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[silverexile17s]

so, back to topic, why did the ending fail overall?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[Grubas]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Protoss is back to necro a long forgotten thread.

Mods, be so kind, please?

If it was truelly forgotten then you wouldn't be here and if the Mods should come then they should come for the insults that you just released.

excuse me if it jumps suddenly to page1
its hardly to not notice. also what insult? be so kind. show me please.

[nevar00]

I'd agree, that's one of the many problems.  The entire last mission was underwhelming for me: you saw no hide nor hair of that army you just spent all game building up rendering all galaxy war assets vertually useless.  That the ending was just poorly written crap with such a drastic mood-switch, space magic, an out-of-nowhere main villain (no, adding DLC with some more explanations afterwards does not count) also add to it.

I found the entire game to be a disappointment and subpar, and from what I hear the DLC isn't anything amazing enough to draw me back in.  A shame really, but yes the ending is definitely the worst offender, though I'd say the lack of decisions matter was the biggest issue.  And as I said that issue stems throughout the game (I don't even want to talk about the Rachni Queen) but at the very least you could imagine that all those war assets were going to come into use at the end.  You'd see them, fight alongside them, lose some, again depending on how well you've done...

And you know what?  It was confirmed something like that was going to be the ending.  But it was cut due to time constraints.  Yep.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. If they didn't think that the ending needed improvement, they would not have made the EC at all. They would have told us to screw off. The knew they screwed up on the ending. They would not have re-prioritized the entire DLC lineup, and re-hire the entire squad cast if they thought otherwise.
Besides, what makes YOUR statement about it not being true any less opinion?

2.Didn't you just now insult someone yourself (calling them ignorant) when you just said that insults don't work?
And don't you wonder why everyone thinks that of you?

Improvement is solely based on opinion just like what people "love" or "hate".

I didn't insult anyone and ignorance is far from an insult when everyone is ignorant in one way or another.

silverexile17s wrote...

That is the general opinion of you. It's not just Grubas that thinks that way of you.
And bickering like this is going to get the thread locked. 

"The fan cycle cannot be broken...even if the devs try."
That was the thread that you and I closed, because you would not let sleeping dogs lie. Just state an opinion, stop claiming it's fact when you have not given any proof, and stop nit-picking everyone's comments, because it gives the opinion that you are always trying to start something.

The general opinion of me is shaped by the people that reply to me, which means that ignorant people will cause ignorance to appear.  I didn't cause anything while your actions and the actions of others being negative caused the thread to close like how the topic was derailed because you tried to start a measuring contest.

Never said the cycle would end but the pettiness and immaturity would allow for a compromise to be meet with either future DLC or the next installment in the franchise.

silverexile17s wrote...

so, back to topic, why did the ending fail overall?

How is that on topic when insults is part of the topic.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 29 novembre 2012 - 08:35 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. If they didn't think that the ending needed improvement, they would not have made the EC at all. They would have told us to screw off. The knew they screwed up on the ending. They would not have re-prioritized the entire DLC lineup, and re-hire the entire squad cast if they thought otherwise.
Besides, what makes YOUR statement about it not being true any less opinion?

2.Didn't you just now insult someone yourself (calling them ignorant) when you just said that insults don't work?
And don't you wonder why everyone thinks that of you?

Improvement is solely based on opinion just like what people "love" or "hate".

I didn't insult anyone and ignorance is far from an insult when everyone is ignorant in one way or another.

silverexile17s wrote...

That is the general opinion of you. It's not just Grubas that thinks that way of you.
And bickering like this is going to get the thread locked. 

"The fan cycle cannot be broken...even if the devs try."
That was the thread that you and I closed, because you would not let sleeping dogs lie. Just state an opinion, stop claiming it's fact when you have not given any proof, and stop nit-picking everyone's comments, because it gives the opinion that you are always trying to start something.

The general opinion of me is shaped by the people that reply to me, which means that ignorant people will cause ignorance to appear.  I didn't cause anything while your actions and the actions of others being negative caused the thread to close like how the topic was derailed because you tried to start a measuring contest.

Never said the cycle would end but the pettiness and immaturity would allow for a compromise to be meet with either future DLC or the next installment in the franchise.

silverexile17s wrote...

so, back to topic, why did the ending fail overall?

How is that on topic when insults is part of the topic.

1.  Last I checked, accusing someone of apreading ignorance by being ingorant is an insult.

And you do realize that statement you mand would include you in that mix of "everyone is ignorant", right?
If that is true, what makes your statment any more true? What proof do you have that shows the EC wasn't made bacause BioWare knew they screwed up and tried to fix it?

2. Don't you think that it's more then just concidence that just about everyone on the forms has that opinion of you?
And again, calling them all ignorant like that is an insult, which you yourself keep saying is a usless thing to do, even as you use it.
And it takes two to tango. Every time you show up on a thread, you bicker with the people on until it gets locked. And last I checked, you were the one who never answered any of the questions. You were the one who tried making it a mesuring contest with everyone on the page. The fact that you never had anything to back your claims of your opinion being "fact" was conclusive of that.

And  I don't think that DLC or a new game will fix the damage done to the series. The reason the endings failed was that they ended on an overwhelemgly bittersweet note. That will not change apparently, so the series is on a downward sprial, since BioWare doesn't seem to have much of a supportive fan-base anymore.

3....You can read, right?
The name of the thread is "Possible reason why the ending failed."
Insults is NOT part of that topic. I don't want the thread to close, So I tried to encourage more posts that get back to the point of the thread, when you came back.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1.  Last I checked, accusing someone of apreading ignorance by being ingorant is an insult.

And you do realize that statement you mand would include you in that mix of "everyone is ignorant", right?
If that is true, what makes your statment any more true? What proof do you have that shows the EC wasn't made bacause BioWare knew they screwed up and tried to fix it?

Yet you are being ignorance and by doing so you're spreading ignorance.  Maybe you should focus on having a discussion intstead lashing t even when you're losing in a discussion of facts.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Don't you think that it's more then just concidence that just about everyone on the forms has that opinion of you?
And again, calling them all ignorant like that is an insult, which you yourself keep saying is a usless thing to do, even as you use it.
And it takes two to tango. Every time you show up on a thread, you bicker with the people on until it gets locked. And last I checked, you were the one who never answered any of the questions. You were the one who tried making it a mesuring contest with everyone on the page. The fact that you never had anything to back your claims of your opinion being "fact" was conclusive of that.

And  I don't think that DLC or a new game will fix the damage done to the series. The reason the endings failed was that they ended on an overwhelemgly bittersweet note. That will not change apparently, so the series is on a downward sprial, since BioWare doesn't seem to have much of a supportive fan-base anymore.

This is a surprising accusation since neither I nor you have come into contact with everyone on BSN.  Again maybe you should focus on the topic rather then insults.

silverexile17s wrote...

3....You can read, right?
The name of the thread is "Possible reason why the ending failed."
Insults is NOT part of that topic. I don't want the thread to close, So I tried to encourage more posts that get back to the point of the thread, when you came back.

In reality that can be taken as an insult based on how everyone has an opinion.

[Peranor]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Protoss is back to necro a long forgotten thread.

Mods, be so kind, please?

If it was truelly forgotten then you wouldn't be here and if the Mods should come then they should come for the insults that you just released.

People had forgotten it but noticed it again because you bumped it to the first page you numbnuts.

[Changonauta]

this thing again, please stop whinning

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1.  Last I checked, accusing someone of apreading ignorance by being ingorant is an insult.

And you do realize that statement you mand would include you in that mix of "everyone is ignorant", right?
If that is true, what makes your statment any more true? What proof do you have that shows the EC wasn't made bacause BioWare knew they screwed up and tried to fix it?

Yet you are being ignorance and by doing so you're spreading ignorance.  Maybe you should focus on having a discussion intstead lashing t even when you're losing in a discussion of facts.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Don't you think that it's more then just concidence that just about everyone on the forms has that opinion of you?
And again, calling them all ignorant like that is an insult, which you yourself keep saying is a usless thing to do, even as you use it.
And it takes two to tango. Every time you show up on a thread, you bicker with the people on until it gets locked. And last I checked, you were the one who never answered any of the questions. You were the one who tried making it a mesuring contest with everyone on the page. The fact that you never had anything to back your claims of your opinion being "fact" was conclusive of that.

And  I don't think that DLC or a new game will fix the damage done to the series. The reason the endings failed was that they ended on an overwhelemgly bittersweet note. That will not change apparently, so the series is on a downward sprial, since BioWare doesn't seem to have much of a supportive fan-base anymore.

This is a surprising accusation since neither I nor you have come into contact with everyone on BSN.  Again maybe you should focus on the topic rather then insults.

silverexile17s wrote...

3....You can read, right?
The name of the thread is "Possible reason why the ending failed."
Insults is NOT part of that topic. I don't want the thread to close, So I tried to encourage more posts that get back to the point of the thread, when you came back.

In reality that can be taken as an insult based on how everyone has an opinion.

1. See? That right there was an insult. I never accused you of being ignorant or spreading it. I said that you accuse other people of being ignorant and spreading ignorance, and that is being insulting. I never called you ignorant. You were the one that said that "everyone is ignorant in one way or another". Not me.
I said that you insult people by calling them ignorant.
And again, every time I asked you to present something that proved that your opinions were fact, you clammed up.
If this is a dicisussion of fact, then post your source. Show us what makes your word such "fact," when you say that even Dictonaries and Wikis (the modern sources of information) are subjective sources of information and not accurate.

2. Can you show me anyone that fully agreed with your views, or a thread in which people didn't cringe at your arrival?
From what I've seen, everyone dread's your arrival on a thread. Don't you find that odd on that's how everyone reacts to you?

3. But when I tried to get the thread back on topic by asking why the ending failed, you came in and said that that nothing to do with the diciussion on insults. Even though this thread has nothing to do with the diciussion of insults.
See where I'm comming from?

[silverexile17s]

So, AGAIN, back to topic.
The main reason I think the ending failed was because all the options were overwhelmingly bittersweet. I mean, yes, we kinda expected a phyric victory with the odds we were going up against, but not something that was SO bittersweet that it killed any desire to replay. I mean, there was no reprieve from the mechelony. There was no real bright spot to Shepard's story.

Agree? Disagree?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:21 .

[BigTuna82]

silverexile17s wrote...

So, AGAIN, back to topic.
The main reason I think the ending failed was because all the options were overwhelmingly bittersweet. I mean, yes, we kinda expected a phyric victory with the odds we were going up against, but not something that was SO bittersweet that it killed any desire to replay. I mean, there was no reprieve from the mechelony. There was no real bright spot to Shepard's story.

Agree? Disagree?

Yeah that's about what I didn't like.  Too much of a downer, the entire game overall.  Omega too.  There should be choices to let everyone live.

Didn't belong at the end of the supposed trilogy (there'll be more Shepard eventually).  More of a middle, "Empire Strikes Back" type of feel in this game.

[Wintermist]

I wish people would start using "I think" more often.

"Possible reasons why I think the ending failed."
"Why I think Omega sucked."

And so on and so on...

It's like me saying "God doesn't exist" when I mean "I think God doesn't exist".

[Wulfram]

Wintermist wrote...

I wish people would start using "I think" more often.

"Possible reasons why I think the ending failed."
"Why I think Omega sucked."

And so on and so on...

It's like me saying "God doesn't exist" when I mean "I think God doesn't exist".

Eh, the ending did fail, that's fairly factual.  It evoked different reactions to what were intended, and left many consumers unsatisfied.

Unless the intention was massive fan revolt and having to put out a DLC to fix it.

Though you could certainly say that it worked for you, or (if you really wanted to) argue that it succeeded artistically.

Modifié par Wulfram, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[StayFrosty05]

As usual Cheez hit the issue perfectly squarely on the head.

[Wintermist]

Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.

Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.

[StayFrosty05]

Wintermist wrote...

Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.

Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.

Sorry...if I wanted depth I have a brilliant and very complete library on Philosophy and Concept parked right beside my XBox....it's the book shelves that provide my little gaming space with privacy.....when I play a game I want entertainment and epicness, I want to be involved, loose myself in it and have a whole lot of fun, I want the 'F*CK YEAH!'....Personally I didn't find much depth really in the ME3 ending anyway....The ME series had established a line up of 'F*CK YEAH's' to enjoy and had come to be expected as a defining element of the game...the ME3 ending was completely left field...if I wanted those sorts of games, I would buy them, I don't.

[Wintermist]

Yeah, it does. 

Modifié par Wintermist, 01 décembre 2012 - 03:04 .

[silverexile17s]

I just think that if there had been more ending options that complemented these, like an ending that involves killing the star-child (overload the Crucible into the Citadel and fry him or something). The Catalyst is supposed to be the avatar of the Reaper's entire collective concnesses. If he dies, all the Reapers would probably end up like Sovergien did when his Saren-Husk avatar died. Then the ships plow through them.
At least one or two options like that. Give a choice on weather of not this is good enough for the galaxy. Adding more variations to the endings, or more choices to complement and accent the differences would have gone a long way to making the endings good.
Because in reality, I think that the problem is, there aren't more to choose from. If these had been part of a branching set of endings, with these as two of the options, then they would not be that bad. The problem is that bittersweet and even more bittersweet are the only choices.

Too much of that kills the desire to replay, or continue with the mythos.

[silverexile17s]

Wintermist wrote...

Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.

Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.

I disagree entirely. And according to general opinions, so do most fans. ME2's ending is widely considered levels more satisfying then any of ME3's A kick-ass boss fight, and your choices regarding your crew and the preperations you took actually matter in the endgame.
Obiously, you are in the minority, since many fans were decrying the game for not having a boss fight with Harbinger on Priority: Earth, and he is much bigger then that Human-reaper Larva. Imagne that - Shepard on the ground against the 2 1/2 kilomiter long Original Reaper.  THAT'S what people wanted. They LIKED that boss fight with the Human Proto-Reaper, and wanted MORE like that in ME3.
Besides, how was the mission on Rannoch any different from that? You killed that thing too on foot, dogeing it;s beams while you brought the rain down on it, and it was bigger the th Proto-Reaper.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Wintermist wrote...

Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.

Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.

HAHA, I was thinking the same thing when I started fighting that human reaper. The entire suicide mission was going well, there was so much tension, then boom- giant metroid robot. Not a bad ending though not a great one either. I'm glad they evolved out of the cliche for ME3 and made ending that STILL has people buzzing and speculating and arguing 8 months later.

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:39 .

[silverexile17s]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.

Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.

HAHA, I was thinking the same thing when I started fighting that human reaper. The entire suicide mission was going well, there was so much tension, then boom- giant metroid robot. Not a bad ending though not a great one either. I'm glad they evolved out of the cliche for ME3 and made ending that STILL has people buzzing and speculating and arguing 8 months later.

Then what do you call that Reaper segment on Rannoch? Also, the fans don's seem to agree with either of you, based on all the requests to do a Shepard vs Harbinger for Earth.
If anything, it seems like they wanted ALL the Reaper battles to be like that one.

[TK EL_]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

HAHA, I was thinking the same thing when I started fighting that human reaper. The entire suicide mission was going well, there was so much tension, then boom- giant metroid robot. Not a bad ending though not a great one either. I'm glad they evolved out of the cliche for ME3 and made ending that STILL has people buzzing and speculating and arguing 8 months later.

lol at people still trying to equate outrage and mass dissatisfaction with '"buzzing and speculation" 8 months later.