Gold Box" titles...  

I also I remember when CRPGs were pretty much dead after a bunch of second-rate games hit the market and failed to sell...   Only for the CRPG niche to be revitalized by Fallout and Balder's gate.

Ironically, I was really dreading this game and refused to buy it.   In fact, the only reason I got it was my daughter bought it for me for Christmas.

The truth is, I was really prepared to be completely disappointed.   Which might be surprising considering I was around when Baldur's Gate, and the even-better Balder's Gate:SoA, helped revitalize the CRPG market that had all but died in the mid-1990's.   They were two of the best games I'd ever played in my life and both helped to earn Bioware a well-deserved reputation as a first-class CRPG developer.

Unfortunately, then came NWN with it's foolish "Bioware reputation" reviews that ignored one of the dumbest and most insipid CRPG story lines as well as it's over-promised and quite-lame toolset.   This was followed by NWN:SoU, a story so dull I couldn't make it past level 7 (on multiple attempts) before I gave it up for good.   The series was redeemed, in my eyes, by the third expansion pack: Hordes of the Underdark.     Had it not been redemptive of the series, I'm sure I'd have written Bioware off...

Instead, with that partial redemption, I bought Jade Empire, which was a good story, but left me feeling like I paid for a book and got a short-story.   KOTOR was, well, an interesting premise but, ultimately, it had structure issues that rendered it lame.  I felt like I was playing the part of a Jedi-FedEx-Hamster running around in a habittrail delivering seeds to NPCs.

Then came Mass Effect...   Let's just say that it is the "Spore" of CRPGs.   I still cringe at just how  dull the game was and, after 15-hours, I put it away for good...

So, after a great start, there was a lot of mediocrity to outright failure.  There certainly wasn't anything epic like Fallout.  No great sandboxes like Morrowind and Oblivion.   No classic revitalized for one last epic run -- Wizardry 8.    Just a lot of lousy "corporate RPGs" that felt like they were developed by a marketing team.

Which gets me to this game.  And I have to wonder:  how is it, after years of failure and mediocrity, Bioware wrote one of the best story-CRPGs of all time?    Sure, a lot of the technical aspects weren't great, but CRPGs aren't about "eye candy," per se.  And the some of the "scripted adult" content was laughable, but at least it they weren't "Carth Onasi" awful.

But it was the most captivating and emotionally stirring CRPG to come down the pike since Fallout, a game I still play (every now and then) nearly 13 years later...    In fact, the story was so good I turned the combat down to "easy" so I wouldn't have to be bothered with all the "min/max" and "build" issues that normally surround CRPGs.

So, I'm really happy.  The game is one of the all-time great games I've ever played.  And I've played a lot.  The writing was almost uniformly fantastic.  The story-arc was great.  The characters were great.  The party and situations were great.   I didn't feel like I was in a phony dialogue tree with a pre-ordained conclusion no matter what choices I made.  In fact, I had a much different out-come in certain signifcant events in the game than one of my CRPG buddies.

So, yeah, I'm an old, old CRPGer. And one who is, after quite a number of years of disappointment, finally happy with a Bioware product.  And what a product.  This will be a classic and will withstand the test of time.

[Kyllaric]

Joseph Silver wrote...

What is your RPG background?

I started with the D&D basic set back in the mid-70's. My first computer RPG (CRPG) was one of the D&D gold box games put out by SSI. I had Pool of Radiance and loved it. I still look back on it fondly because of its tactical combat. I ended up with all three in that series. I also had Champions of Krynn, but never got the others in the Dragonlance series. I think it was lack of money rather than desire.

I've run through the whole Balder's Gate series, NWN 1 + expansions as well.

[Eisberg1977]

I'm assuming you mean CRPG.



For me it was Dungeaon Master on the Apple II GS. Great multi level dungeon that was a maze. I used to get graph paper and map out the levels of the dungeons to keep track where I am, and where I have been. Loved every minute of it, I was like 9 or 10 when it got released.

[SleeplessInSigil]

Almost everything that came out on the PC and some earlier platforms even, along with a load of console titles, since the late `80s.

Modifié par SleeplessInSigil, 02 janvier 2010 - 05:00 .

[Shepyrd]

I owe my indoctrination into RPG's to Ken and Roberta Williams who founded Sierra On-Line and introduced me to King's Quest (and many other great games after that!) in 1984.
I was also one of the first to play the Original Neverwinter Nights on AOL in 1991. While that game cost me thousands of dollars as it was a per hourly charge at first, many friendships forged throught the Guild called Soldiers of Light have carried through numerous online RPG games and in fact, many of the original members still continue play together in today's games like WoW.


Great times!

[Solistus1]

My parents are total geeks, and they taught me to play pen and paper D&D at around 8.  I moved on to oldschool D&D computer games (Pool of Radiance, anyone?), classic SNES RPGs (Chrono Trigger, FF3 [6 for you japanophiles], Secret of Mana... ahh the glory days) and eventually the whole gamut of more modern PC RPGs - Diablo I/II, MMOs from UO through to various short-lived recent ones, BioWare games stretching back to Baldur's Gate and countless other titles that I either forgot or decided to omit for brevity.

My love affair with the genre has been going strong for almost 15 years now.  While there are a million little things I'd like to change (the sign of a true fan, no?), Dragon Age has done a better job than any title in recent memory at taking the best elements of the classic RPGs I grew up on and merging them with modern gameplay, graphics, UI, etc. standards.

[ozenglish]

Some jerk stole my copy of the Gold D&D box set. I lent it out to him, and never got it back. Still a bit miffed after nearly 20 years lol. Oh well. thanks to BioWare, I have something that brings back all the good old elements of D&D without it being D&D.

[Racca12]

My first RPG, although I didn't know it, was the original Zelda on the NES. My first RPG that I remember loving was Final Fantasy 6 on the SNES, and then Chrono Trigger. And then I was hooked.

There was this freakin hard RPG on the NES and I can't remember what it was. You played this little wizard in blue, and you wandered a dungeon the whole game. You guys know that one? EDIT: It was Solstice. 

Modifié par Racca12, 02 janvier 2010 - 05:59 .

[fluxcage]

Ultima II, then Ultima III and Ultima I, all around 1983-1984. Atari 800. Then later Ultima IV. I still have my color-coded hand-drawn maps for Ultima III and IV. Which one of those was where the dragon roasts your party during the title screen animation? I still remember the shock and chills it gave me the first time I watched (that was ME that just got roasted!).

Dungeon Master, Atari 1024ST, 1987-1988 was a high point not reached for many years. Who can forget the dances with the worms? Strike, step backwards, slide left or right, turn and wait for the worm to approach. Repeat over and over. Miss one step, or back into a wall, or turn the wrong way, and you're dead. I hated them, but they kept me from starving. Or the fireballs Chaos fired from across the last huge room. A twinkle in the distance, growing brighter, and if you stepped aside and turned to face the tile you just left, you could see the brilliant explosion against the wall that you had just moved away from.

There were many others in between then and now, but for me Dragon Age: Origins is going to be the RPG that the games of the next decade will be measured against.

Modifié par fluxcage, 02 janvier 2010 - 05:56 .

[J.O.G]

First CRPG I played was Ultima 4 in 1984, it actually gave us the idea to play P&P as well.

I think I've played all CRPGs that came before (and were released on C64), and all that came later and were released on C64, SEGA MS, Amiga or PC. I also enjoyed playing games like Gauntlet and Heretic, though wasn't that amused when Diablo reintroduced that concept as new sub-genre of CRPGs.

Top 5 RPGs:

1: Ultima 6
2: BG1
3: Ultima 7
4: BG2
5: Realms of Arkania 2

Modifié par J.O.G, 02 janvier 2010 - 06:17 .

[Merci357]

After two decades of CRPGs, well, there are quite a lot... started with Bard's Tale and Phantasie (II?) on C64, continued with Dungeon Master and Pools of Radiance/Champions of Krynn Gold Box series on Amiga - loved Fallout (the greatest game ever ), BG+BG2, KOTOR, just to name some, among dozens more.



However, while games like Mass Effect are -for me- no RPG, just very story driven games (imho something in spirit of Wing Commander), my guess is, this is the future of entertainment, the "fusion" between movie and game. Looking forward, the next two decades could be fun

[runab0ut]

In terms of computer RPGs - SSI's Goldbox Games, Curse of the Azure Bonds to be exact and Wizardry V. Then snowballed to Ultima IV and all is gold.

Modifié par runab0ut, 02 janvier 2010 - 07:36 .

[StarMars]

Icewind Dale, PS:Torment, BG2, NWN (PvP powergamer), the Witcher



I didn't mention the other games I've played but didn't get far into.

[Spitfire80]

For me it started with Baldur's gate 1, it was really talked up in a gaming magazine. I had some money and bought it. I sucked at the game, but loved it. Got me BG 2 as well when it came out. Then came fallout, fallout, Morrowind, Kotor 1&2. loved those. (1 was better though) Arcanum was somewhere in there as well, just like Lionheart. Never quite got into Neverwinter though. I got me Jade empire at some point, love it again. Then the long wait for the ME pc-port. And while waiting for that i learned of the coming Dragon age.



By then i realized if i stayed away from anything Neverwintery, i couldn't go wrong when it was a Bioware game.

[Kniri]

When I got my first PC in 1995 a friend installed some games on it. Monkey Island and Indiana Jones something. So, these are called Adventure-Games. When I was through with them, I startet looking in Stores for more 'Adventures'. I found a copy of Baldur's Gate 1. I read the text on the back of the box and in the first sentence was the word 'Adventure'. That was enough for me and i bought it, without knowing, what it actually was.



But, it was the start of me playing CRPGs. After BG1 followed Icewind Dale 1+2, Planescape: Torment, BG2, NWN 1, Morrowind, Oblivion, Gothic and many others. Some of these games really took me in and I spent many hours with them and Jade Empire at X-Box.



The Witcher and DA:O are both amazing RPGs. I would really like to see more of that sort.

[Allen63]

Combat flight simulation (Aces of the Pacific) -- play role of pilot in WW2.

Diablo and Baldur's Gate 1 whenever they came out. Still like BG1 better than BG2 -- though both were the best efforts from Bioware.

I prefer "large open world", "living world", "sandbox" types with "realistic" graphics and "details" -- e.g. Two Worlds, Gothic 1 thru 3, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3.

KotOR was great because it was Star Wars (special place in my heart for that "fantasy world").

I like to mod or hack games to "tweak" them to be more enjoyable for me. Allowing that is a strength of DA.

Modifié par Allen63, 02 janvier 2010 - 12:22 .

[Fel Tyr]

P&P was fun but hard to get enough together for any length of time.  First computer crpg was Zork.  Not return to Zork.  The original text based on an IBM PC 5 1/4" disk, mid 80's Jeez, that was over 20 years ago.  Enter cave.  A thief is here.  Attack thief.  Thief steals 2 gold and runs away... DAO makes me wonder where crpgs will be 20 years from now.