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[FOX216BC]

Joker has a twitter account?

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Might as well assume the worst, considering Shep was shot by a Reaper.

[liggy002]

Isichar wrote...

They added you to the memorial wall well still on the planet after crashing, before that they really had no way of knowing what actually occurred on the Citadel so why do they just assume you died?

It makes sense if the ending is in Shepard's mind because then he would imagine them greaving over him.  Or, here is the alternate explanation, space magic and bad writing.  Take your pick.

[Twinzam.V]

KIA is more cool than MIA.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 31 octobre 2012 - 10:40 .

[OdanUrr]

They felt a disturbance in the Force.

[Isichar]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Might as well assume the worst, considering Shep was shot by a Reaper.

Oh please, as if Shepard would let that stop him/her.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, if Shepard's suit transmits data about his vital signs to the Normandy...

[Peranor]

FOX216BC wrote...

Joker has a twitter account?

This must be it

[deatharmonic]

Greylycantrope wrote...

deatharmonic wrote...
Thats more of a silly assumption rather than logic. I mean, how ridiculous is that? I'd still expect them to check/recover the body or at least dog-tags. This isn't generic soldier #164 we're talking about. This is Shepard, the person who broke the cycle.

I think it's something  which just wasn't thought about during development.

How the hell do they even know the cycle was broken in some of the endings? All we know is that it's supposed to stop the Reapers somehow, for example in synthesis the crucible fires but the Normandy flees the scene before there is any effect on the Reapers and then suddenly we're all green. I would have assumed something had gone amiss with the blasted machine, certainly wouldn't be smiling like a jackass after the crash landing.

I... Think you missed the point, I'm talking about why no one seems bothered to confirm whether Shep is DoA. Not whether they know the crucible has worked. When I said 'person who broke the cycle' I was refering to Sheps status as an icon, not just another faceless soldier, so with that in mind it seems strange no one would bother looking, they all just seem to assume.

[Gruntburner]

It can be assumed that comms were brought back online early and the fact that Anderson and Shepard were in an unknown section of an otherwise blow to hell space station, means that the fact Shepard died should be assumed.

[wright1978]

deatharmonic wrote...

I... Think you missed the point, I'm talking about why no one seems bothered to confirm whether Shep is DoA. Not whether they know the crucible has worked. When I said 'person who broke the cycle' I was refering to Sheps status as an icon, not just another faceless soldier, so with that in mind it seems strange no one would bother looking, they all just seem to assume.

I'm sure the fleet or people on Earth do check whether he/she is dead or alive. Normandy has set down on some unknown planet in the back of beyond, probably without comms so they are just working on assumptions as they are out of the loop.

[IElitePredatorI]

The Force. Shepard is a Jedi.

[Ithurael]

reaper IFF

[deatharmonic]

wright1978 wrote...

deatharmonic wrote...

I... Think you missed the point, I'm talking about why no one seems bothered to confirm whether Shep is DoA. Not whether they know the crucible has worked. When I said 'person who broke the cycle' I was refering to Sheps status as an icon, not just another faceless soldier, so with that in mind it seems strange no one would bother looking, they all just seem to assume.

I'm sure the fleet or people on Earth do check whether he/she is dead or alive. Normandy has set down on some unknown planet in the back of beyond, probably without comms so they are just working on assumptions as they are out of the loop.

Well you would expect that to be the case, but we're never told that. I think it's not mentioned because Bioware wanted this to be the end of Shep, hence the 2/3 endings where he's confirmed dead and the one 'choose your interpretation' ending. Not to mention on top of that everyone seems to assume he's dead coupled with the fact we're not told any effort was made to look for humanities icon.

I really would question the comms thing though. I'd question how people who were willing to risk their lives for Shep quite literally, would just assume. That seems very out of character, If they don't know what went down then I'd expect a 'we have to find out if Shepard made it out alive' mentality. But like I said, because Bioware wanted it to be the end I think thats the way they painted it.

On a side note, I think if we did have any mention of the alliance trying to look for Shep, and you got the high EMS destroy/Shep lives. That would put a big spanner in their 'choose your interpretation'/No more Shep thing... This all seems like a bit of a mess lol. This is why I think it really was something they just didn't think about.

[Peranor]

wright1978 wrote...

deatharmonic wrote...

I... Think you missed the point, I'm talking about why no one seems bothered to confirm whether Shep is DoA. Not whether they know the crucible has worked. When I said 'person who broke the cycle' I was refering to Sheps status as an icon, not just another faceless soldier, so with that in mind it seems strange no one would bother looking, they all just seem to assume.

I'm sure the fleet or people on Earth do check whether he/she is dead or alive. Normandy has set down on some unknown planet in the back of beyond, probably without comms so they are just working on assumptions as they are out of the loop.

Sorry, I'm not bying it. It doesn't make sense that the Normandy crew should be in such a hurry to officially declare Shepard dead. Especially when they still have a good chance of getting home and getting it confirmed/disproved
 
It's one thing to assume/be afraid that he might be dead and talk about it amongst the crew, and another thing entirely  to hold a full-fledged memorial and put his name on a wall containing names of people confirmed killed in action.


As deatharmonic wrote

We're talking about people who were willing to risk their lives for Shep quite literally.

The whole scene is out of character.

Modifié par anorling, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:39 .

[wright1978]

anorling wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

I'm sure the fleet or people on Earth do check whether he/she is dead or alive. Normandy has set down on some unknown planet in the back of beyond, probably without comms so they are just working on assumptions as they are out of the loop.

Sorry, I'm not bying it. It doesn't make sense that the Normandy crew should be in such a hurry to officially declare Shepard dead. Especially when they still have a good chance of getting home and getting it confirmed/disproved
 
It's one thing to assume/be afraid that he might be dead and talk about it amongst the crew, and another thing entirely  to hold a full-fledged memorial and put his name on a wall containing names of people confirmed killed in action.


As deatharmonic wrote

We're talking about people who were willing to risk their lives for Shep quite literally.

The whole scene is out of character.

Yeah the scene is a cheap attempt to provide closure for all endings in one simple sequence. The crew holding a candlelight vigil while crashed would make sense rather than a memorial service given they have no idea what Shep's fate is beyond assumptions. A memorial service for dead sheps and a hospital bed sequence for wounded live sheps back on earth would have made a lot more sense.

Modifié par wright1978, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:46 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

deatharmonic wrote...
I... Think you missed the point, I'm talking about why no one seems bothered to confirm whether Shep is DoA. Not whether they know the crucible has worked. When I said 'person who broke the cycle' I was refering to Sheps status as an icon, not just another faceless soldier, so with that in mind it seems strange no one would bother looking, they all just seem to assume.

Didn't miss the point, just saying they assume a lot of things besides that without confirmation, there's plenty of questionable reactions to go around during that final scene.

[FOX216BC]

 

[Village_Idiot]

Normandy has a QEC. They could still feasibly be in contact with Earth/ the fleet.

I do agree however that the memorial scene was a little premature. It's emotionally engaging though, so I can get over that.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[wright1978]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Normandy has a QEC. They could still feasibly be in contact with Earth/ the fleet.

The only conclusion is that it is broken as otherwise there wouldn't be a memorial sequence in shep lives scenario.

[GreyLycanTrope]

IElitePredatorI wrote...

The Force. Shepard is a Jedi.

This seems likely:

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:31 .

[Tootles FTW]

The problem with the memorial scene is that we don't know if the Normandy crew was in communication with the Alliance during this time.  And I am speaking from a Destroy (w/ breath scene) ending perspective.  Prepare thyselves, rant ahead!

If the Normandy still had a working system of communication with the Alliance:
- In order for the memorial scene to make sense in context with the breath ending it would put restraints on the timeline (specifically, how long the Normandy is crashed on the unknown planet), because:
- The Normandy would have been made aware when Shepard was found, rendering the memorial scene ridiculous...unless the Normandy repairs & takeoff were done prior to Shepard's discovery.
1) I really don't imagine Shepard surviving in the rubble for longer than 72 hrs, so that would mean the Normandy would have to have left the planet within a span of 3 days.  But the damage to the Normandy looked to be pretty extensive and I would imagine it would take weeks at the least.
2) If they crashed and lifted-off in a matter of days, jumping to conclusions w/o confirmation from the Alliance and holding a memorial ceremony seems VERY premature.  Also very OOC for our crew, who have seen Shepard come back from the dead two years later.
3) Who is making these memorial plaques that they were produced in a matter of hours/days? Do they have them all pre-made in storage "just in case"?  Why would they have Admiral Anderson's (not a crew member). if that were the case?

If the Normandy did not have a working system of communication with the Alliance:
- They would not have information regarding the status of the Citadel wherein Shepard was last seen. Same issue here that I had in #2 above - why would our crew/LI jump to conclusions w/o confirmation?
- The timeline issue regarding how long the Normandy was crashed on the unknown planet isn't a concern here because the discovery of Shepard would not have reached the Normandy crew & hypothetically months could have gone by between the Destroy explosion to the memorial scene.
1) How would our crew even know about Anderson going up into the Citadel w/ Shepard? Why would they assume he was also dead?

Obviously I think the Normandy w/ communication scenario has way more logic issues than the Normandy w/o communication scenario.  It still is rather out of character for our crew to assume anything, let alone our deaths that is in itself an acknowledgement of "giving up" on Shepard...   STILL, better the logical mess we got in this one scene than the complete lack of anything with the original endings.

[Brhino]

My headcanon (high-EMS destroy.  Realize it doesn't work in some of the other scenarios):

Normandy is affected more by the space magic than the other alliance ships because normandy has EDI directly tied into so many systems - so her death hosed a lot of systems, and they'll need a couple days for repairs (note that in the new high-EMS destroy, the normandy hardly looks damaged at all.  Much better shape than it was after crash landing on the collector base in ME2, and it got airborne from that in an hour or two). 

While the Normandy is down for repairs, the other surviving ships of the fleet  have returned to Earth orbit.  Search teams have boarded the ruins of the citadel and found the (mostly blown up) room where you have the face-off with Anderson and TIM.  They've found the bodies of those two plus a lot of Shepard's blood.  Hackett gets in touch with the Normandy and tells them the reapers are dead, Anderson is confirmed KIA and Shepard is MIA, presumed dead - because they don't know that Shepard took the magic elevator to Spacechild Town. 

So while repairs of the Normandy are underway, they have a memorial for Anderson and are going to include Shepard too but eventually decide not to because they don't yet have proof that he's dead.  Repairs complete, Normandy flies off, and meanwhile about that time Shepard is found alive in a different section of rubble... so when the Normandy gets back to Earth, Hackett will have news...

Modifié par Brhino, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .

[Gtacatalina]

Artistic integrity.

Space magic.

What, you can't use your imagination.

[K. S. Black]

Tootles FTW wrote...

The problem with the memorial scene is that we don't know if the Normandy crew was in communication with the Alliance during this time.  And I am speaking from a Destroy (w/ breath scene) ending perspective.  Prepare thyselves, rant ahead!

If the Normandy still had a working system of communication with the Alliance:
- In order for the memorial scene to make sense in context with the breath ending it would put restraints on the timeline (specifically, how long the Normandy is crashed on the unknown planet), because:
- The Normandy would have been made aware when Shepard was found, rendering the memorial scene ridiculous...unless the Normandy repairs & takeoff were done prior to Shepard's discovery.
1) I really don't imagine Shepard surviving in the rubble for longer than 72 hrs, so that would mean the Normandy would have to have left the planet within a span of 3 days.  But the damage to the Normandy looked to be pretty extensive and I would imagine it would take weeks at the least.
2) If they crashed and lifted-off in a matter of days, jumping to conclusions w/o confirmation from the Alliance and holding a memorial ceremony seems VERY premature.  Also very OOC for our crew, who have seen Shepard come back from the dead two years later.
3) Who is making these memorial plaques that they were produced in a matter of hours/days? Do they have them all pre-made in storage "just in case"?  Why would they have Admiral Anderson's (not a crew member). if that were the case?

If the Normandy did not have a working system of communication with the Alliance:
- They would not have information regarding the status of the Citadel wherein Shepard was last seen. Same issue here that I had in #2 above - why would our crew/LI jump to conclusions w/o confirmation?
- The timeline issue regarding how long the Normandy was crashed on the unknown planet isn't a concern here because the discovery of Shepard would not have reached the Normandy crew & hypothetically months could have gone by between the Destroy explosion to the memorial scene.
1) How would our crew even know about Anderson going up into the Citadel w/ Shepard? Why would they assume he was also dead?

Obviously I think the Normandy w/ communication scenario has way more logic issues than the Normandy w/o communication scenario.  It still is rather out of character for our crew to assume anything, let alone our deaths that is in itself an acknowledgement of "giving up" on Shepard...   STILL, better the logical mess we got in this one scene than the complete lack of anything with the original endings.

Just replying to what I have bolded in the quote. Anderson was part of the crew of the first Normandy, true it was for a short time, but he was still part of the crew.