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[Isichar]

They added you to the memorial wall well still on the planet after crashing, before that they really had no way of knowing what actually occurred on the Citadel so why do they just assume you died?

[The Night Mammoth]

Do you really want us to say it?



Fine.




Space Magic. Woohoo. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[Mathias]

I'm sure the radio still worked.

[Nightwriter]

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

[Isichar]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I'm sure the radio still worked.

Whos radio? Did the Catalyst inform them before I had died, because as far as I know hes the only one beside Shepard who knows what happened on the Citadel.

[Isichar]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

Rewatch the ending. The Citadel is not even all that damaged in some endings.

[Nightwriter]

Isichar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

Rewatch the ending. The Citadel is not even all that damaged in some endings.

Okay.

In the endings where it gets blown up -- logic. Logic tells them Shepard is dead.

In the endings where it doesn't get blown up -- space magic. Space magic tells them Shepard is dead.

Hmm.

The phrasing of those sentences has reminded me of The Wizard of Oz.

"Poppies. Poppies will make them sleep."

[Jadebaby]

They used Super MAC's artistic integrity cannon as a telescope and looked upon thy Citadel.

[Ithurael]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

They used Super MAC's artistic integrity cannon as a telescope and looked upon thy Citadel.

I...agree with this:wizard:

[KiwiQuiche]

Speculation on their part.

[Legion of 1337]

Nightwriter wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

Rewatch the ending. The Citadel is not even all that damaged in some endings.

Okay.

In the endings where it gets blown up -- logic. Logic tells them Shepard is dead.

In the endings where it doesn't get blown up -- space magic. Space magic tells them Shepard is dead.

Hmm.

The phrasing of those sentences has reminded me of The Wizard of Oz.

"Poppies. Poppies will make them sleep."

Yet another reason Destroy is better.

[justafan]

The superweapon that nobody knows anything about just went off with Shepard standing right below it. They at least knew that Shepard was on the citadel, and when they saw a giant destructive wave of energy chasing them through FTL that originated at said station, they probably put 2+2 together and figured Shepard died.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Same reason half of the the illogical crap happened at the end, symbolism. Scenes were supposed to happened because they were symbolic and were supposed to convey an idea or emotion, not because they made actually sense in the narrative. Short answer, someone really wanted to convey a message in their story and common sense took the day off.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:25 .

[Argolas]

They... er... feel Shepard in Synthesis? And... Control Holoshep contacts them?

[deatharmonic]

Nightwriter wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

Rewatch the ending. The Citadel is not even all that damaged in some endings.

Okay.

In the endings where it gets blown up -- logic. Logic tells them Shepard is dead.

In the endings where it doesn't get blown up -- space magic. Space magic tells them Shepard is dead.

Hmm.

The phrasing of those sentences has reminded me of The Wizard of Oz.

"Poppies. Poppies will make them sleep."

Thats more of a silly assumption rather than logic. I mean, how ridiculous is that? I'd still expect them to check/recover the body or at least dog-tags. This isn't generic soldier #164 we're talking about. This is Shepard, the person who broke the cycle.

I think it's something  which just wasn't thought about during development.

[Isichar]

justafan wrote...

The superweapon that nobody knows anything about just went off with Shepard standing right below it. They at least knew that Shepard was on the citadel, and when they saw a giant destructive wave of energy chasing them through FTL that originated at said station, they probably put 2+2 together and figured Shepard died.

First off no one knew where Shepard was regards to the explosion, amd well it is a definite possibility I HIGHLY doubt the crucible was built with the assumption that the "triggerman" would be killed by using it. Lets take the control ending for example: Blue energy shoots out leaving the Citadel pretty much entirely intact, Normandy runs off and everyone immediately assumes Shepard died.

I wouldnt call that putting 2 and 2 together, I would call that jumping to conclusions.

Modifié par Isichar, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:31 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

deatharmonic wrote...
Thats more of a silly assumption rather than logic. I mean, how ridiculous is that? I'd still expect them to check/recover the body or at least dog-tags. This isn't generic soldier #164 we're talking about. This is Shepard, the person who broke the cycle.

I think it's something  which just wasn't thought about during development.

How the hell do they even know the cycle was broken in some of the endings? All we know is that it's supposed to stop the Reapers somehow, for example in synthesis the crucible fires but the Normandy flees the scene before there is any effect on the Reapers and then suddenly we're all green. I would have assumed something had gone amiss with the blasted machine, certainly wouldn't be smiling like a jackass after the crash landing.

[Nightwriter]

deatharmonic wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

Rewatch the ending. The Citadel is not even all that damaged in some endings.

Okay.

In the endings where it gets blown up -- logic. Logic tells them Shepard is dead.

In the endings where it doesn't get blown up -- space magic. Space magic tells them Shepard is dead.

Hmm.

The phrasing of those sentences has reminded me of The Wizard of Oz.

"Poppies. Poppies will make them sleep."

Thats more of a silly assumption rather than logic. I mean, how ridiculous is that? I'd still expect them to check/recover the body or at least dog-tags. This isn't generic soldier #164 we're talking about. This is Shepard, the person who broke the cycle.

I think it's something  which just wasn't thought about during development.

It really seems like the writers wrote Shepard off, so the characters wrote Shepard off too. 

[DeinonSlayer]

deatharmonic wrote...

Thats more of a silly assumption rather than logic. I mean, how ridiculous is that? I'd still expect them to check/recover the body or at least dog-tags. This isn't generic soldier #164 we're talking about. This is Shepard, the person who broke the cycle.

I think it's something  which just wasn't thought about during development.

Not much was, it seems. Pre-EC, the thought process didn't seem to go beyond "Garden of Eden!" "Joker & EDI = Adam & Eve!" "BRAVE NEW WORLD!!!" where for many, the pressing question was what the Dextros were supposed to eat since they were stranded on an unknown world with a half-demolished husk of a ship and no relays, how they got there in the first place, and why Joker ran.

I still don't like the pseudo-mystical "organic energy" "ESSENCE" crap that rears its head at the end of this sci-fi series. All the more reason to shoot the tube. If some cult recruiter offered you an unknown "elixir" at the airport after talking about your "essence" for five minutes, would you drink it?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:40 .

[silentassassin264]

I think it had something to do with getting fatally struck by the main gun of a dreadnought. It wasn't a direct hit per se but the radiant energy from relativistic fired molten metal should have Shepard covered in third degree burns. With no imminent treatment to be covered in third degree burns, it is pretty safe to assume Shepard is dead regardless of the state of the Citadel.

[Xellith]

Nightwriter wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well. We're on a space station.

The space station explodes.

I guess they connected the dots.

Rewatch the ending. The Citadel is not even all that damaged in some endings.

Okay.

In the endings where it gets blown up -- logic. Logic tells them Shepard is dead.

In the endings where it doesn't get blown up -- space magic. Space magic tells them Shepard is dead.

Hmm.

The phrasing of those sentences has reminded me of The Wizard of Oz.

"Poppies. Poppies will make them sleep."

Green explosion-  not that bad = oh noes shep is dead *sign on wall*
Blue explosion - perfectly fine = oh noes shep is dead *sign on wall*
Red explosion - citadel a wreck = maybe he is still alive! *hesitates putting plaque on wall*

There is no logic involved sadly.  The memorial scene makes little sense.  It looks to me that the scene is tailored so that the player sees "what they want to see" rather than "what actually would have happened on the Normandy". >=(

Modifié par Xellith, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:43 .

[DeinonSlayer]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I think it had something to do with getting fatally struck by the main gun of a dreadnought. It wasn't a direct hit per se but the radiant energy from relativistic fired molten metal should have Shepard covered in third degree burns. With no imminent treatment to be covered in third degree burns, it is pretty safe to assume Shepard is dead regardless of the state of the Citadel.

Well if we're gonna be that technical, the concussion from the impact of any one of the shots you call down on Rannoch ought to have liquified Shepard. ME2 rates the impact of a Dreadnought round in the kiloton range. Standing as close as Shepard does, even a frigate round would pulp 'em.

[justafan]

Isichar wrote...

justafan wrote...

The superweapon that nobody knows anything about just went off with Shepard standing right below it. They at least knew that Shepard was on the citadel, and when they saw a giant destructive wave of energy chasing them through FTL that originated at said station, they probably put 2+2 together and figured Shepard died.

First off no one knew where Shepard was regards to the explosion, amd well it is a definite possibility I HIGHLY doubt the crucible was built with the assumption that the "triggerman" would be killed by using it. Lets take the control ending for example: Blue energy shoots out leaving the Citadel pretty much entirely intact, Normandy runs off and everyone immediately assumes Shepard died.

I wouldnt call that putting 2 and 2 together, I would call that jumping to conclusions.

They knew Shepard was on the Citadel, well Hackett did at least, so he's basically right under the device.  Also, they flee while it's activating, they don't actually see the citadel being destroyed/notdestroyed.  What they do see is a giant energy blast chasing them at FTL speeds.  Nobody knows what will happen, but if a blast so powerful that it can chase you at FTL is present, that wouldn't seem to bode well for anyone directly beneath it.  It may not be as simple as putting 2 and  2 together, but it's probably a reasonable assumption.

Modifié par justafan, 31 octobre 2012 - 02:50 .

[Steelcan]

You can't argue physics in a universe like ME. You won't get anywhere.